Bulls Offseason Thread

[imb]

so you basically just reverse-summarized the last couple of posts.

 

way to take the information and make it more verbose and less understandable.

 

So for using so many words, you said nothing.

 

Get to the point, unless you don't have one.

 

if you're going to be a terrible poster, you need to be cool and funny like me. not an illiterate +1

[nick23]

I hope those of you that are on board for Cal because of the WW Wes and Lebron connections are not the same people that have been calling him a slimeball in the college basketball threads. It seems really hypocritical to bash him for being bad for college basketball. Then also bash the schools that hire him for basically selling out and looking the other way while he works his "recruiting magic" now just to turn around and want him because of those same connections.

[Guest]

I hope those of you that are on board for Cal because of the WW Wes and Lebron connections are not the same people that have been calling him a slimeball in the college basketball threads. It seems really hypocritical to bash him for being bad for college basketball. Then also bash the schools that hire him for basically selling out and looking the other way while he works his "recruiting magic" now just to turn around and want him because of those same connections.

So it's hypocritical to criticize him for paying college kids under the table, whereas not feeling that paying guys in the pros is okay?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I hope those of you that are on board for Cal because of the WW Wes and Lebron connections are not the same people that have been calling him a slimeball in the college basketball threads. It seems really hypocritical to bash him for being bad for college basketball. Then also bash the schools that hire him for basically selling out and looking the other way while he works his "recruiting magic" now just to turn around and want him because of those same connections.

Cal to the Bulls makes college basketball better. I hope it happens.

[nick23]

I hope those of you that are on board for Cal because of the WW Wes and Lebron connections are not the same people that have been calling him a slimeball in the college basketball threads. It seems really hypocritical to bash him for being bad for college basketball. Then also bash the schools that hire him for basically selling out and looking the other way while he works his "recruiting magic" now just to turn around and want him because of those same connections.

So it's hypocritical to criticize him for paying college kids under the table, whereas not feeling that paying guys in the pros is okay?

I'm pretty sure he's never been accused of paying college kids under the table.

[David]

I hate college sports and never talk about them, so I'm clean. :-)

[SouthSideRyan]

I hope those of you that are on board for Cal because of the WW Wes and Lebron connections are not the same people that have been calling him a slimeball in the college basketball threads. It seems really hypocritical to bash him for being bad for college basketball. Then also bash the schools that hire him for basically selling out and looking the other way while he works his "recruiting magic" now just to turn around and want him because of those same connections.

So it's hypocritical to criticize him for paying college kids under the table, whereas not feeling that paying guys in the pros is okay?

I'm pretty sure he's never been accused of paying college kids under the table.

 

Well, no, he's not writing checks out of his personal bank account.

[nick23]

I hope those of you that are on board for Cal because of the WW Wes and Lebron connections are not the same people that have been calling him a slimeball in the college basketball threads. It seems really hypocritical to bash him for being bad for college basketball. Then also bash the schools that hire him for basically selling out and looking the other way while he works his "recruiting magic" now just to turn around and want him because of those same connections.

So it's hypocritical to criticize him for paying college kids under the table, whereas not feeling that paying guys in the pros is okay?

I'm pretty sure he's never been accused of paying college kids under the table.

 

Well, no, he's not writing checks out of his personal bank account.

I'm not trying to say that Calipari is clean. I doubt there's a huge percentage of college coaches that are clean. The point is though that Calipari's and w.w. wes's relationship is not against NCAA rules. Shady yes, but not illegal. And it would be just as shady of a relationship in the NBA. It's easy to sit on your high horse and condemn teams that Cal coaches for selling their souls. I just find it funny that now Bulls fans are willing to do the same thing. And trust me I'm not judging. Bulls fans should want Calipari even if there's a 50% chance Lebron is coming with him.

[Old Style]

Silly me. I thought there was a huge distinction between college athletics and pro sports.

[nick23]

Silly me. I thought there was a huge distinction between college athletics and pro sports.

There is. I'd be willing to bet though that if you're a fan of Illinois basketball you'd be just as for him going there and bringing Brandon Knight and some other top recruits with him. Maybe i'm wrong though.

[SouthSideRyan]

Silly me. I thought there was a huge distinction between college athletics and pro sports.

There is. I'd be willing to bet though that if you're a fan of Illinois basketball you'd be just as for him going there and bringing Brandon Knight and some other top recruits with him. Maybe i'm wrong though.

 

You're wrong. I don't want Illinois basketball to get the death penalty

[Keener98]

Silly me. I thought there was a huge distinction between college athletics and pro sports.

There is. I'd be willing to bet though that if you're a fan of Illinois basketball you'd be just as for him going there and bringing Brandon Knight and some other top recruits with him. Maybe i'm wrong though.

 

You're wrong. I don't want Illinois basketball to get the death penalty

 

Yea, Im an Illinois fan, and I wouldn't want Cal anywhere near that team. Illinois is already watched like a hawk, we dont need Cal's shadyness there.

 

As a Bulls fan, his unethical behavior becomes a lot less prevalent in the pros, as there isn't anything he can do against the rules, unlike his every day actions as a college coach. There is a big difference between the pro's and college.

[nick23]

Silly me. I thought there was a huge distinction between college athletics and pro sports.

There is. I'd be willing to bet though that if you're a fan of Illinois basketball you'd be just as for him going there and bringing Brandon Knight and some other top recruits with him. Maybe i'm wrong though.

 

You're wrong. I don't want Illinois basketball to get the death penalty

Last time i checked UMASS and Memphis were still playing.

[SouthSideRyan]

Silly me. I thought there was a huge distinction between college athletics and pro sports.

There is. I'd be willing to bet though that if you're a fan of Illinois basketball you'd be just as for him going there and bringing Brandon Knight and some other top recruits with him. Maybe i'm wrong though.

 

You're wrong. I don't want Illinois basketball to get the death penalty

Last time i checked UMASS and Memphis were still playing.

 

Yeah and Memphis did more than spend $10 on a pizza, but they weren't placed on probation for 2 years either.

[Keener98]

Silly me. I thought there was a huge distinction between college athletics and pro sports.

There is. I'd be willing to bet though that if you're a fan of Illinois basketball you'd be just as for him going there and bringing Brandon Knight and some other top recruits with him. Maybe i'm wrong though.

 

You're wrong. I don't want Illinois basketball to get the death penalty

Last time i checked UMASS and Memphis were still playing.

 

Yea, and check and see how close those schools were watched before Cal got there. Illinois is already watched like a hawk because of some of their past behavior.

[SpongeWorthy]

I think it's that you guys say that Calipari, among others, are paying off everyone in sight as if it's incontrovertible fact that comes off as whiny and presumptuous.

[SouthSideRyan]

I think it's obvious why you, the USC fan, are always running in to bitch whenever people say other schools are skirting the rules. Edited May 10, 2010 by SouthSideRyan

[Guest]

I think it's obvious why you, the USC fan, are always running into to bitch whenever people say other schools are skirting the rules.

reggie bush

[SpongeWorthy]

I think it's obvious why you, the USC fan, are always running in to bitch whenever people say other schools are skirting the rules.

 

Equating skirting the rules with paying people off is sort of what I'm getting at. They're pretty different but you conflate them all the time.

 

Even Tim seems to think that USC was ever accused of paying Reggie Bush off. That's not even remotely accurate, btw.

[nick23]

I think it's obvious why you, the USC fan, are always running in to bitch whenever people say other schools are skirting the rules.

 

Equating skirting the rules with paying people off is sort of what I'm getting at. They're pretty different but you conflate them all the time.

 

Even Tim seems to think that USC was ever accused of paying Reggie Bush off. That's not even remotely accurate, btw.

It's just a lot easier to say Calipari is sleazy because he pays is players under the table then it is to actually know the facts.

[Guest]

I think it's obvious why you, the USC fan, are always running in to bitch whenever people say other schools are skirting the rules.

 

Equating skirting the rules with paying people off is sort of what I'm getting at. They're pretty different but you conflate them all the time.

 

Even Tim seems to think that USC was ever accused of paying Reggie Bush off. That's not even remotely accurate, btw.

Sorry. Please correct me on the story as I didn't really pay all that much attention. I know it wasn't a direct cash receipt by reggie. And it was likely a booster or set of boosters and not the school, right?

 

the post I quoted had nothing to do with cash dispersals from the university funds, though. It talked about schools skirting the rules. If you think USC is completely innocent of that, I've got some lovely real estate to sell you.

[SpongeWorthy]

I think it's obvious why you, the USC fan, are always running in to bitch whenever people say other schools are skirting the rules.

 

Equating skirting the rules with paying people off is sort of what I'm getting at. They're pretty different but you conflate them all the time.

 

Even Tim seems to think that USC was ever accused of paying Reggie Bush off. That's not even remotely accurate, btw.

Sorry. Please correct me on the story as I didn't really pay all that much attention. I know it wasn't a direct cash receipt by reggie. And it was likely a booster or set of boosters and not the school, right?

 

the post I quoted had nothing to do with cash dispersals from the university funds, though. It talked about schools skirting the rules. If you think USC is completely innocent of that, I've got some lovely real estate to sell you.

 

It was an agent that wanted to sign Bush that put his family up in a fairly expensive house in San Diego. An agent that had everything to gain by getting him to leave school a year early. The school is accused of not knowing/monitoring it like it should have been. I'd say that's quite different than a booster or someone in the university paying a guy to attend/stay at your school. But yeah, it's bad and USC is going to get some punishment for it this summer, finally.

 

And no I know USC is guilty of skirting more than it's fair share of rules. I probably care less than most though. I just can't get that worked up about whether institutions, in league with the NCAA, that profit from the exploitation of college athletes under the guise of sham amateurism are following the letter of the law. Big time college athletics is a huge farce that way. Every day standards of fairness that we take for granted in every segment of the economy somehow get people into a lather because certain colors are involved.

[SpongeWorthy]

Derrick Rose is a good Calipari related example of what I'm talking about. Absolutely no one cares about his SAT thing now that he's in the pros. They only cared then because he was on a college team that happened to not be the team that most people rooted for not because of what it meant about "ethics" in college sports. It didn't stop him from being drafted #1, and if it did you'd be labeled, rightly so, as a totally incompetent front office guy. But in the bizarro NCAA world it was an egregious violation...even though the NCAA got a lot more out of Rose than Rose did out of the NCAA. He should've never been in college in the first place.

[nick23]

Derrick Rose is a good Calipari related example of what I'm talking about. Absolutely no one cares about his SAT thing now that he's in the pros. They only cared then because he was on a college team that happened to not be the team that most people rooted for not because of what it meant about "ethics" in college sports. It didn't stop him from being drafted #1, and if it did you'd be labeled, rightly so, as a totally incompetent front office guy. But in the bizarro NCAA world it was an egregious violation...even though the NCAA got a lot more out of Rose than Rose did out of the NCAA. He should've never been in college in the first place.

Not to mention that the NCAA cleared him to play before the season.

[SouthSideRyan]

Derrick Rose is a good Calipari related example of what I'm talking about. Absolutely no one cares about his SAT thing now that he's in the pros. They only cared then because he was on a college team that happened to not be the team that most people rooted for not because of what it meant about "ethics" in college sports. It didn't stop him from being drafted #1, and if it did you'd be labeled, rightly so, as a totally incompetent front office guy. But in the bizarro NCAA world it was an egregious violation...even though the NCAA got a lot more out of Rose than Rose did out of the NCAA. He should've never been in college in the first place.

 

But what's the solution? As long as there are rules in place, the teams that are skirting them are gaining an unfair advantage over those that are following them.

 

This is what came up time and time regarding Kelvin Sampson.(before it was revealed that pretty much nobody on that IU team went to class due to their debilitating cocaine habits) It was just phone calls, you're gonna get upset over phone calls!?? Gimme a break!!! The point was there was an advantage gained due to the extra phone calls. An advantage that he had over other schools because they followed the rules as set out by the NCAA. It was compounded by the fact that Sampson was a repeat offender, and was already sanctioned for the same reason when he committed the violation, but all it really amounted to was extra phone calls. Is this a big deal in a vaccuum? Of course not. Was it something that should have been punished? Absolutely.