Kevin Hart sent down today

[Jake]

...but the Pirates front office is an even bigger mess.

 

Why do you say this ?

 

Maybe I spoke out of turn. Is someone else to blame for the Pirates starting rotation?

 

Over simplification of the problem. And, a rather myopic view.

[Guest]

...but the Pirates front office is an even bigger mess.

 

Why do you say this ?

 

Maybe I spoke out of turn. Is someone else to blame for the Pirates starting rotation?

 

Over simplification of the problem. And, a rather myopic view.

 

Possibly so. However, the appearance to me is that they keep trading for bats and ignore the rotation.

[Jake]

...but the Pirates front office is an even bigger mess.

 

Why do you say this ?

 

Maybe I spoke out of turn. Is someone else to blame for the Pirates starting rotation?

 

Over simplification of the problem. And, a rather myopic view.

 

Possibly so. However, the appearance to me is that they keep trading for bats and ignore the rotation.

 

That is absolutely not true.

 

Nady brought Karstens, Ohlendorf & DCutch.

Bay brought Bryan Morris (High A)

McClouth brought Charlie Morton and Jeff Locke.

Freddy brought Tim Alderson

Jack & Snell brought three A level pitchers, two of whom are AA bound soon (All starters).

Grabow & Gorzo brought two pitchers who promptly ripped up their shoulders upon arrival.

 

Donny Veal, rule V draftee, is a starter @ AAA right now.

 

In addition, look at our draft the last 2 years.

 

They may not be the best, but at least it's an attempt. It's kind of a throw enough [expletive] against the wall strategy and see what sticks.

 

The only holdovers in the rotation are Duke & Mahlom.

[Guest]

None of those guys are inspiring or have enough promise to prop up the rotation anytime soon.

 

You have hitters like Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, Jeff Clement to name a few that they trade for when they aren't needed nearly as much as pitchers are.

 

If I was a Pirates fan, I'd be pissed that they traded X Nady, Jason Bay, Adam LaRoche, Nate McClouth, Freddie Garcia and Tom Gorzellany and there isn't really one candidate to be significant in the rotation out of that bunch.

[SouthSideRyan]

Haha, Gorkys Hernandez is [expletive] terrible.

[Guest]

Haha, Gorkys Hernandez is [expletive] terrible.

 

Not claiming he's good or bad. For whatever reason, he gets love as a top prospect and he was the key player in the McClouth deal. If I'm Pittsburgh, I don't care about Locke, Hernandez or Morton. If you can't get someone better than that, look elsewhere or don't make the trade at all.

[Jake]

None of those guys are inspiring or have enough promise to prop up the rotation anytime soon.

 

You have hitters like Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, Jeff Clement to name a few that they trade for when they aren't needed nearly as much as pitchers are.

 

If I was a Pirates fan, I'd be pissed that they traded X Nady, Jason Bay, Adam LaRoche, Nate McClouth, Freddie Garcia and Tom Gorzellany and there isn't really one candidate to be significant in the rotation out of that bunch.

 

First, I'm assuming you mean Freddy Sanchez, and not Freddie Garcia.

 

The only one on that list who could be worthy of bringing a front line starter was Jason Bay. Bryan Morris was supposed to be that guy. He wasn't (Although he's off to a good start this year). Who's giving up young, #1 or #2 major league pitchers at the trade deadline for a non potential hall of famer ?)

 

Nady brought three back of the rotation guys. Ohlendorf could be a #3. This is in addition to Tabata, who's raking @ AAA right now. (Yeah, it's only a month.)

 

Plus, the minors have been stocked with a lot of pitching. Enough that a low percentage success rate will still yield a decent staff.

[Illini Iceman]

None of those guys are inspiring or have enough promise to prop up the rotation anytime soon.

 

You have hitters like Tabata, Gorkys Hernandez, Jeff Clement to name a few that they trade for when they aren't needed nearly as much as pitchers are.

 

If I was a Pirates fan, I'd be pissed that they traded X Nady, Jason Bay, Adam LaRoche, Nate McClouth, Freddie Garcia and Tom Gorzellany and there isn't really one candidate to be significant in the rotation out of that bunch.

 

First, I'm assuming you mean Freddy Sanchez, and not Freddie Garcia.

 

The only one on that list who could be worthy of bringing a front line starter was Jason Bay. Bryan Morris was supposed to be that guy. He wasn't (Although he's off to a good start this year). Who's giving up young, #1 or #2 major league pitchers at the trade deadline for a non potential hall of famer ?)

 

Nady brought three back of the rotation guys. Ohlendorf could be a #3. This is in addition to Tabata, who's raking @ AAA right now. (Yeah, it's only a month.)

 

Plus, the minors have been stocked with a lot of pitching. Enough that a low percentage success rate will still yield a decent staff.

 

Hey, as long as you are happy with it good luck to you.

 

Trying to justify the front office moves that resulted in that crap pitching staff they have put together is pretty funny.

 

I still can't figure out what they were trying to accomplish in the Gorzellany / Grabow trade.

[Jake]

Hey, as long as you are happy with it good luck to you.

Didn't say I was happy with it, per se. Just that anyone expecting better returns as far as major league pitching is delusional, with the exception of Bay.

 

Trying to justify the front office moves that resulted in that crap pitching staff they have put together is pretty funny.

Wasn't doing that at all. BBB said we didn't trade for pitching, only bats. I listed the pitching traded for.

 

I still can't figure out what they were trying to accomplish in the Gorzellany / Grabow trade.

Grabow was a free agent to be, Gorzo was a malcontent. Get something for Grabow, rid the club of a guy who didn't want to be there. What were Gorzo's numbers the past two years? In one sense, we really didn't give up much in that trade. They weren't going to be foolish enough to pay Grabow $3.5m/year.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

 

I still can't figure out what they were trying to accomplish in the Gorzellany / Grabow trade.

 

Grabow was going to be a (n overpriced) free agent. They got a guy back in Ascanio who would probably be the 2nd best arm in our pen if he was here and healthy.

 

Yeah, the Pirates suck right now, bold stance you're taking there. They suck because their payroll is anemic, and prior to Huntington they spent the previous 10 years with a horrendous minor league system. Considering this current Pirates franchise as the same as that was run by the drooling buffoons(one of which we hired) that ran it 5 years ago is ignorant

Edited May 4, 2010 by SouthSideRyan

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, from the Pirates' perspective last year I'd much rather have Jose Ascanio than John Grabow. Gorzo also didn't have much value at all last year either.