Bradley still running his mouth

[Tarver]

Screw all this infighting, doesn't anyone else see the silver lining to this nonsense?

 

It's not gonna be the blatant disdain for statistics, the bonehead quotes, the awful drafts, or the Soriano mess that'll do Jim Hendry in;

 

It's Milton running his mouth.

 

This offseason is the first time I can recall Jim Hendry taking heat from all corners of the media, and right or wrong, it's because of Bradley.

 

So please Milton, continue to spout your idiocy. And please Carlos, show us how awful you truly can be.

 

Because if that's the straw that finally, finally breaks the camel's back, and hastens Hendry's termination, Milton Bradley will have earned that $30 million.

Edited March 5, 2010 by Tarver

[Sammy Sofa]

There's too many idiots amongst the fans and the sports media that think Hendry made the right move in trading him and don't care what Silva does. Anything stupid thing Bradley says just reinforces that in their minds.

[Tarver]

Agreed, but I'm guessing Ricketts didn't get to where he is in life by following the herd. Might as well hope he can make some lemonade out of the lemons he bought.

 

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when you have to hope for the worst case scenario just to get rid of a problem that all of us have seen for the past five years.

[C.C.]

I think we've run this Bradley thing to the ground, and stomped the [expletive] out of it.

[CUBZ99]

I think we've run this Bradley thing to the ground, and stomped the [expletive] out of it.

 

Just wait until the season starts and the announcers get to rehash it all again. I'm especially looking forward to the ESPN and Fox games. :roll:

[soapy]

There's too many idiots amongst the fans and the sports media that think Hendry made the right move in trading him and don't care what Silva does. Anything stupid thing Bradley says just reinforces that in their minds.

 

Every Cubs fan I know in person (i.e. not people on this board) had the exact same thing to say about the Bradley/Silva trade: "I'm just glad he's gone." Most people don't want to think about the other stuff. They just don't really care, or want to be told why (I think) they should.

[SouthSideRyan]

There's too many idiots amongst the fans and the sports media that think Hendry made the right move in trading him and don't care what Silva does. Anything stupid thing Bradley says just reinforces that in their minds.

 

Every Cubs fan I know in person (i.e. not people on this board) had the exact same thing to say about the Bradley/Silva trade: "I'm just glad he's gone." Most people don't want to think about the other stuff. They just don't really care, or want to be told why (I think) they should.

 

Most people don't know anything about baseball. My friends are all idiots when it comes to this stuff.

[jersey cubs fan]

There's too many idiots amongst the fans and the sports media that think Hendry made the right move in trading him and don't care what Silva does. Anything stupid thing Bradley says just reinforces that in their minds.

 

Every Cubs fan I know in person (i.e. not people on this board) had the exact same thing to say about the Bradley/Silva trade: "I'm just glad he's gone." Most people don't want to think about the other stuff. They just don't really care, or want to be told why (I think) they should.

 

Most people don't know anything about baseball. My friends are all idiots when it comes to this stuff.

 

Maybe not idiots, just uninformed. Most people don't obsess over the team enough to spend their days checking out every rumor and story on a message board. They know he was a distraction, they hear things from the media, and are just happy to not have to deal with it. I don't blame them. I do blame the media members and Cubs personel who should know better but choose to remain ignorant.

[davearm2]

There's too many idiots amongst the fans and the sports media that think Hendry made the right move in trading him and don't care what Silva does. Anything stupid thing Bradley says just reinforces that in their minds.

 

Every Cubs fan I know in person (i.e. not people on this board) had the exact same thing to say about the Bradley/Silva trade: "I'm just glad he's gone." Most people don't want to think about the other stuff. They just don't really care, or want to be told why (I think) they should.

 

Most people don't know anything about baseball. My friends are all idiots when it comes to this stuff.

Of course the unintended comedy is that the folks here that think they do know everything about baseball and everyone else is an idiot and/or uninformed, are themselves uninformed on the most critical elements of the situation.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: unless you were in the Cubs clubhouse day in and day out last year, then you have no clue what was really going on, and therefore you have no business spouting about what Hendry should or should not have done with Bradley.

[davearm2]

Personally, I didn't think that was a good enough reason to ship him away for a contract even worse than his and a player unlikely to make any significant (positive) contributions to the team. But if the linked article is actually the way he feels, then maybe I'm wrong.

Kudos to you for recognizing that, just maybe, the depth and breadth of this dude's delusions made trading him at any cost the smart move -- and that only someone up close and personal to the situation (like, say, Jim Hendry) would know for sure.

 

The armchair QBs around here were having none of that hypothesis a few months ago, when this story was still on the front burner.

 

Milton Bradley is so crazy that Jim Hendry had to trade him! We know this because Jim Hendry traded him.

 

Circular logic is circular.

You missed the point yet again.

[Sammy Sofa]

This guy is the ultimate Hendry-defender.

[davearm2]

This guy is the ultimate Hendry-defender.

This discussion really has very little to do with Hendry.

[Sammy Sofa]

This guy is the ultimate Hendry-defender.

This discussion really has very little to do with Hendry.

 

And yet you keep going to the Hendry well to make your point.

[davearm2]

This guy is the ultimate Hendry-defender.

This discussion really has very little to do with Hendry.

 

And yet you keep going to the Hendry well to make your point.

If you think that, then you, too, missed the point.

[Sammy Sofa]

Your points are right there in black and white. You're the one going out of your way to specifically mentioning Hendry as someone who must have valuable insight into the situation and that nobody else here can possible have a valid opinion on it that doesn't paint Bradley as the obvious villain since they weren't as close as Hendry or others. Edited March 5, 2010 by Sammy Sofa

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm still waiting for somebody to explain how Bradley's miserable attitude cost the team games. The hilarity in that, is that the go-to explanation on that is people comparing their jobs to professional baseball, all while davearm makes the "you weren't there" argument

[davearm2]

Your points are right there in black and white. You're the one going out of your way to specifically mentioning Hendry as someone who must have valuable insight into the situation and that nobody else can possible have a valid opinion on it since they weren't as close as Hendry or others.

Bolded the key point for you.

 

There are maybe 50 guys with the sort of firsthand knowledge of the situation required to offer a truly informed opinion, but none of them are posting here.

 

I could have named any of those other 49 guys besides Hendry, and the point would've been the same. So if it makes you feel better, replace "Hendry" with "Piniella" or "Trammell" or "Zambrano" or "Hoffpaiur" or "trainer" or "equipment mgr." or whoever's your favorite. Makes no difference.

[Sammy Sofa]

That's the worst cop-out in a discussion possible. Of course we weren't there. But we can make perfectly reasonable theories and assumptions based on what we do know and common sense.

[davearm2]

That's the worst cop-out in a discussion possible. Of course we weren't there. But we can make perfectly reasonable theories and assumptions based on what we do know and common sense.

What you do know is very little.

 

That immediately calls into question the conclusion that your theories and assumptions can be characterized as "perfectly reasonable".

 

I prefer "completely speculative", personally.

[SouthSideRyan]

Do you feel it's appropriate to question any decision Jim Hendry makes? Obviously, none of us are going to have the same access to information that he does since he's on the inside? Should we swallow down each [expletive] sandwich cause he knows stuff we don't?

[Sammy Sofa]

That's the worst cop-out in a discussion possible. Of course we weren't there. But we can make perfectly reasonable theories and assumptions based on what we do know and common sense.

What you do know is very little.

 

That immediately calls into question the conclusion that your theories and assumptions can be characterized as "perfectly reasonable".

 

I prefer "completely speculative", personally.

 

We know plenty. Thinking that there's something horrible that Milton did that has been totally hidden and necessitated his being moved is not realistic given who runs this team, how this team is run and how they've dealt with variations of this issue in the past.

[CUBZ99]

That's the worst cop-out in a discussion possible. Of course we weren't there. But we can make perfectly reasonable theories and assumptions based on what we do know and common sense.

What you do know is very little.

 

That immediately calls into question the conclusion that your theories and assumptions can be characterized as "perfectly reasonable".

 

I prefer "completely speculative", personally.

 

We know plenty. Thinking that there's something horrible that Milton did that has been totally hidden and necessitated his being moved is not realistic given who runs this team, how this team is run and how they've dealt with variations of this issue in the past.

 

Please explain how much you know? All I know is what has been reported through the media and to claim the fans would know everything about the day to day interactions or problems is ridiculous.

[SouthSideRyan]

That's the worst cop-out in a discussion possible. Of course we weren't there. But we can make perfectly reasonable theories and assumptions based on what we do know and common sense.

What you do know is very little.

 

That immediately calls into question the conclusion that your theories and assumptions can be characterized as "perfectly reasonable".

 

I prefer "completely speculative", personally.

 

We know plenty. Thinking that there's something horrible that Milton did that has been totally hidden and necessitated his being moved is not realistic given who runs this team, how this team is run and how they've dealt with variations of this issue in the past.

 

Please explain how much you know? All I know is what has been reported through the media and to claim the fans would know everything about the day to day interactions or problems is ridiculous.

 

What's been reported through the media? I've seen nothing reported by the media that shows Bradley cost the teams wins with his attitude. The guy's a jerk, oh well.

[CubColtPacer]

That's the worst cop-out in a discussion possible. Of course we weren't there. But we can make perfectly reasonable theories and assumptions based on what we do know and common sense.

What you do know is very little.

 

That immediately calls into question the conclusion that your theories and assumptions can be characterized as "perfectly reasonable".

 

I prefer "completely speculative", personally.

 

We know plenty. Thinking that there's something horrible that Milton did that has been totally hidden and necessitated his being moved is not realistic given who runs this team, how this team is run and how they've dealt with variations of this issue in the past.

 

Please explain how much you know? All I know is what has been reported through the media and to claim the fans would know everything about the day to day interactions or problems is ridiculous.

 

What's been reported through the media? I've seen nothing reported by the media that shows Bradley cost the teams wins with his attitude. The guy's a jerk, oh well.

 

Well, it was reported that he refused to go into a game (which theoretically could have cost the Cubs that day) but I think that's the only on field issue that has been reported on.

[davearm2]

Do you feel it's appropriate to question any decision Jim Hendry makes? Obviously, none of us are going to have the same access to information that he does since he's on the inside? Should we swallow down each [expletive] sandwich cause he knows stuff we don't?

Of course it's appropriate. Don't be ridiculous.

 

This specific situation is very far outside the norm though, and at its core involves issues that a) we're not privy to, and b) can't be boiled down to statistics.

 

It doesn't fit neatly into the sabermetric box where you input OPS and WHIP and UZR and WARP and whatnot, and out comes your standard format thumbsup/thumbsdown answer. But nevertheless that's how some here have chosen to analyze it.