Brett Jackson to Cubs by Sept. 1?

[Rob]

 

I stand corrected if Im really in the minority with this. When I was that young my brain didn't comprehend stats beyond wins, losses homeruns, rbi's and averages

 

You're not, you're just the one being honest.

 

This is extremely offensive. Just because you didn't understand basic math at a young age doesn't mean nobody did.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

I stand corrected if Im really in the minority with this. When I was that young my brain didn't comprehend stats beyond wins, losses homeruns, rbi's and averages

 

You're not, you're just the one being honest.

 

This is extremely offensive. Just because you didn't understand basic math at a young age doesn't mean nobody did.

 

 

Except nobody was looking at baseball cards and subtracting AVG from SLG to determine which players were powerful hitters.

[nick23]

 

 

 

Yeah, but 12 year olds all over the country figure this stat out on their own... looking at baseball cards or the stadium displays. It's a basic, basic stat to show power.

 

 

You know some pretty smart 12 year olds who are talking about ISoP

 

I can distinctly remember sitting in my attic with cards laid out and and subtracting AVG from SLG. The best of these would be my "Sluggers" when arranging my cards into batting orders. I had no idea it had a name, it just seemed like something worth doing.

 

I'd also subtract AVG from OBP to "see who walked alot" amongst those with decent averages. EDIT: This may have been later.

 

Thinking back, I imagine lots of kids did very similar things.

 

Why were you sitting in the attic ?

I thought you were supposed to sit in the basement when figuring out these types of stats? I call BS by the way on this. Unless you were up in the attic doing this within the last few months.

[CUBZ99]

 

I stand corrected if Im really in the minority with this. When I was that young my brain didn't comprehend stats beyond wins, losses homeruns, rbi's and averages

 

You're not, you're just the one being honest.

 

This is extremely offensive. Just because you didn't understand basic math at a young age doesn't mean nobody did.

 

Basic math is one thing, but I think most kids are happy with the stats that were provided on the back of the baseball card and had better things to do than figure out other statistics.

[Rob]

 

I stand corrected if Im really in the minority with this. When I was that young my brain didn't comprehend stats beyond wins, losses homeruns, rbi's and averages

 

You're not, you're just the one being honest.

 

This is extremely offensive. Just because you didn't understand basic math at a young age doesn't mean nobody did.

 

 

Except nobody was looking at baseball cards and subtracting AVG from SLG to determine which players were powerful hitters.

 

You mean to tell me you find it outside the realm of possibility that a young kid who likes math... a kid who is calculating his own BA and OBP and Slugging from little league games... didn't notice that guys with a bunch of home runs had a slugging percentage about .200-.250 points higher than their batting average and guys who didn't hit home runs had a much lower difference? That the very idea a kid might notice such a thing is so unrealistic that you can determine that nobody did that?

 

Nah. You guys can't say that. You're just being jerks to be jerks.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

This is extremely offensive. Just because you didn't understand basic math at a young age doesn't mean nobody did.

Um, OK. I understood basic math at a young age, but I didn't spend time doing this.

[Rob]

This is extremely offensive. Just because you didn't understand basic math at a young age doesn't mean nobody did.

Um, OK. I understood basic math at a young age, but I didn't spend time doing this.

 

Never said I spent time doing it. Never said I used it to identify power hitters.

 

I said kids figure it out. And let's be honest, it's really, really hard not to notice the correlation.

[lumafia]

 

I stand corrected if Im really in the minority with this. When I was that young my brain didn't comprehend stats beyond wins, losses homeruns, rbi's and averages

 

You're not, you're just the one being honest.

 

This is extremely offensive. Just because you didn't understand basic math at a young age doesn't mean nobody did.

 

 

Except nobody was looking at baseball cards and subtracting AVG from SLG to determine which players were powerful hitters.

 

You mean to tell me you find it outside the realm of possibility that a young kid who likes math... a kid who is calculating his own BA and OBP and Slugging from little league games... didn't notice that guys with a bunch of home runs had a slugging percentage about .200-.250 points higher than their batting average and guys who didn't hit home runs had a much lower difference? That the very idea a kid might notice such a thing is so unrealistic that you can determine that nobody did that?

 

Nah. You guys can't say that. You're just being jerks to be jerks.

 

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility, but neither is time travel. And just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's probable. You may have done such things as a kid, but that is certainly unusual. When I was a kid, I didn't even care what my batting average was. I don't recall batting average being brought up prior to being 14 or 15 years old.

[nick23]

 

I stand corrected if Im really in the minority with this. When I was that young my brain didn't comprehend stats beyond wins, losses homeruns, rbi's and averages

 

You're not, you're just the one being honest.

 

This is extremely offensive. Just because you didn't understand basic math at a young age doesn't mean nobody did.

 

 

Except nobody was looking at baseball cards and subtracting AVG from SLG to determine which players were powerful hitters.

 

You mean to tell me you find it outside the realm of possibility that a young kid who likes math... a kid who is calculating his own BA and OBP and Slugging from little league games... didn't notice that guys with a bunch of home runs had a slugging percentage about .200-.250 points higher than their batting average and guys who didn't hit home runs had a much lower difference? That the very idea a kid might notice such a thing is so unrealistic that you can determine that nobody did that?

 

Nah. You guys can't say that. You're just being jerks to be jerks.

That's actually exactly what I'm saying. Kids looked at HR's and rbi to determine power hitters. Some kids my have even looked at slugging %. No kids were subtracting avg from slugging to determine which high slugging % hitters had their slugging affected by singles.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility, but neither is time travel. And just because something is possible, doesn't mean it's probable. You may have done such things as a kid, but that is certainly unusual. When I was a kid, I didn't even care what my batting average was. I don't recall batting average being brought up prior to being 14 or 15 years old.

 

Okay, now that's weird. We were talking about batting average long before high school. We had end of the season parties where coaches would give out $2 trophies for the stat leaders. I can't imagine a 12 year old playing organized baseball and not knowing about batting average.

[jersey cubs fan]

You mean to tell me you find it outside the realm of possibility that a young kid who likes math... a kid who is calculating his own BA and OBP and Slugging from little league games... didn't notice that guys with a bunch of home runs had a slugging percentage about .200-.250 points higher than their batting average and guys who didn't hit home runs had a much lower difference? That the very idea a kid might notice such a thing is so unrealistic that you can determine that nobody did that?

 

Nah. You guys can't say that. You're just being jerks to be jerks.

 

Sorry about the word nobody. I'm sure one out of every 500 kids may have looked at it once. The number may have grown for kids of the 2000s, with all the information about stats readily available to everybody. But the vast, vast, vast majority of kids never looked at a baseball card and subtracted AVG from SLG to determine which players were power hitters.

[Rob]

You mean to tell me you find it outside the realm of possibility that a young kid who likes math... a kid who is calculating his own BA and OBP and Slugging from little league games... didn't notice that guys with a bunch of home runs had a slugging percentage about .200-.250 points higher than their batting average and guys who didn't hit home runs had a much lower difference? That the very idea a kid might notice such a thing is so unrealistic that you can determine that nobody did that?

 

Nah. You guys can't say that. You're just being jerks to be jerks.

 

Sorry about the word nobody. I'm sure one out of every 500 kids may have looked at it once. The number may have grown for kids of the 2000s, with all the information about stats readily available to everybody. But the vast, vast, vast majority of kids never looked at a baseball card and subtracted AVG from SLG to determine which players were power hitters.

 

Again, because I feel the need to say this one more time... I never did that to determine anything. I simply noticed the correlation.

 

The thing I took issue with was hawkeyecub calling me a liar. For something so plausible (even if somewhat rare), I don't take kindly to accusations.

[treebird]

 

You're not, you're just the one being honest.

 

This is extremely offensive. Just because you didn't understand basic math at a young age doesn't mean nobody did.

 

 

Except nobody was looking at baseball cards and subtracting AVG from SLG to determine which players were powerful hitters.

 

You mean to tell me you find it outside the realm of possibility that a young kid who likes math... a kid who is calculating his own BA and OBP and Slugging from little league games... didn't notice that guys with a bunch of home runs had a slugging percentage about .200-.250 points higher than their batting average and guys who didn't hit home runs had a much lower difference? That the very idea a kid might notice such a thing is so unrealistic that you can determine that nobody did that?

 

Nah. You guys can't say that. You're just being jerks to be jerks.

That's actually exactly what I'm saying. Kids looked at HR's and rbi to determine power hitters. Some kids my have even looked at slugging %. No kids were subtracting avg from slugging to determine which high slugging % hitters had their slugging affected by singles.

 

i did this! i even remember the card that spurred it on. it was a tony gwynn from 93 or 94. it completely drove me insane because he there was one year where where he hit like four home runs and slugged over.500. i was convinced it was a typo until i matched the numbers up on a different card. the subtraction stuff eventually followed. this stuff isn't complicated, and i owned a calculator. i thought i was a badass.

[pccubfan]

I'm old. When did they start adding calculated stats, beyond AVG, to the backs of baseball cards.

[MSG T]

You mean to tell me you find it outside the realm of possibility that a young kid who likes math... a kid who is calculating his own BA and OBP and Slugging from little league games... didn't notice that guys with a bunch of home runs had a slugging percentage about .200-.250 points higher than their batting average and guys who didn't hit home runs had a much lower difference? That the very idea a kid might notice such a thing is so unrealistic that you can determine that nobody did that?

 

Nah. You guys can't say that. You're just being jerks to be jerks.

 

Sorry about the word nobody. I'm sure one out of every 500 kids may have looked at it once. The number may have grown for kids of the 2000s, with all the information about stats readily available to everybody. But the vast, vast, vast majority of kids never looked at a baseball card and subtracted AVG from SLG to determine which players were power hitters.

 

 

I'm not that old and when I was a kid they didn't put SLG% on the backs of baseball cards. That would have been mid to late 70's, even into the early 80's. There was no correlation because it wasn't there to correlate anything to.

 

Now, in Rob's defense, it is entirely possible kids did that in later years. I don't know for sure when they started putting SLG (or OBP) on the backs of cards. However, I don't even remember hearing the term SLG% until I first read Bill James' book sometime in HS/college. And I know it wasn't on baseball cards until I was at least in high school.

[lumafia]

You mean to tell me you find it outside the realm of possibility that a young kid who likes math... a kid who is calculating his own BA and OBP and Slugging from little league games... didn't notice that guys with a bunch of home runs had a slugging percentage about .200-.250 points higher than their batting average and guys who didn't hit home runs had a much lower difference? That the very idea a kid might notice such a thing is so unrealistic that you can determine that nobody did that?

 

Nah. You guys can't say that. You're just being jerks to be jerks.

 

Sorry about the word nobody. I'm sure one out of every 500 kids may have looked at it once. The number may have grown for kids of the 2000s, with all the information about stats readily available to everybody. But the vast, vast, vast majority of kids never looked at a baseball card and subtracted AVG from SLG to determine which players were power hitters.

 

Again, because I feel the need to say this one more time... I never did that to determine anything. I simply noticed the correlation.

 

The thing I took issue with was hawkeyecub calling me a liar. For something so plausible (even if somewhat rare), I don't take kindly to accusations.

 

 

It would probably be safe to assume that a larger percentage of kids capable of compiling such advanced statistics and determining their correlations to production would find themselves on a website later in life involved in heated discussions including advanced statistics.

[JimSorgi]

You guys really don't need to make up all these stories about calculating isoP in the attic or whatever. We know you were playing with your junk the entire time.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm old. When did they start adding calculated stats, beyond AVG, to the backs of baseball cards.

 

Good question.

This looks like a 1990 Sosa card with BA, G, AB, R, H, 2B, 3B, HR, RBI, SB

 

http://keymancollectibles.com/baseballcards/images/wpe6c.jpg

[jersey cubs fan]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_935wAgojuqw/SYp75VGZVzI/AAAAAAAAArM/VSHcXUseLrI/s400/86+topps+back.jpg

 

But here's a Strawberry from the 80's with SLG. I vaguely remember seeing SLG, but not OBP, and that is the era when I collected cards. So it must have been on most I saw.

[SouthSideRyan]

I thought GWRBI was the coolest when I first started collecting.

[jersey cubs fan]

I thought GWRBI was the coolest when I first started collecting.

 

I remember it being about the most important stat listed in the sports section.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I remember not knowing or caring what SLG was.

[javy knows my name]

I remember not knowing or caring what SLG was.

I remember asking my Dad and him saying "how the hell should I know?"

 

Good times

[hawkeyecub]

You mean to tell me you find it outside the realm of possibility that a young kid who likes math... a kid who is calculating his own BA and OBP and Slugging from little league games... didn't notice that guys with a bunch of home runs had a slugging percentage about .200-.250 points higher than their batting average and guys who didn't hit home runs had a much lower difference? That the very idea a kid might notice such a thing is so unrealistic that you can determine that nobody did that?

 

Nah. You guys can't say that. You're just being jerks to be jerks.

 

Sorry about the word nobody. I'm sure one out of every 500 kids may have looked at it once. The number may have grown for kids of the 2000s, with all the information about stats readily available to everybody. But the vast, vast, vast majority of kids never looked at a baseball card and subtracted AVG from SLG to determine which players were power hitters.

 

Again, because I feel the need to say this one more time... I never did that to determine anything. I simply noticed the correlation.

 

The thing I took issue with was hawkeyecub calling me a liar. For something so plausible (even if somewhat rare), I don't take kindly to accusations.

 

You suggested I didn't understand basic math at a young age. I don't take kindly to accusations. That is extremely offensive. You're just being a jerk to be a jerk.

[lumafia]

You guys really don't need to make up all these stories about calculating isoP in the attic or whatever. We know you were playing with your junk the entire time.

 

Not at the table Carlos.