Re: Starlin Castro promoted (!)

[jersey cubs fan]

Right. And if they call him up and stick him on the bench, I really don't like this move. However, Nuts&Gum said it doesn't jeopardize his development if they call him up and play him. You refuted a point he didn't make.

 

No, you are wrong. I refuted his point that they aren't jeopardizing him just by calling him up. My point is just calling him up exposes him to the potential for mishandling. That's where it begins. The caveat that as long as he gets playing time is meaningless. Sure, if they handle it great it's not a problem, but the point is the de facto position with the Cubs is almost always handling things poorly, thus bringing him here in the first place is placing his development in jeopardy. It's not ruining him, it's jeopardy.

[soapy]

Hopefully his "source" was a suggestion from Kaplan.

 

Yep, consider that it's Sullivan.

 

It's the only thing that gives me hope.

 

Yeah, I really don't believe this one at all. I don't even think the Cubs are that stupid. More likely (IMO) would be Cashner in the bullpen and Zambrano to the rotation. I still wouldn't like it though.

[Guest]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, Enrique Rojas first reported that he was called up. I thought gooney was referring to an earlier column reporting "sources" saying that Castro's call-up was eminent. That's why I posted that link and mentioned Levine.

 

Oh...maybe he was...

 

Yes, that was my point. A week or so ago it was reported to be imminent and people scoffed at the idea. I don't get the point in criticizing people for fearing another reported potential move just because it's "only Sullivan speculating". It was speculated that Zambrano could go to the pen but considered unthinkable, until it actually happened.

[haubrich91]

I'm excited that he's up, but I'm nervous about the whole situation like most of you are. Please pan out, Starlin. This city will blow up if not.

[jersey cubs fan]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

 

it decreases every day he's down though. part of the issue is him not being settled into an everyday role by the time his options are up.

[imb]

It's nice to have something Cubs related to be excited about.

[Sammy Sofa]

Right. And if they call him up and stick him on the bench, I really don't like this move. However, Nuts&Gum said it doesn't jeopardize his development if they call him up and play him. You refuted a point he didn't make.

 

No, you are wrong. I refuted his point that they aren't jeopardizing him just by calling him up. My point is just calling him up exposes him to the potential for mishandling. That's where it begins. The caveat that as long as he gets playing time is meaningless. Sure, if they handle it great it's not a problem, but the point is the de facto position with the Cubs is almost always handling things poorly, thus bringing him here in the first place is placing his development in jeopardy. It's not ruining him, it's jeopardy.

 

If you wanted to you could argue that his development is in jeopardy just by being in the Cubs' system, period. If we're talking about the "woulda/coulda/shoulda" nature of jeopardy in the Context of the Cubs handling things poorly then he's been neck-deep in it since day one.

 

BOOM. TRUTH BOMB.

[Guest]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

 

it decreases every day he's down though. part of the issue is him not being settled into an everyday role by the time his options are up.

 

3 years is a long time. If Castro doesn't develop to the point that they want to send him down in 2014, then 1) they probably wouldn't have a problem getting him through waivers, and 2) he isn't going to pan out to make the fretting over the option worthwhile. Or he tore his ACL or robbed a bank or something.

[Banedon]

BOOM. TRUTH BOMB.

 

I don't know what you said before this, but I declare it invalid.

[Sammy Sofa]

Maybe he'll tear his ACL while robbing the bank.

 

Crap, we're doomed!

[Sammy Sofa]

BOOM. TRUTH BOMB.

 

I don't know what you said before this, but I declare it invalid.

 

Rejected.

 

TRUTH BOMBED.

[mul21]

I found this part interesting in regard to service time and arbitration...

 

Before the season, I suggested the Atlanta Braves should not open the season with Jason Heyward on the 25-man roster, because it would cost the team a year of service time that could be added by just waiting three weeks. This is essentially the approach the Cubs have taken with Castro, signalling the team probably wanted to break north with him after a fantastic Spring Training, but given the service time, Castro’s age and the possibility of a Mike Fontenot and Jeff Baker platoon working at second base, wisely decided against it. While this is surely a rash move that will draw ire from Cubs fans ready to compare Castro to Corey Patterson, and the Cubs will likely have Castro become a Super Two arbitration-eligible player, they have likely retained his rights for the 2016 season.

[jersey cubs fan]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

 

it decreases every day he's down though. part of the issue is him not being settled into an everyday role by the time his options are up.

 

3 years is a long time. If Castro doesn't develop to the point that they want to send him down in 2014, then 1) they probably wouldn't have a problem getting him through waivers, and 2) he isn't going to pan out to make the fretting over the option worthwhile. Or he tore his ACL or robbed a bank or something.

 

It wouldn't take much for it to become an issue. Send him down sometime this year. Maybe he's banged up a little next season and suddenly it's 2012, he's burned 2 options and it's now or never time, and he's only 22 years old.

[Guest]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=10809

 

That's not to say Castro can't help, and help immediately. He makes the Cubs better right now. While the sliding of Ryan Theriot to second base, the team gets better overall offensively, while improving defensively at two positions. Even with just average wheels, he brings speed (how many even average runners do the Cubs have?) and energy to a lineup that is in desperate need of both, and I see little reason to believe he can't hit somewhere between his 70th and 80th percentile PECOTA forecasts with a line of .275/.335/.410.

[nick23]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

 

it decreases every day he's down though. part of the issue is him not being settled into an everyday role by the time his options are up.

I feel pretty confident they're not calling him up to sit him. That'd be like moving your best starter to middle relief, or batting your best on base guy 8th. Come on guys, give them the benefit of the doubt.

[dew1679666265]

Seems like the expert opinions vary on both sides of this. It seems like most of the opinion is that it's too early, but even those aren't strong opinions for the most part.

[Banedon]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

 

it decreases every day he's down though. part of the issue is him not being settled into an everyday role by the time his options are up.

I feel pretty confident they're not calling him up to sit him. That'd be like moving your best starter to middle relief, or batting your best on base guy 8th. Come on guys, give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Lets be fair....they've given us every reason to NOT give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Guest]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

 

it decreases every day he's down though. part of the issue is him not being settled into an everyday role by the time his options are up.

I feel pretty confident they're not calling him up to sit him. That'd be like moving your best starter to middle relief, or batting your best on base guy 8th. Come on guys, give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Lets be fair....they've given us every reason to NOT give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

Read what he said closely.

[dew1679666265]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

 

it decreases every day he's down though. part of the issue is him not being settled into an everyday role by the time his options are up.

 

3 years is a long time. If Castro doesn't develop to the point that they want to send him down in 2014, then 1) they probably wouldn't have a problem getting him through waivers, and 2) he isn't going to pan out to make the fretting over the option worthwhile. Or he tore his ACL or robbed a bank or something.

 

It wouldn't take much for it to become an issue. Send him down sometime this year. Maybe he's banged up a little next season and suddenly it's 2012, he's burned 2 options and it's now or never time, and he's only 22 years old.

 

So he shouldn't have been called up at all this year?

[Shilzzz]

i'm just kinda excited to watch him play. hopefully they let him play, but even if not Hendry is gone after this year, and maybe Ricketts will bring in a GM who knows what he's doing.

[Banedon]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

 

it decreases every day he's down though. part of the issue is him not being settled into an everyday role by the time his options are up.

I feel pretty confident they're not calling him up to sit him. That'd be like moving your best starter to middle relief, or batting your best on base guy 8th. Come on guys, give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Lets be fair....they've given us every reason to NOT give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

Read what he said closely.

 

*wooooosh*

 

:blush:

[MSG T]

That jeopardy is there whether Castro is called up today, tomorrow, or 3 years from now.

 

it decreases every day he's down though. part of the issue is him not being settled into an everyday role by the time his options are up.

I feel pretty confident they're not calling him up to sit him. That'd be like moving your best starter to middle relief, or batting your best on base guy 8th. Come on guys, give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Lets be fair....they've given us every reason to NOT give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

 

Read what he said closely.

 

It's times like this I think that green font thing needs to be made mandatory.

[jersey cubs fan]

So he shouldn't have been called up at all this year?

 

September callup would mean no risk of burning an option. July/August callup would keep that risk to a minimum. Early May callup means we've got an entire season of worrying what Lou will do with him. Early May callup after getting swept by the Pirates moving well under .500 and 5 games out of 1st puts a lot of expectation on him to be the savior.

[Banedon]

It's times like this I think that green font thing needs to be made mandatory.

 

I'd rather some folks miss some sarcasm on occasion than have to read the green font.