Hendry looking per Kaplan

[Guest]

Speaking of KC, I wonder if we could dangle Cashner for Soria.

Holy Garland for Karchner Batman!

[davell]

Silva's contract status is kind of interesting actually. I thought we received more money from the M's THIS year than for next year, but according to Cot's anyway, we are receiving 3.5 this season and 5.5 next season. He's making 11.5 each year and has a 2 mill buyout for 2012. At any rate, if he's pitching remotely decent at the trade deadline, it MAY be possible to deal him based on these figures. A desperate team for pitching could have him for probably around 4 mill for the final 2 months of THIS season and 6 mill for next year, with the buyout to come in 2012. Of course, he's going to have to pitch well for this to even be an option. But, he's looked solid so far at least.......

[Backtobanks]

Please Ricketts. Fire Hendry before he can do any more damage. You are not in win now mode. You are, and should be focused on, rebuilding mode. Prove you actually know what you are doing, and don't let Hendry do this.

 

The Cubs are not in a rebuilding mode when you have 8 regular players with contracts ending somewhere between 2011-2014 (plus DLee and Lilly may get extensions). Also, we have discussed that many of these contracts are almost untradeable. Slowly mixing in Castro, Vitters, Cashner, etc. will help, but I don't expect the Cubs to be in a complete rebuilding mode in the forseeable future.

[Guest]

Please Ricketts. Fire Hendry before he can do any more damage. You are not in win now mode. You are, and should be focused on, rebuilding mode. Prove you actually know what you are doing, and don't let Hendry do this.

 

The Cubs are not in a rebuilding mode when you have 8 regular players with contracts ending somewhere between 2011-2014 (plus DLee and Lilly may get extensions). Also, we have discussed that many of these contracts are almost untradeable. Slowly mixing in Castro, Vitters, Cashner, etc. will help, but I don't expect the Cubs to be in a complete rebuilding mode in the forseeable future.

Out of all those contracts, Soriano's is likely the only one that's completely untradeable.

[Backtobanks]

I'm actually hoping they can sell the "Silva is fixed" story to some poor team looking for pitching. If they could get the other team to pick up the rest of the contract and give us a bag of balls, Hendry would come out looking like a genius.

 

There's no way another team is going to pick up the rest of that contract, even if he looks like he's fixed. Getting a team to pick up half of that contract would be miraculous.

 

Depends on how long he has success. If it's coming down to the wire at the deadline and he's been on the comeback trail since April you could likely move him without having to pay any of the money.

 

The question is how many opportunities will he get to prove he's fixed after Lilly comes back.

[hankp101]

I still think Jason Frasor is the guy. The Blue Jays have been rumored to be looking at SPs elsewhere and the Cubs have depth there. I know they were asking for a lot for Frasor in the spring, but his early season struggles might make him more affordable.

 

I also wonder what the chances are that Castro's blazing start in AA is making them consider moving Theriot for bullpen help? Not adovcating, just saying it is something I could see the Cubs considering. Gorz+Theriot would be a package that some teams might have some legit interest in.

[davell]

The Cubs will NEVER be in full rebuild mode. They're a major market team and always have the ability to go out and retool to some degree. On the other hand, re-signing guys like Lee and Lilly is NOT necessarily a given, by any stretch of the imagination. We could sell them and Aramis off too, for that matter between now and the end of the year......Is that rebuilding? Not really, if you go out and respend the same money on other players over the offseason. The Cubs are hamstrung financially to some degree, because of bad contracts(although I'm not sure we have anyone untradable other than Soriano), but by having some home grown talent you can throw into the mix and having some of the larger payroll committments dropping off too, there are ways to make this team a perennial contender, even over the next few seasons.

[Northside Blues]

Speaking of KC, I wonder if we could dangle Cashner for Soria.

Holy Garland for Karchner Batman!

Many people still vIew Cashner as a RP prospect. It is vey unlikely for him to make it as a starter. He gets gassed and his poor command will hurt him. If you work under the assumption that Cashner at the end of the day is a RP then what are the chances that he ever passes Soria's level? Nilch. What are the chances he reaches it, pretty small. Soria would be his upside. So we would essentially be guaranteeing his upside and we would have it for three years. Soria won't e a free agent until after 2012, I don't think. It is a very good move for us if you don't like Cashners likelihood of becoming a decent SP.

[YearofDaCubs]

Zambrano to the pen? What?

 

[Guest]

Speaking of KC, I wonder if we could dangle Cashner for Soria.

Holy Garland for Karchner Batman!

Many people still vIew Cashner as a RP prospect. It is vey unlikely for him to make it as a starter. He gets gassed and his poor command will hurt him. If you work under the assumption that Cashner at the end of the day is a RP then what are the chances that he ever passes Soria's level? Nilch. What are the chances he reaches it, pretty small. Soria would be his upside. So we would essentially be guaranteeing his upside and we would have it for three years. Soria won't e a free agent until after 2012, I don't think. It is a very good move for us if you don't like Cashners likelihood of becoming a decent SP.

You haven't been paying much attention to Cashner this spring, have you?

 

Also, Holy Faulty Logic, Batman!

 

Some people still view him as a reliever, ergo, it is very unlikely for him to make it as a starter.

 

Brilliant.

[Guest]

Speaking of KC, I wonder if we could dangle Cashner for Soria.

Holy Garland for Karchner Batman!

Many people still vIew Cashner as a RP prospect. It is vey unlikely for him to make it as a starter. He gets gassed and his poor command will hurt him. If you work under the assumption that Cashner at the end of the day is a RP then what are the chances that he ever passes Soria's level? Nilch. What are the chances he reaches it, pretty small. Soria would be his upside. So we would essentially be guaranteeing his upside and we would have it for three years. Soria won't e a free agent until after 2012, I don't think. It is a very good move for us if you don't like Cashners likelihood of becoming a decent SP.

 

Cashner is averaging nearly 6 IP a start so far this year and has a 25/4 K/BB in 17.1 IP. I'd rather not work under the assumption that he is an RP.

[davell]

Speaking of KC, I wonder if we could dangle Cashner for Soria.

Holy Garland for Karchner Batman!

Many people still vIew Cashner as a RP prospect. It is vey unlikely for him to make it as a starter. He gets gassed and his poor command will hurt him. If you work under the assumption that Cashner at the end of the day is a RP then what are the chances that he ever passes Soria's level? Nilch. What are the chances he reaches it, pretty small. Soria would be his upside. So we would essentially be guaranteeing his upside and we would have it for three years. Soria won't e a free agent until after 2012, I don't think. It is a very good move for us if you don't like Cashners likelihood of becoming a decent SP.

 

Cashner is averaging nearly 6 IP a start so far this year and has a 25/4 K/BB in 17.1 IP. I'd rather not work under the assumption that he is an RP.

 

I'm pretty sure this guy hates our farm system. Isn't this the same guy comparing Castro with Alex Cora and Caesar Izturis?

[daske17]

Casto + Cashner + Vitters for Brett Myers and Augie Ojeda.

 

At this point, nothing would surprise me.

[Iceblink]

Speaking of KC, I wonder if we could dangle Cashner for Soria.

Holy Garland for Karchner Batman!

 

As soon as I read the thread title, I was thinking of Karchner & Garland.

 

Of course, it was actually Garland for Karchner and at least some contribution to getting rid of Lynch. Would you trade Cashner for a bucket of balls and Hendry moving on?

[Guest]

Speaking of KC, I wonder if we could dangle Cashner for Soria.

Holy Garland for Karchner Batman!

 

As soon as I read the thread title, I was thinking of Karchner & Garland.

 

Of course, it was actually Garland for Karchner and at least some contribution to getting rid of Lynch. Would you trade Cashner for a bucket of balls and Hendry moving on?

No.

[17 Seconds]

jay jackson for heath bell is happening

[Backtobanks]

Please Ricketts. Fire Hendry before he can do any more damage. You are not in win now mode. You are, and should be focused on, rebuilding mode. Prove you actually know what you are doing, and don't let Hendry do this.

 

The Cubs are not in a rebuilding mode when you have 8 regular players with contracts ending somewhere between 2011-2014 (plus DLee and Lilly may get extensions). Also, we have discussed that many of these contracts are almost untradeable. Slowly mixing in Castro, Vitters, Cashner, etc. will help, but I don't expect the Cubs to be in a complete rebuilding mode in the forseeable future.

Out of all those contracts, Soriano's is likely the only one that's completely untradeable.

 

I agree that Soriano's might be the only one thats completely untradeable, but most of those other big contracts won't get anywhere near equal value in return without eating a portion of the contract. We could trade Zambrano, Dempster, or ARam, but what team is going to give us "sure-thing" prospects while picking up $14-$19 million per year. In this economy there's only a handful of clubs that can afford those kind of numbers. Also we've seen this year that the "big spenders" have cut back and are putting more value in their own prospects.

[shnsajax]

Speaking of KC, I wonder if we could dangle Cashner for Soria.

Holy Garland for Karchner Batman!

Many people still vIew Cashner as a RP prospect. It is vey unlikely for him to make it as a starter. He gets gassed and his poor command will hurt him. If you work under the assumption that Cashner at the end of the day is a RP then what are the chances that he ever passes Soria's level? Nilch. What are the chances he reaches it, pretty small. Soria would be his upside. So we would essentially be guaranteeing his upside and we would have it for three years. Soria won't e a free agent until after 2012, I don't think. It is a very good move for us if you don't like Cashners likelihood of becoming a decent SP.

 

Cashner is averaging nearly 6 IP a start so far this year and has a 25/4 K/BB in 17.1 IP. I'd rather not work under the assumption that he is an RP.

 

I think I read somewhere in BA that he was hitting 96 in the 6th inning too.

[Derwood]

So is there really a trade happening, or was the "major move involving a starting pitcher" just Z moving to the pen?

[Guest]

Speaking of KC, I wonder if we could dangle Cashner for Soria.

Holy Garland for Karchner Batman!

Many people still vIew Cashner as a RP prospect. It is vey unlikely for him to make it as a starter. He gets gassed and his poor command will hurt him. If you work under the assumption that Cashner at the end of the day is a RP then what are the chances that he ever passes Soria's level? Nilch. What are the chances he reaches it, pretty small. Soria would be his upside. So we would essentially be guaranteeing his upside and we would have it for three years. Soria won't e a free agent until after 2012, I don't think. It is a very good move for us if you don't like Cashners likelihood of becoming a decent SP.

 

Cashner is averaging nearly 6 IP a start so far this year and has a 25/4 K/BB in 17.1 IP. I'd rather not work under the assumption that he is an RP.

 

I think I read somewhere in BA that he was hitting 96 in the 6th inning too.

yes, you did read that recently.

[ctcf]

If Hendry trades one of Vitters, Cashner, Castro or the Jacksons for BP help I will absolutely throw up on myself.

[A New Era]

Please Ricketts. Fire Hendry before he can do any more damage. You are not in win now mode. You are, and should be focused on, rebuilding mode. Prove you actually know what you are doing, and don't let Hendry do this.

 

The Cubs are not in a rebuilding mode when you have 8 regular players with contracts ending somewhere between 2011-2014 (plus DLee and Lilly may get extensions). Also, we have discussed that many of these contracts are almost untradeable. Slowly mixing in Castro, Vitters, Cashner, etc. will help, but I don't expect the Cubs to be in a complete rebuilding mode in the forseeable future.

Out of all those contracts, Soriano's is likely the only one that's completely untradeable.

 

I agree. Plus, I don't expect them to ever be in "full" rebuild mode. What I'm thinking about is, don't trade a really good young prospect for a bandaid. I want the Cubs to atleast beable to keep from doing that. What I mean by rebuild mode is focus on keeping your top young talent, let the bad contracts die out, and make the team better slowly each year. Make a big move when you have the money, and the player is a can't miss superstar. Basically spent smart. And this current rumor is not smart at all.

[Backtobanks]

Please Ricketts. Fire Hendry before he can do any more damage. You are not in win now mode. You are, and should be focused on, rebuilding mode. Prove you actually know what you are doing, and don't let Hendry do this.

 

The Cubs are not in a rebuilding mode when you have 8 regular players with contracts ending somewhere between 2011-2014 (plus DLee and Lilly may get extensions). Also, we have discussed that many of these contracts are almost untradeable. Slowly mixing in Castro, Vitters, Cashner, etc. will help, but I don't expect the Cubs to be in a complete rebuilding mode in the forseeable future.

Out of all those contracts, Soriano's is likely the only one that's completely untradeable.

 

I agree. Plus, I don't expect them to ever be in "full" rebuild mode. What I'm thinking about is, don't trade a really good young prospect for a bandaid. I want the Cubs to atleast beable to keep from doing that. What I mean by rebuild mode is focus on keeping your top young talent, let the bad contracts die out, and make the team better slowly each year. Make a big move when you have the money, and the player is a can't miss superstar. Basically spent smart. And this current rumor is not smart at all.

 

Contrary to popular opinion, I don't think Hendry is an idiot. I think he understands what he has in Castro, Vitters, Cashner, etc. and is not about to trade them for some mediocre role player. Of course, the others GMs aren't idiots either and will positively asks for one of those players in a trade. The bottom line is that you never know what will happen after acquiring a player. A trade for someone like Bell could turn the whole season around assuming the offense wakes up. Look at what happened when Hendry added Edmonds two years ago.

[Sammy Sofa]

For the love of...

 

Adding a reliever isn't going to fix the team. There is zero point in overpaying in a trade for a reliever right now so long as the offense isn't given any indication it can produce with any kind of regularity AND before they've even bothered to try cycling in some of the pitchers from the minors AND actually given the young arms we currently have up more work.

[Backtobanks]

For the love of...

 

Adding a reliever isn't going to fix the team. There is zero point in overpaying in a trade for a reliever right now so long as the offense isn't given any indication it can produce with any kind of regularity AND before they've even bothered to try cycling in some of the pitchers from the minors AND actually given the young arms we currently have up more work.

 

If you read my post, I never said that adding a reliever was going to fix the team. The offense is slumping now, but their track record says they will rebound. That's not true about the bullpen. Getting a dependable reliever and setting up the roles in the bullpen could make a big difference. Obviously if ARam and DLee hit under .250 with reduced production all year, we're screwed. Also, I never wrote anything about overpaying for a reliever.