College Basketball 2011-2012

[SouthSideRyan]

Baghdad Bob on Waveland.

[SouthSideRyan]

Jobe was brought in to get Negedu and you know it. Instead Negedu committed to Tennessee where grad assistant...Drew Adams worked.

[illiniguy]

Kelvin Sampson is a good hire, I know he's learned his lesson and won't do that stuff again.

 

Kelvin just made a few phone calls nothing to see here.

 

You guys never think it's a problem until you are getting penalized. I imagine this will be no different.

[Exile on Waveland]

1. What do you want me to say? Everyone knows about the Perea gifts (evidently prior to the article, regardless, they certainly do now). If there's a violation, he'll have to pay it back and/or be suspended and/or whatnot (see http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/31404/prized-iu-recruit-may-have-received-benefits). If they were a violation, such punishment will be completely deserved. If not, well, then maybe the rules need to be changed. But A-Hope has sent, I believe, 20 basketball players to college and three have/may end up at IU (one was completely worthless, another might be too). I fail to see how that's some conspiracy.

 

2. IU certainly hired Drew Adams, at least in large part, because of his connections. Everyone knew this; what's the story? It's the oldest trick in the recruiting book. It's no longer kosher, but it was at the time. "There's no wrongdoing there. Drew Adams was hired before the NCAA closed that particular recruiting loophole, and working connections with AAU organizations to land recruits is the oldest recruiting angle in the book." (see linked article).

[SouthSideRyan]

There won't be room at the Inn for Peter Jurkin, so it'll be 2.

[CubColtPacer]

Kelvin Sampson is a good hire, I know he's learned his lesson and won't do that stuff again.

 

Kelvin just made a few phone calls nothing to see here.

 

You guys never think it's a problem until you are getting penalized. I imagine this will be no different.

 

I don't think most IU fans said the second statement you said. They argued that phone calls even though it was a second violation didn't deserve postseason bans or huge scholarship reductions. It wasn't deserving of the major punishments and the NCAA agreed with that. What devastated IU had nothing to do with the phone calls or NCAA violations.

[Exile on Waveland]

Kelvin Sampson is a good hire, I know he's learned his lesson and won't do that stuff again.

 

Kelvin just made a few phone calls nothing to see here.

 

You guys never think it's a problem until you are getting penalized. I imagine this will be no different.

 

You're right, I didn't think Sampson would make too many phone calls again. However, the rest of your post is patently false. Most IU fans, including I think all on this board, derided the Sampson hire at the time. Next, IU acted based on allegations, not penalties -- they waited longer than I wanted them to, but they imploded a promising season before any penalties. Finally, that is the only time in the modern era that IU has been penalized at all in basketball -- there is no trend here.

[Exile on Waveland]

There won't be room at the Inn for Peter Jurkin, so it'll be 2.

 

I'm pretty sure you'll be wrong about that. And I hope so, because I hate this clearing space out for better players (which it's obvious happened with Capobianco). But, if you're right, two of 20 certainly is no conspiracy.

[Exile on Waveland]

Kelvin Sampson is a good hire, I know he's learned his lesson and won't do that stuff again.

 

Kelvin just made a few phone calls nothing to see here.

 

You guys never think it's a problem until you are getting penalized. I imagine this will be no different.

 

I don't think most IU fans said the second statement you said. They argued that phone calls even though it was a second violation didn't deserve postseason bans or huge scholarship reductions. It wasn't deserving of the major punishments and the NCAA agreed with that. What devastated IU had nothing to do with the phone calls or NCAA violations.

 

Most IU fans said none of the statements illinguy ever attributes to them. He's a demagogue.

[illiniguy]

Kelvin Sampson is a good hire, I know he's learned his lesson and won't do that stuff again.

 

Kelvin just made a few phone calls nothing to see here.

 

You guys never think it's a problem until you are getting penalized. I imagine this will be no different.

 

You're right, I didn't think Sampson would make too many phone calls again. However, the rest of your post is patently false. Most IU fans, including I think all on this board, derided the Sampson hire at the time. Next, IU acted based on allegations, not penalties -- they waited longer than I wanted them to, but they imploded a promising season before any penalties. Finally, that is the only time in the modern era that IU has been penalized at all in basketball -- there is no trend here.

A lot of IU fans were ok with Sampson even after the phone calls came out. Too say otherwise is either being foolish or lying.

[SouthSideRyan]

Ther was a Kel-vin Sam-pson *clap--------* chant at the fake Assembly Hall after the violations were revealed and IU dragged its feet determining if the season was a bust or not.

[illiniguy]

Ther was a Kel-vin Sam-pson *clap--------* chant at the fake Assembly Hall after the violations were revealed and IU dragged its feet determining if the season was a bust or not.

That didn't happen you are being a demagogue.

[Exile on Waveland]

Kelvin Sampson is a good hire, I know he's learned his lesson and won't do that stuff again.

 

Kelvin just made a few phone calls nothing to see here.

 

You guys never think it's a problem until you are getting penalized. I imagine this will be no different.

 

You're right, I didn't think Sampson would make too many phone calls again. However, the rest of your post is patently false. Most IU fans, including I think all on this board, derided the Sampson hire at the time. Next, IU acted based on allegations, not penalties -- they waited longer than I wanted them to, but they imploded a promising season before any penalties. Finally, that is the only time in the modern era that IU has been penalized at all in basketball -- there is no trend here.

A lot of IU fans were ok with Sampson even after the phone calls came out. Too say otherwise is either being foolish or lying.

 

IU has a huge fan base, a lot of which are morons. Some were OK with the phone calls (a few still are, unbelievably); some wanted to keep him through the end the season; some wanted him gone immediately. But the vast, vast majority of fans supported Sampson's removal during the season, which imploded a promising season. I find that reaction far more telling than anything else.

[Exile on Waveland]

Ther was a Kel-vin Sam-pson *clap--------* chant at the fake Assembly Hall after the violations were revealed and IU dragged its feet determining if the season was a bust or not.

 

1. The chants were despicable, but I can assure you many, many fans in attendance were trying to shut those chants up.

 

2. I would have fired Sampson immediately, but a lot of the "foot dragging" was IU trying to avoid paying Sampson a huge contract settlement.

 

3. I've never once claimed IU acted perfectly, in fact, you'll find an old rant from me on this board about how IU's administration was reacting exceedling poorly.

 

4. The Sampson thing is done and dusted and IU has won 28 games over three years because of it. IU has a new administration across the board. I'm not sure how this is relevant to the ESPN article.

Edited May 26, 2011 by Exile on Waveland

[SouthSideRyan]

That's understood, but you can't say Most IU fans didn't say this stuff, when their actual arena was chanting his name. Obviously the people on internet boards trend towards the higher intelligence, but I'm willing to be most IU fans were ok with just a few phone calls.

[illiniguy]

All I am saying is the place hired Sampson when everyone knew he was a cheater. Now after having 3 straight awful season, it wouldn't suprise me at all if they would decide to take shortcuts to be good. Again.

 

Edit: Didn't realize you turned over your entire department.

[Exile on Waveland]

That's understood, but you can't say Most IU fans didn't say this stuff, when their actual arena was chanting his name. Obviously the people on internet boards trend towards the higher intelligence, but I'm willing to be most IU fans were ok with just a few phone calls.

 

Most of that is fair. IU certainly had fans that accepted the phone calls (the ones made at IU, I knew of no fan that accepted Sampson's record/hire, but the fans did rally around him once hired). I'm not sure it was "most fans" but that's unprovable. The phone calls themselves were never the main issue anyway; it was Sampson's recidivism and blatant disregard for rules. Further, I think a big issue at the games is that 48% of the fans in attendance are students (I was a student, again, at the time), who are often drunk and many simply did not want their senior season ruined (which firing Sampson was likely to do, and did). Edit: I also probably tend to remember the internet discussion and discussions with friends more than with the morons -- mainly because I try not to discuss things with morons -- so that failing may be mine.

Edited May 26, 2011 by Exile on Waveland

[Exile on Waveland]

All I am saying is the place hired Sampson when everyone knew he was a cheater. Now after having 3 straight awful season, it wouldn't suprise me at all if they would decide to take shortcuts to be good. Again.

 

Edit: Didn't realize you turned over your entire department.

 

This is why you're a demagogue when it comes to IU. IU has had one instance of rules violations in the modern era. ONE. Even then, it was a minor violation (the NCAA agreed with this) involving phone calls. You spin this as if IU has some long history of rules violations when, in fact, the opposite is actually true.

 

I wish every day that IU could go back and not hire Sampson (I wished it the day of the hire too). But we're not talking about some SEC school that has a long history of rules violation. We're talking about a school that generally prided itself on doing things the right way, made one gigantic mistake, and paid its penance. IU reverted to form when it drained the swamp, not when it filled it.

[illiniguy]

All I am saying is the place hired Sampson when everyone knew he was a cheater. Now after having 3 straight awful season, it wouldn't suprise me at all if they would decide to take shortcuts to be good. Again.

 

Edit: Didn't realize you turned over your entire department.

 

This is why you're a demagogue when it comes to IU. IU has had one instance of rules violations in the modern era. ONE. Even then, it was a minor violation (the NCAA agreed with this) involving phone calls. You spin this as if IU has some long history of rules violations when, in fact, the opposite is actually true.

 

I wish every day that IU could go back and not hire Sampson (I wished it the day of the hire too). But we're not talking about some SEC school that has a long history of rules violation. We're talking about a school that generally prided itself on doing things the right way, made one gigantic mistake, and paid its penance. IU reverted to form when it drained the swamp, not when it filled it.

You also were very good for a long time. As soon as that went away you hired a cheater and looked the other way. You still aren't very good, so you can probably see why many of us think you wouldn't be above cheating again to become very good.

[Exile on Waveland]

All I am saying is the place hired Sampson when everyone knew he was a cheater. Now after having 3 straight awful season, it wouldn't suprise me at all if they would decide to take shortcuts to be good. Again.

 

Edit: Didn't realize you turned over your entire department.

 

This is why you're a demagogue when it comes to IU. IU has had one instance of rules violations in the modern era. ONE. Even then, it was a minor violation (the NCAA agreed with this) involving phone calls. You spin this as if IU has some long history of rules violations when, in fact, the opposite is actually true.

 

I wish every day that IU could go back and not hire Sampson (I wished it the day of the hire too). But we're not talking about some SEC school that has a long history of rules violation. We're talking about a school that generally prided itself on doing things the right way, made one gigantic mistake, and paid its penance. IU reverted to form when it drained the swamp, not when it filled it.

You also were very good for a long time. As soon as that went away you hired a cheater and looked the other way. You still aren't very good, so you can probably see why many of us think you wouldn't be above cheating again to become very good.

 

Unfortunately, being good went away after 1994. Sampson was not hired until 2006.

[illiniguy]

All I am saying is the place hired Sampson when everyone knew he was a cheater. Now after having 3 straight awful season, it wouldn't suprise me at all if they would decide to take shortcuts to be good. Again.

 

Edit: Didn't realize you turned over your entire department.

 

This is why you're a demagogue when it comes to IU. IU has had one instance of rules violations in the modern era. ONE. Even then, it was a minor violation (the NCAA agreed with this) involving phone calls. You spin this as if IU has some long history of rules violations when, in fact, the opposite is actually true.

 

I wish every day that IU could go back and not hire Sampson (I wished it the day of the hire too). But we're not talking about some SEC school that has a long history of rules violation. We're talking about a school that generally prided itself on doing things the right way, made one gigantic mistake, and paid its penance. IU reverted to form when it drained the swamp, not when it filled it.

You also were very good for a long time. As soon as that went away you hired a cheater and looked the other way. You still aren't very good, so you can probably see why many of us think you wouldn't be above cheating again to become very good.

 

Unfortunately, being good went away after 1994. Sampson was not hired until 2006.

You had decent teams after that, but yeah not elite good.

[Exile on Waveland]

Following the 1994 season, IU has more losing seasons (4) than Sweet Sixteens (1 - though that was a runner-up team). This has been by far the worst stretch, but the cause was cheating. I find it hard to believe IU thinks the elixir is the same as the poison. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe I'm naive; I didn't think Sampson would be dumb enough to commit the same offense again. But that article was a lot of nothing.

[illiniguy]

Following the 1994 season, IU has more losing seasons (4) than Sweet Sixteens (1 - though that was a runner-up team). This has been by far the worst stretch, but the cause was cheating. I find it hard to believe IU thinks the elixir is the same as the poison. Maybe I'm wrong; maybe I'm naive; I didn't think Sampson would be dumb enough to commit the same offense again. But that article was a lot of nothing.

I'm sure they see what's going on with the other bluebloods right now and have to wonder why they got in trouble.

[Exile on Waveland]

Oh that feeling definitely pervades some of the fan base. I believe IU acted correctly, eventually, in ridding itself of all ties to Sampson. However, that doesn't mean it's not difficult to see other schools endure less hardship for seemingly worse wrongs. But to me, that's actually a sign of righteousness. IU took medicine that even you seem to think they might not have had to take. If that's not a showing of good faith, I'm not sure what is.

[Magnetic Curses]

adams rescued a crack baby and made him fight other crack babies for crack