2012 Scoring

[Tim]

As we start making moves, I'm trying to figure out how to properly value players moving forward. We discussed making changes to the scoring to even out the points between pitchers and position players. Is that still in the works or will scoring be the same for next season?

[NCCubFan]

Definitely needs to be addressed, since it may have an impact on what Lincecum is worth. :D

[TruffleShuffle]

i'm sure it's a coincidence that tim is raising this issue like a week after trading for roy halladay.

 

to even things out, just make hitter points worth more. :-)

[shnsajax]

i'm sure it's a coincidence that tim is raising this issue like a week after trading for roy halladay.

 

to even things out, just make hitter points worth more. :-)

 

If anything happens this should be it. I don't think pitching points should be reduced to try to even them out.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah. i will also say that part of the reason i traded halladay was that i knew he'd be an 800 point or so pitcher, and i knew that especially good pitchers - halladay, lincecum, felix hernandez - amass huge points and are hard for top-tier teams in our league to keep. so i figured there was a decent chance of me getting a stud pitcher again this offseason. i wouldn't have made the trade i did if a guy like halladay projected to get "only" 600 points and fewer of those top pitchers would be available after this season.

[Guest]

I'm definitely open to balancing the scales, and we could consider bumping the point cap if necessary to make it work.

 

Pitchers are dominating the hitters, making pitchers way more valuable than hitters. Without looking, how do the weekly points balance out for pitchers/hitters with the amount of hitters to pitchers?

[Guest]

I'm definitely open to balancing the scales, and we could consider bumping the point cap if necessary to make it work.

 

Pitchers are dominating the hitters, making pitchers way more valuable than hitters. Without looking, how do the weekly points balance out for pitchers/hitters with the amount of hitters to pitchers?

 

Brian - this is a little stale, but hitters have outscored pitchers on all but 4 teams. I think the best pitchers far outscore the best hitters, but the average is not that different and reflects the dominance of great pitchers in the game. The pitching scoring was adjusted a few years ago to create a little more difference between good and bad pitchers. If you change the hitting scoring, I would suggest the same strategy - to make the great hitters more valuable but try not to change the average too much. This would be tricky midseason but during the offseason its easy to play with the scoring and see how points totals work out. Its also easy to create a spreadsheet to play with (I think this is what I did and then distributed to all the managers at that time).

[Guest]

Further, the top 60 pitchers are averaging 216 points to 188 for the top 60 hitters.

[Guest]

I think hitters end up having more points because they can't have a negative outing to the extremes that a pitcher can. But, I have no passion one way or another. Just willing to make changes if people think it's needed.

[moochpuppy]

I think hitters end up having more points because they can't have a negative outing to the extremes that a pitcher can. But, I have no passion one way or another. Just willing to make changes if people think it's needed.

 

We're just talking about adjusting hitters points and not pitchers points, correct?

[TruffleShuffle]

Further, the top 60 pitchers are averaging 216 points to 188 for the top 60 hitters.

 

and that pretty accurately reflects mlb right now, with offense down. i don't really have a problem with keeping the scoring format as it is right now.

[Guest]

I think hitters end up having more points because they can't have a negative outing to the extremes that a pitcher can. But, I have no passion one way or another. Just willing to make changes if people think it's needed.

 

We're just talking about adjusting hitters points and not pitchers points, correct?

 

Most likely. Although it's likely that nothing will actually change. While Roy Halladay might be the most valuable player in the league, his current value is way above most of the other players and should it continue to be that way going forward?

[moochpuppy]

I think hitters end up having more points because they can't have a negative outing to the extremes that a pitcher can. But, I have no passion one way or another. Just willing to make changes if people think it's needed.

 

We're just talking about adjusting hitters points and not pitchers points, correct?

 

Most likely. Although it's likely that nothing will actually change. While Roy Halladay might be the most valuable player in the league, his current value is way above most of the other players and should it continue to be that way going forward?

 

Reason I ask is something like this will skew the worth of players as keepers based on a revised scoring system going into a new season.

[abuck1220]

i'm fine w/ leaving it how it is. pitchers are riskier due to the higher potential for injury, so i'm fine with them scoring more. if that makes sense...