Zambrano to retire after 2012 season

[Cubbie Swagger]

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/09/16/carlos-zambrano-reiterates-plan-to-retire-after-current-deal-run/

 

I didn't see this anywhere else, sorry if I missed it. First saw it on ESPN a few minutes ago. Certainly very interesting.

 

EDIT: I wasn't aware that he had talked about this before, so I guess it isn't THAT shocking. Especially since he'll prolly pull a Brett Farve and keep making comebacks for a decade.

[erik316wttn]

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/09/16/carlos-zambrano-reiterates-plan-to-retire-after-current-deal-run/

 

I didn't see this anywhere else, sorry if I missed it. First saw it on ESPN a few minutes ago. Certainly very interesting.

 

EDIT: I wasn't aware that he had talked about this before, so I guess it isn't THAT shocking. Especially since he'll prolly pull a Brett Farve and keep making comebacks for a decade.

 

The worst part is that it kills any sort of trade value he might have had. Not that it would have been very high to begin with.

[Tracer Bullet]

why does it kill his trade value?

[Four and Twenty]

So I think, depending on what happens in my career, I think this will be the last contract.

 

There is your conditional.

 

He is posturing and in doing so getting the attention for the last 5-6 starts that he so desperately needs, both professionally and personally. And, truthfully, if he can continue on a pace similar to that of a top 30 pitcher in baseball over the remaining duration of his contract then this sort of posturing is an intelligent tact.

[Sammy Sofa]

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2010/09/16/carlos-zambrano-reiterates-plan-to-retire-after-current-deal-run/

 

I didn't see this anywhere else, sorry if I missed it. First saw it on ESPN a few minutes ago. Certainly very interesting.

 

EDIT: I wasn't aware that he had talked about this before, so I guess it isn't THAT shocking. Especially since he'll prolly pull a Brett Farve and keep making comebacks for a decade.

 

The worst part is that it kills any sort of trade value he might have had. Not that it would have been very high to begin with.

 

Why is that the worst part? The Cubs thinking they should trade Zambrano is moronic regardless of what he says. Hey may be overpaid, but he's always shown he can still be a very useful starter, so trading him essentially just out of spite is dumb.

[lumafia]

Zambrano to retire after 2012 season

 

 

:roll:

[Schwarber Fan]

not buying it

[dew1679666265]

why does it kill his trade value?

 

If he appears to be serious about it, then it eliminates any possibility of an acquiring team re-signing him after the contract. Any team trading for him is guaranteed to only have him for two seasons (2011 and 2012).

 

That said, I don't think it kills his trade value since teams probably don't make trades for near-30 pitchers largely on the basis that they will re-sign said pitcher two years later. It could hurt his value to some extent, however.

[Tracer Bullet]

why does it kill his trade value?

 

If he appears to be serious about it, then it eliminates any possibility of an acquiring team re-signing him after the contract. Any team trading for him is guaranteed to only have him for two seasons (2011 and 2012).

 

That said, I don't think it kills his trade value since teams probably don't make trades for near-30 pitchers largely on the basis that they will re-sign said pitcher two years later. It could hurt his value to some extent, however.

 

right. so it doesn't kill his trade value. it might hurt it a little.

[jersey cubs fan]

Putting him in the bullpen kills his trade value. Complaining that he pitched poorly for a year and a half hurts his trade value. Pulling a Hendry and insisting on trading the guy kills his trade value. Him saying this is his last contract and he wants to be with his family doesn't really matter.

 

Besides, he can always sign an extension to this contract and say this was still his last contract.

[dew1679666265]

why does it kill his trade value?

 

If he appears to be serious about it, then it eliminates any possibility of an acquiring team re-signing him after the contract. Any team trading for him is guaranteed to only have him for two seasons (2011 and 2012).

 

That said, I don't think it kills his trade value since teams probably don't make trades for near-30 pitchers largely on the basis that they will re-sign said pitcher two years later. It could hurt his value to some extent, however.

 

right. so it doesn't kill his trade value. it might hurt it a little.

 

Yeah, I explained the reasoning behind why it could kill his trade value, but then I agreed with you.

[dew1679666265]

Putting him in the bullpen kills his trade value. Complaining that he pitched poorly for a year and a half hurts his trade value. Pulling a Hendry and insisting on trading the guy kills his trade value. Him saying this is his last contract and he wants to be with his family doesn't really matter.

 

Besides, he can always sign an extension to this contract and say this was still his last contract.

 

He said he planned on retiring after 2012, though. I could see it potentially hurting his trade value, but I doubt that significantly. He already probably doesn't have much trade value – not enough to warrant dealing him, that's for sure.

[shnsajax]

Putting him in the bullpen kills his trade value. Complaining that he pitched poorly for a year and a half hurts his trade value. Pulling a Hendry and insisting on trading the guy kills his trade value. Him saying this is his last contract and he wants to be with his family doesn't really matter.

 

Besides, he can always sign an extension to this contract and say this was still his last contract.

 

He said he planned on retiring after 2012, though. I could see it potentially hurting his trade value, but I doubt that significantly. He already probably doesn't have much trade value – not enough to warrant dealing him, that's for sure.

 

It really doesn't hurt it at all. Any team trading for him is not looking for any kind of extention, and would play out his contract to see if they even wanted to keep him anyways.

[davell]

I don't see Z getting dealt this offseason, especially after Hendry's latest comments about him. And I'd be shocked if he retires in two years unless an unforseen injury forced him to to do so.

[davell]

Oops, double post.

[jersey cubs fan]

He said all this while his family is in Venezuela dealing with a health scare from his young nephew. I'm not sure how much weight anybody should put into emotional statements about family he makes right now.

[dew1679666265]

It really doesn't hurt it at all. Any team trading for him is not looking for any kind of extention, and would play out his contract to see if they even wanted to keep him anyways.

 

I could see a team considering him a bit more highly with the thought that he'll still be young enough after this contract to sign one more. Now that the next contract is not happening (or may not), that could hurt his trade value. As I've said, though, I doubt a significant amount.

[mlarner]

He said all this while his family is in Venezuela dealing with a health scare from his young nephew. I'm not sure how much weight anybody should put into emotional statements about family he makes right now.

I thought he also made the statement when he originally signed the contract. I do not think this is not the first time he has said this was his last contract (now, whether that makes it "true" or not is an entirely different story).

[Sammy Sofa]

And, of course, you've got Kaplan and Stone on CTL using this as a reason to yet again talk about how the Cubs should trade him no matter what so the team can "move forward."

[SouthSideRyan]

And, of course, you've got Kaplan and Stone on CTL using this as a reason to yet again talk about how the Cubs should trade him no matter what so the team can "move forward."

 

Hopefully the studio was firebombed

[Tracer Bullet]

why does it kill his trade value?

 

If he appears to be serious about it, then it eliminates any possibility of an acquiring team re-signing him after the contract. Any team trading for him is guaranteed to only have him for two seasons (2011 and 2012).

 

That said, I don't think it kills his trade value since teams probably don't make trades for near-30 pitchers largely on the basis that they will re-sign said pitcher two years later. It could hurt his value to some extent, however.

 

right. so it doesn't kill his trade value. it might hurt it a little.

 

Yeah, I explained the reasoning behind why it could kill his trade value, but then I agreed with you.

 

my first post wasn't directed at you, it was directed at erik who suggested that this "kills" his trade value. you explained why he could hurt his trade value a little, which I, and pretty much everyone, understands. A team looking to acquire him is always only guaranteed the rest of his contract term. And nothing he's said changes that to a guarantee of only his current contract. People say a lot of things. And while it's the case sometimes that teams trading for a player will condition the trade on an extension, that's not likely the case with pitchers that are 30+ and good, but not great.

 

This in no way "kills" his trade value.

[TruffleShuffle]

dave kaplan is a completely worthless human being.

[jersey cubs fan]

Bruce Miles called Kaplan out on his excessive criticisms

[CubColtPacer]

Bruce Miles called Kaplan out on his excessive criticisms

 

There's also an interesting comment on the Soriano contract in there:

 

This will go down as one of the most egregious signings in all of sports. General manager Jim Hendry is culpable, as are his then-Tribune Co. bosses, who added two years to what Hendry offered Soriano, just because they could.

[TruffleShuffle]

guys if you are going to discuss dave kaplan please credit @thekapman.