week 5

[Guest]

It's disappointing to see someone give up on the season so quickly. What's the point of playing?

 

27 points on the season separated Tim's undefeated team and Bob's 1-3 team. A win by Bob this week and a loss by me would have us in a tie, and I'm the leader in overall points. It just doesn't make any sense to give up this quickly. If anything, make a few trades to strengthen your team a little bit rather than trade the one piece that probably kills any chance at all of competing.

 

As far as the actual trade, Tim definitely won that one. It's not the type of trade I would consider vetoing or anything, but to see it in early May rather than July 31 is not something I'm used to seeing.

 

In other words, one could enjoy the fruits of having Roy Halladay on their team all the way to July 31 before pawning him off on the highest bidder. And there would have been bidders.

 

And pretending for a moment that Bob lucked into some wins while also having some great weeks with Halladay 2 start weeks, he still had a shot at the playoffs, he could have traded to improve his team instead of just dumping. You can't know how the season will unfold this early unless it's truly a bad team, and I just didn't see that. And I'm not sure you can actually call a team with Roy Halladay a bad team ever.

 

Bob's loss.

 

As far as Tim, he's typically got the all star roster every year, but it hasn't done him a lot of good the last several years, so I welcome the challenge once again.

 

ETA: Didn't see that Bob got a first round pick when I originally responded. The trade is more even than I originally thought, but I still wouldn't have made a trade like that in early May. It's not going to be fun managing that team for the rest of the season now.

[Guest]

Did you guys not notice the addition of the first round pick on that trade, as well as two top prospects and a solid exempt pitcher in Matusz?

[abuck1220]

my favorite part is tim getting two prospects back. i mean, you have to make it fair for tim...lol.

 

as far as the 1st round pick...it's basically meaningless. i don't know if you guys have noticed, but tim trades players he's not going to keep for 1st round picks every year...he'll obviously get that pick back by trading halladay this winter.

[abuck1220]

i don't value matusz that much and shelby miller is 20 y/o pitching in A ball.

 

to each his own, but i would never make that trade. not to mention the fact that it's week 5 and bob is what, 1 game out of a playoff spot? i don't really know what his goal is at this point.

[Guest]

i don't value matusz that much and shelby miller is 20 y/o pitching in A ball.

 

to each his own, but i would never make that trade. not to mention the fact that it's week 5 and bob is what, 1 game out of a playoff spot? i don't really know what his goal is at this point.

Well, since you were trying to work a trade with him, it's kind of duplicitous for you to be criticizing making a trade at this point.

 

As for the prospects I got back, Bob would have had to drop them because of roster space anyway, so they just came back to me as filler, essentially. I'll most likely end up dropping them in the future. High ceiling guys, but both have numbers that tell you they're not likely to make it.

 

Miller may be 20 and in A ball, but he's got crazy good stuff and incredible results to match so far. He'll be in AA to end the year.

 

I may get the 1st round pick back, but that doesn't make it meaningless for truffle. He now has two first round picks, a decent exempt pitcher and two of the current top 10-15 prospects in the game.

 

You are full of criticisms - why don't you let us all know what your offer was so that we can judge if yours was "fair"?

[NCCubFan]

Matusz and Miller aren't garbage. Tim valued them enough to trade me Josh Hamilton for them.

[shnsajax]

:D :D

[TruffleShuffle]

to each his own, but i would never make that trade. not to mention the fact that it's week 5 and bob is what, 1 game out of a playoff spot? i don't really know what his goal is at this point.

 

isn't it pretty obvious? make my team better for the future. i didn't see my team as being playoff-caliber and decided to trade my most valuable asset for things that will presumably improve my chances in future years. miller and turner are two of the best pitching prospects in the game and matusz had a whip under 1.20 the second half of last year.

 

as for trading the first round pick for halladay, last offseason i got halladay for travis snider, who sucks. and the first rounder - presumably it will be late first round since tim's team is good - can still yield really good players. the last few picks in the first round last year were ethier, kemp, mccann, nelson cruz, granderson and j. santana. hardly worthless.

[abuck1220]

i don't value matusz that much and shelby miller is 20 y/o pitching in A ball.

 

to each his own, but i would never make that trade. not to mention the fact that it's week 5 and bob is what, 1 game out of a playoff spot? i don't really know what his goal is at this point.

Well, since you were trying to work a trade with him, it's kind of duplicitous for you to be criticizing making a trade at this point.

 

As for the prospects I got back, Bob would have had to drop them because of roster space anyway, so they just came back to me as filler, essentially. I'll most likely end up dropping them in the future. High ceiling guys, but both have numbers that tell you they're not likely to make it.

 

Miller may be 20 and in A ball, but he's got crazy good stuff and incredible results to match so far. He'll be in AA to end the year.

 

I may get the 1st round pick back, but that doesn't make it meaningless for truffle. He now has two first round picks, a decent exempt pitcher and two of the current top 10-15 prospects in the game.

 

You are full of criticisms - why don't you let us all know what your offer was so that we can judge if yours was "fair"?

 

not really any of your business. and he approached me about the trade/made the offer, not the other way around. i never made an offer...he made me an offer, i said yes, he said he'd get back to me, then he traded with you.

[Guest]

i don't value matusz that much and shelby miller is 20 y/o pitching in A ball.

 

to each his own, but i would never make that trade. not to mention the fact that it's week 5 and bob is what, 1 game out of a playoff spot? i don't really know what his goal is at this point.

Well, since you were trying to work a trade with him, it's kind of duplicitous for you to be criticizing making a trade at this point.

 

As for the prospects I got back, Bob would have had to drop them because of roster space anyway, so they just came back to me as filler, essentially. I'll most likely end up dropping them in the future. High ceiling guys, but both have numbers that tell you they're not likely to make it.

 

Miller may be 20 and in A ball, but he's got crazy good stuff and incredible results to match so far. He'll be in AA to end the year.

 

I may get the 1st round pick back, but that doesn't make it meaningless for truffle. He now has two first round picks, a decent exempt pitcher and two of the current top 10-15 prospects in the game.

 

You are full of criticisms - why don't you let us all know what your offer was so that we can judge if yours was "fair"?

 

not really any of your business. and he approached me about the trade/made the offer, not the other way around. i never made an offer...he made me an offer, i said yes, he said he'd get back to me, then he traded with you.

guess you should have made a better offer, then.

[Guest]

BBB, check your PMs.

[shnsajax]

Looking for a frontline bat. All prospects and draftpicks are available.

[NCCubFan]

Now that the deadline for setting rosters for today has passed I can breath a sigh of relief. Chuck will have only 6 starts because he didn't move Dickey, who's starting today, to his active lineup. So unless Davis really stinks up the joint today I have a good chance at another win.

 

If Chuck doesn't check in before tomorrow's games he'll have another illegal roster issue. Longoria is still on his DL even though he's active again in the majors.

[NCCubFan]

Ouch; 7 starts against 6 and it looks like I'm still going to lose (barring a save from League and a big game tonight from Francisco). I needed a bit more from Davis today.

[abuck1220]

i don't value matusz that much and shelby miller is 20 y/o pitching in A ball.

 

to each his own, but i would never make that trade. not to mention the fact that it's week 5 and bob is what, 1 game out of a playoff spot? i don't really know what his goal is at this point.

Well, since you were trying to work a trade with him, it's kind of duplicitous for you to be criticizing making a trade at this point.

 

As for the prospects I got back, Bob would have had to drop them because of roster space anyway, so they just came back to me as filler, essentially. I'll most likely end up dropping them in the future. High ceiling guys, but both have numbers that tell you they're not likely to make it.

 

Miller may be 20 and in A ball, but he's got crazy good stuff and incredible results to match so far. He'll be in AA to end the year.

 

I may get the 1st round pick back, but that doesn't make it meaningless for truffle. He now has two first round picks, a decent exempt pitcher and two of the current top 10-15 prospects in the game.

 

You are full of criticisms - why don't you let us all know what your offer was so that we can judge if yours was "fair"?

 

not really any of your business. and he approached me about the trade/made the offer, not the other way around. i never made an offer...he made me an offer, i said yes, he said he'd get back to me, then he traded with you.

guess you should have made a better offer, then.

 

I DIDN'T MAKE AN OFFER. he did. i said yes. then he traded with you. which he is certainly entitled to do.

 

what was my response to his offer supposed to be? "no, i reject your offer, i will give you more than that."

[NCCubFan]

Nothing like having a 7-6 pitching start advantage, playing an opponent who wasn't managing his team during the week, and still losing. :(

[abuck1220]

chuck hasn't managed his team in weeks.

 

well, i got fucked this week. lost by 11 and got screwed out of a start. young got scratched on saturday, so i moved ogando into my lineup for sunday and then he gets scratched.

[Guest]

Certainly a problem, but not sure how to remedy the situation. Bring in a new manager?

[Guest]

I had one of those weird eligibility things happen with one of my players this week. Matt LaPorta was traded to me in a package deal, and he was an OF on Juan's team. He immediately went to an outfield spot on my team and I never knew he wasn't eligible there. When Carlos Pena was playing horribly early on, I waited and waited and then finally benched him and put LaPorta in his place at 1b. Now that I want to put Pena back in there, I can't put LaPorta back in the OF, which really makes LaPorta a bit worthless to me looking back on that trade. It must be a hiccup on the CBS system to allow someone to play out of position once they've lost eligibility there. I remember someone else having that issue.

 

If someone is interested in Carlos Pena or LaPorta at your 1b position, I'd consider SP, minor league or draft picks only. Suppose I could consider David Ortiz as well in that group, since I can only use two of these guys at one time.

[Guest]

If you have a keeper on your team at a certain position, they can stay there until they're moved to another position or dropped and picked up. It is a flaw of the CBS software.

[NCCubFan]

It must be a hiccup on the CBS system to allow someone to play out of position once they've lost eligibility there. I remember someone else having that issue.

It was Bob that had the issue, with Casey McGehee. He was in the lineup at 2B as a keeper when Bob took over the team based on past eligibility. Bob took him out of the lineup, then tried to put him back in but could only do so at 3B, which is the only position he's supposed to be eligible for this year. That's when he traded him to me for Jake McGee. Completely consistent with what Tim said.

[NCCubFan]

Certainly a problem, but not sure how to remedy the situation. Bring in a new manager?

That's what we did mideason last year when Juan had to drop out of the league for awhile, so there is at least some precedence for that.

 

An immediate issue is that, unless Chuck mysteriously appears and sets his lineup before today's deadline he'll have an illegal roster, with Longoria still on his DL even though he's playing again in the majors. We had the same problem back in the first week of the season when he put Holliday on the DL even though he didn't go on the major league DL. At that time you imply swapped Holliday for Longoria, because Longoria was on the major league DL but not on Chuck's, so we considered that acceptable within the spirit of the rules. Something similar could be done now, since Lyons is on the major league DL but still in Chuck's active lineup. However, it shouldn't be your responsibility to continually manage Chuck's DL (although it could be a short-term fix while searching for a new manager, if we decide to go in that direction).

[Guest]

I texted him to let him know that the league is considering replacing him if he doesn't become more active (and pay). If he texts back I'll let you know what he says.