Casey Kotchman to Mariners for Bill Hall

[Derwood]

The Red Sox will acquire Bill Hall from the Mariners in exchange for Casey Kotchman, reports Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com.

This will be Hall's third organization in the space of one year. He didn't fare much better in the American League after coming over from the Brewers, batting .200/.244/.333 with two home runs and 12 RBI in 120 at-bats, but is right-handed and can play a variety of positions on the diamond.

[Rob]

Another very slick move by Jack Z. He's putting himself in the upper echelon of GMs pretty quickly.

 

 

On a side note, why did I keep thinking the Mariners had already resigned Russell Branyan to a contract? Go out and get him Jim!

[Derwood]

I like everything Seattle has done this off season. They'll be a fun team next year

[RedFlash]

I like everything Seattle has done this off season. They'll be a fun team next year

 

Maybe, but where the heck is the power on that team if they don't resign Branyan? I mean if Branyan doesn't come back the M's leading power source is Jose Lopez with 25 followed by Junior Griffey, Gutierrez at 18, Ichiro at 11. So that team won't be scaring anybody with the longball that's for sure.

[17 Seconds]

they won't really need to

[RedFlash]

they won't really need to

 

I don't mind the idea of small ball like the M's are setting up, but you still need to have that threat to go deep. And without Branyan they have nobody that scares you.

[XZero771679666304]

Another very slick move by Jack Z. He's putting himself in the upper echelon of GMs pretty quickly.

 

 

 

 

There was a reason crew fans were upset when he left. Jack didn't just fall off the turnip truck.

[davearm2]

Say what you will about Billy Hall, but let's not get too carried away here. Kotchman is a guy that hits like a SS from a position where offense is the premium.

 

Micah Hoffpaiur and Jake Fox types can play a passable 1B and match Kotchman's slash stats.

[17 Seconds]

they won't really need to

 

I don't mind the idea of small ball like the M's are setting up, but you still need to have that threat to go deep. And without Branyan they have nobody that scares you.

 

i'm saying that with their defense and their potential pithcing, they probably won't have to score a lot of runs to win games.

[17 Seconds]

Say what you will about Billy Hall, but let's not get too carried away here. Kotchman is a guy that hits like a SS from a position where offense is the premium.

 

Micah Hoffpaiur and Jake Fox types can play a passable 1B and match Kotchman's slash stats.

 

nobody is saying it's a great move or even that kotchman is good. he's just a lot better than bill hall. hall is worthless. it's just a solid trade

[davearm2]

Say what you will about Billy Hall, but let's not get too carried away here. Kotchman is a guy that hits like a SS from a position where offense is the premium.

 

Micah Hoffpaiur and Jake Fox types can play a passable 1B and match Kotchman's slash stats.

 

nobody is saying it's a great move or even that kotchman is good. he's just a lot better than bill hall. hall is worthless. it's just a solid trade

Only in your world is there a meaningful distinction between a "very slick move" and a "great move".

 

It's garbage for garbage. Hardly worth a second thought, let alone a bunch of gushing.

[17 Seconds]

Say what you will about Billy Hall, but let's not get too carried away here. Kotchman is a guy that hits like a SS from a position where offense is the premium.

 

Micah Hoffpaiur and Jake Fox types can play a passable 1B and match Kotchman's slash stats.

 

nobody is saying it's a great move or even that kotchman is good. he's just a lot better than bill hall. hall is worthless. it's just a solid trade

Only in your world is there a meaningful distinction between a "very slick move" and a "great move".

 

It's garbage for garbage. Hardly worth a second thought, let alone a bunch of gushing.

 

i'm not even the one who said very slick move, but whatever.

 

kotchman helps the team this year more than bill hall, period. it was a solid trade.

[A-Cal]

Casey Kotchman is garbage?

 

Strange.

[Rob]

Say what you will about Billy Hall, but let's not get too carried away here. Kotchman is a guy that hits like a SS from a position where offense is the premium.

 

Micah Hoffpaiur and Jake Fox types can play a passable 1B and match Kotchman's slash stats.

 

nobody is saying it's a great move or even that kotchman is good. he's just a lot better than bill hall. hall is worthless. it's just a solid trade

Only in your world is there a meaningful distinction between a "very slick move" and a "great move".

 

It's garbage for garbage. Hardly worth a second thought, let alone a bunch of gushing.

 

Due to his defensive prowess, Kotchman doesn't actually have to hit all that well to have value. That's not to imply one should write off his bat entirely however, as he's shown sparks in the past, was a very highly touted prospect and is entering his age 27 season. He's a great sleeper candidate who is still fairly cheap and has a couple years of club control left.

 

Bill Hall was below replacement level last year and is getting paid 8.4 mil this season.

 

Even if Kotchman is just a minor little something with a bit of promise, he fills a gaping hole at 1B and Jack Z acquired him for less than nothing. You can characterize it as "gushing" and slam the trade calling it "garbage for garbage" if you want, but it's becoming fairly obvious you're not even trying to think about whether or not your argument has merit before succumbing to your insatiable desire to be contrary.

[davearm2]

Casey Kotchman is garbage?

 

Strange.

He's been about a 1-win player. That's pretty darn worthless.

 

Perhaps there's a reason he's been traded three times in under 18 months?

[davearm2]

Say what you will about Billy Hall, but let's not get too carried away here. Kotchman is a guy that hits like a SS from a position where offense is the premium.

 

Micah Hoffpaiur and Jake Fox types can play a passable 1B and match Kotchman's slash stats.

 

nobody is saying it's a great move or even that kotchman is good. he's just a lot better than bill hall. hall is worthless. it's just a solid trade

Only in your world is there a meaningful distinction between a "very slick move" and a "great move".

 

It's garbage for garbage. Hardly worth a second thought, let alone a bunch of gushing.

 

Due to his defensive prowess, Kotchman doesn't actually have to hit all that well to have value. That's not to imply one should write off his bat entirely however, as he's shown sparks in the past, was a very highly touted prospect and is entering his age 27 season. He's a great sleeper candidate who is still fairly cheap and has a couple years of club control left.

 

Bill Hall was below replacement level last year and is getting paid 8.4 mil this season.

 

Even if Kotchman is just a minor little something with a bit of promise, he fills a gaping hole at 1B and Jack Z acquired him for less than nothing. You can characterize it as "gushing" and slam the trade calling it "garbage for garbage" if you want, but it's becoming fairly obvious you're not even trying to think about whether or not your argument has merit before succumbing to your insatiable desire to be contrary.

You say contrarian. I say grounded in reality.

[davearm2]

Say what you will about Billy Hall, but let's not get too carried away here. Kotchman is a guy that hits like a SS from a position where offense is the premium.

 

Micah Hoffpaiur and Jake Fox types can play a passable 1B and match Kotchman's slash stats.

 

nobody is saying it's a great move or even that kotchman is good. he's just a lot better than bill hall. hall is worthless. it's just a solid trade

Only in your world is there a meaningful distinction between a "very slick move" and a "great move".

 

It's garbage for garbage. Hardly worth a second thought, let alone a bunch of gushing.

 

i'm not even the one who said very slick move, but whatever.

No you're the one that said "nobody is saying it's a great move." Try and keep up.

[fromthestretch]

Casey Kotchman is garbage?

 

Strange.

He's been about a 1-win player. That's pretty darn worthless.

 

Perhaps there's a reason he's been traded three times in under 18 months?

 

Because at least three different teams were interested in acquiring him during that timespan?

[davearm2]

Casey Kotchman is garbage?

 

Strange.

He's been about a 1-win player. That's pretty darn worthless.

 

Perhaps there's a reason he's been traded three times in under 18 months?

 

Because at least three different teams were interested in acquiring him during that timespan?

The Braves got him because they were punting on their 2008 season and were losing their 1B in the trade (Teixeira).

 

The Red Sox got him to be a bench player.

[fromthestretch]

Casey Kotchman is garbage?

 

Strange.

He's been about a 1-win player. That's pretty darn worthless.

 

Perhaps there's a reason he's been traded three times in under 18 months?

 

Because at least three different teams were interested in acquiring him during that timespan?

The Braves got him because they were punting on their 2008 season and were losing their 1B in the trade (Teixeira).

 

The Red Sox got him to be a bench player.

 

Yeah, I'm sure that's why the Braves got him. It had nothing to do with the fact that he's good defensively, was only 25 years old, had good minor league numbers and was coming off a season with an .840 OPS. They traded for him because he was worthless and they needed someone with a pulse to stand at first base.

 

The guy is entering his prime years. He will most likely never be a .900 OPS guy, but there's a legitimate chance he could get back into the mid-.800s, which combined with his defense, isn't bad.

[Guest]

it's becoming fairly obvious you're not even trying to think about whether or not your argument has merit before succumbing to your insatiable desire to be contrary.

I thought we had settled in on "obtuse". :D

[davearm2]

it's becoming fairly obvious you're not even trying to think about whether or not your argument has merit before succumbing to your insatiable desire to be contrary.

I thought we had settled in on "obtuse". :D

So the guy in charge of the board isn't disciplining personal attacks, but perpetuating them.

 

Nice.

[Guest]

it's becoming fairly obvious you're not even trying to think about whether or not your argument has merit before succumbing to your insatiable desire to be contrary.

I thought we had settled in on "obtuse". :D

So the guy in charge of the board isn't disciplining personal attacks, but perpetuating them.

 

Nice.

We're talking about your arguments and the fact that you haven't ever seemed to come across an opinion on the board you agree with.

[davearm2]

it's becoming fairly obvious you're not even trying to think about whether or not your argument has merit before succumbing to your insatiable desire to be contrary.

I thought we had settled in on "obtuse". :D

So the guy in charge of the board isn't disciplining personal attacks, but perpetuating them.

 

Nice.

We're talking about your arguments and the fact that you haven't ever seemed to come across an opinion on the board you agree with.

Oh please. You called me obtuse... again. That's an obvious personal attack. At least have the balls to own it.

[XZero771679666304]

Oh please. You called me obtuse... again. That's an obvious personal attack. At least have the balls to own it.

 

No, your arguments are obtuse and contrarian. Consistently.

 

Saying someone is being willfully obtuse is not the same as saying they are obtuse. In fact, to consistently adapt to every argument to find the most contrary position indicates that you are not obtuse.