NFL Week 6

[hawkeyecub]

I don't buy that the Vikings have the best chance to win the division. Their secondary is awful and their D-Line has been very underwhelming. Their QB situation is a serious problem. But the GB-MIN game will pretty much decide whether or not this becomes a 3-horse race.

 

The secondary has been solid. Especially when you consider the injuries. Chris Cook should be back this week which means no more Lito which is a good thing. The Griffin injury was huge though. The d-line hasn't gotten the consistent pressure but I've got to hope that will turn around. They're too good not to. I also don't buy the upcoming Packers game deciding that much. Not with these teams.

 

I think the point others are making is that the Vikings have the most potential. It all depends on Favre. The passing game has been by far the biggest weakness. Moss should continue to get more acclimated and be able to play more snaps. Sidney will hopefully be back for the last 8 games which gives you a receiving group as good as any in the league with the best back in the league. Favre just has to get better.

[hawkeyecub]

I was just thinking about how, based on the Vikings start to the season, they are due for a decent run of easy games to get back into the mix. I don't see it.

 

The schedule does get easier than what they've had to start the year, but damn..

 

@ GB, @ NE, Ari, @ Chi, GB, @ Was, Buf, NYG, Chi, @ Phi, @ Det. There aren't a ton of "locks" left in that schedule.

 

This is what I've been saying, it's brutal. Arizona and Buffalo at home should be locks. Winning out at home is the key.

 

That wasn't a well played game overall yesterday but it was as much fun as I've ever had at an NFL game. First time ever with box and club seats. The pre-game stuff with Randy was awesome so were Percy's return and E.J's picks. Other than that it was just really, really loud and a close game. I forget about how many Cowboys and Steelers fans there are at road games until I attend one.

[JonJayCutler]

Gotta win games even if it's not his fault when they lose.

 

Senseless.

 

It makes perfect sense, my point being that Rodgers needs to take it to the next level. While he is not doing anything to lose those games, he's not really doing anything to win them either. The elite QBs find a way to go above and beyond. And yes, while I don't necessarily agree that wins/super bowls should determine the legacy of a QB, the fact remains that they do.

[Careless]

I didn't watch the Young injury. how bad did it look?

[NonProfitCow]

Gotta win games even if it's not his fault when they lose.

 

Senseless.

 

It makes perfect sense, my point being that Rodgers needs to take it to the next level. While he is not doing anything to lose those games, he's not really doing anything to win them either. The elite QBs find a way to go above and beyond.

Still senseless

[JimSorgi]

Oh God, Aaron Rodgers is going to get the same moronic complaints Peyton got before his Super Bowl. Expectations for great QBs are insane.

[Guest]

Verner!

 

Damn, I thought that was a pick-6.

[ELCABALLO45]

The only real problem I have with Rodgers is how bad he panics when he gets pressured. (Which somewhat is understandable with how many times he gets hit). But every once in awhile he will hold the ball way to long or literally dance his way into sack. But I do love the guy. Only current Packer jersey I own.

 

Onto the Division talk. I can see why everyone would be taking the Vikings if they beat us this Sunday and I would agree. The Vikings secondary has actually been pretty solid this year. Chris Cook a rookie they drafted will return and probably jump right into the starter spot and move Asher Allen to the nickle, but more importantly move Sheppard off the field who has been terrible this year. I still question the safety play but if their front 4 can wake up (aka Jared Allen) I really would feel good if I were a Viking fan.

 

Favre has really really struggled this year and as you guys mentioned is a big reason why they are struggling. That and the fact the O-Line has given him zero time to throw the ball. It amazes me that 3 teams in the same division all have terrible lines and can't protect the QB.

[dew1679666265]

I didn't watch the Young injury. how bad did it look?

 

The report I heard after halftime was that it was a sprained knee and that he could return if necessary, but since Kerry was playing well they'd hold him out and not risk injury.

 

Doesn't sound too bad.

[ELCABALLO45]

Take Chris Johnson out please. (Playing him in fantasy)

[dew1679666265]

Gotta win games even if it's not his fault when they lose.

 

Senseless.

 

It makes perfect sense, my point being that Rodgers needs to take it to the next level. While he is not doing anything to lose those games, he's not really doing anything to win them either. The elite QBs find a way to go above and beyond. And yes, while I don't necessarily agree that wins/super bowls should determine the legacy of a QB, the fact remains that they do.

 

Here's the problem with this logic: in 9 of those 11 losses, Rodgers did everything he should have needed to do. In nine games, the Packers lost because of either a missed field goal or the defense allowing a touchdown drive to end the game.

 

You could argue that Rodgers should have driven them for a touchdown on the drives that Crosby missed a field goal to lose it, but how did Vinatieri gain the reputation of being a clutch kicker? By Brady, whose level you said Rodgers isn't at, setting him up for a field goal and not scoring a touchdown.

 

You can't put a loss on one player in a team game, just like you can't give any single player all or most of the credit for his team winning games.

[Careless]

wow, do their fans clear out quickly or early

[dew1679666265]

Take Chris Johnson out please. (Playing him in fantasy)

 

I agree - but not for the reason you have. This is the ideal time to preserve CJ and give Ringer carries.

[dew1679666265]

wow, do their fans clear out quickly or early

 

Both.

[ELCABALLO45]

Take Chris Johnson out please. (Playing him in fantasy)

 

I agree - but not for the reason you have. This is the ideal time to preserve CJ and give Ringer carries.

 

:banghead:

[dew1679666265]

Take Chris Johnson out please. (Playing him in fantasy)

 

I agree - but not for the reason you have. This is the ideal time to preserve CJ and give Ringer carries.

 

:banghead:

 

It was garbage time, but it was beautiful. :D

[bukie]

Take Chris Johnson out please. (Playing him in fantasy)

 

I agree - but not for the reason you have. This is the ideal time to preserve CJ and give Ringer carries.

 

:banghead:

 

It was garbage time, but it was beautiful. :D

And just like that, my team goes from the lowest scoring in the league to the highest scoring (i.e. it was a really tight week).

[ELCABALLO45]

Take Chris Johnson out please. (Playing him in fantasy)

 

I agree - but not for the reason you have. This is the ideal time to preserve CJ and give Ringer carries.

 

:banghead:

 

It was garbage time, but it was beautiful. :D

And just like that, my team goes from the lowest scoring in the league to the highest scoring (i.e. it was a really tight week).

 

Haha sucks to be the guy you lost to. That TD had to of cost a lot of teams a win. God bless fantasy football.

[dew1679666265]

This was a really encouraging win. After what was a really tough loss to an inferior team at home against Denver, we've come back with wins over Dallas and, convincingly, over Jacksonville - both on the road. Neither of those two teams are in the upper echelon of the league this year (so far for Dallas, at least), but it's still two tough teams that I expected us to struggle with.

 

4-2 is really nice considering both the Colts and Texans won this weekend. We keep pace with them and knock one division road game off the schedule. Also, this is the type of game I'm glad we have Kerry Collins around for. I don't feel comfortable with him getting extended playing time, but coming in for a series, game or couple of games is perfectly fine and he's one of the better players for this offense in those situations.

[dew1679666265]

Haha sucks to be the guy you lost to. That TD had to of cost a lot of teams a win. God bless fantasy football.

 

Millions screamed in agony as CJ danced into the end zone. I'm very glad during weeks I don't face a team with CJ on it. I hate not fully enjoying those types of runs.

[JonJayCutler]

Here's the problem with this logic: in 9 of those 11 losses, Rodgers did everything he should have needed to do. In nine games, the Packers lost because of either a missed field goal or the defense allowing a touchdown drive to end the game.

 

You could argue that Rodgers should have driven them for a touchdown on the drives that Crosby missed a field goal to lose it, but how did Vinatieri gain the reputation of being a clutch kicker? By Brady, whose level you said Rodgers isn't at, setting him up for a field goal and not scoring a touchdown.

 

You can't put a loss on one player in a team game, just like you can't give any single player all or most of the credit for his team winning games.

 

We're getting way too technical here. I am not trying to knock Rodgers, because the guy is a great QB. I'm simply stating that at some point the guy has to take it upon himself to win games if he's going to be among the elite. You can't always rely on a FG kicker or defense to win you a game; sometimes you just have to put the ball in the endzone yourself. By blaming teammates for losing games, you could argue that with a better O-Line and WRs, Cutler could be an elite QB, but no one considers him even close to that. You have to find a way to win and pickup your teammates, and Rodgers has had chances to do that.

[bukie]

Here's the problem with this logic: in 9 of those 11 losses, Rodgers did everything he should have needed to do. In nine games, the Packers lost because of either a missed field goal or the defense allowing a touchdown drive to end the game.

 

You could argue that Rodgers should have driven them for a touchdown on the drives that Crosby missed a field goal to lose it, but how did Vinatieri gain the reputation of being a clutch kicker? By Brady, whose level you said Rodgers isn't at, setting him up for a field goal and not scoring a touchdown.

 

You can't put a loss on one player in a team game, just like you can't give any single player all or most of the credit for his team winning games.

 

We're getting way too technical here. I am not trying to knock Rodgers, because the guy is a great QB. I'm simply stating that at some point the guy has to take it upon himself to win games if he's going to be among the elite. You can't always rely on a FG kicker or defense to win you a game; sometimes you just have to put the ball in the endzone yourself. By blaming teammates for losing games, you could argue that with a better O-Line and WRs, Cutler could be an elite QB, but no one considers him even close to that. You have to find a way to win and pickup your teammates, and Rodgers has had chances to do that.

An individual does not win a game in a team sport. Football, especially, is one of the most team-dependent sports in existence when it comes to wins. Nobody puts the ball in the end zone themselves. It's not technical, it's just not considering a team sport appropriately when we assign wins to a player.

[JonJayCutler]

Here's the problem with this logic: in 9 of those 11 losses, Rodgers did everything he should have needed to do. In nine games, the Packers lost because of either a missed field goal or the defense allowing a touchdown drive to end the game.

 

You could argue that Rodgers should have driven them for a touchdown on the drives that Crosby missed a field goal to lose it, but how did Vinatieri gain the reputation of being a clutch kicker? By Brady, whose level you said Rodgers isn't at, setting him up for a field goal and not scoring a touchdown.

 

You can't put a loss on one player in a team game, just like you can't give any single player all or most of the credit for his team winning games.

 

We're getting way too technical here. I am not trying to knock Rodgers, because the guy is a great QB. I'm simply stating that at some point the guy has to take it upon himself to win games if he's going to be among the elite. You can't always rely on a FG kicker or defense to win you a game; sometimes you just have to put the ball in the endzone yourself. By blaming teammates for losing games, you could argue that with a better O-Line and WRs, Cutler could be an elite QB, but no one considers him even close to that. You have to find a way to win and pickup your teammates, and Rodgers has had chances to do that.

An individual does not win a game in a team sport. Football, especially, is one of the most team-dependent sports in existence when it comes to wins. Nobody puts the ball in the end zone themselves. It's not technical, it's just not considering a team sport appropriately when we assign wins to a player.

 

No QB literally puts the ball in the endzone themselves, but you can still step up and make a play. If what you said is completely true about the team effort and all the other factors, then there is no point in arguing and no way of TRULY knowing which QBs are elite, right? Anyone who has watched the Packers over the past couple years has seen that Rodgers has lacked a certain "clutch" ability at crucial times in games. He has not been bad in those situations, but far from perfect. For instance, he threw a pretty bad pick to Landry in the Washington game last week. People can't just say Crosby should have won it for him. His kick that hit the upright was far from a gimme FG.

[bukie]

No QB literally puts the ball in the endzone themselves, but you can still step up and make a play. If what you said is completely true about the team effort and all the other factors, then there is no point in arguing and no way of TRULY knowing which QBs are elite, right? Anyone who has watched the Packers over the past couple years has seen that Rodgers has lacked a certain "clutch" ability at crucial times in games. He has not been bad in those situations, but far from perfect. For instance, he threw a pretty bad pick to Landry in the Washington game last week. People can't just say Crosby should have won it for him. His kick that hit the upright was far from a gimme FG.

 

Again, there are plenty of ways to determine elite QBs, and winning should not be one of them. If a QB has to "step up and make a play", why isn't he just playing at that level the entire game? "Clutch" ability is largely random noise, unpredictable and not useful in a discussion on ability. You continue to assume things as fact that are not.

 

And saying Crosby should have won it for "him" again misses the entire point.

[Magnetic Curses]

i agree with clutch assessment, to a degree. when good qb's throw interceptions at inopportune times, they aren't crapping the bed, they're just trying to do too much. favre, for example. they aren't tightening up or choking, they don't have time to choke, on every play they're facing large men trying to rip their heads off.