Yanks Land Vazquez for Cabrera

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how are people saying this is anything other than an awful, awful trade for the braves? vazquez was a top 5 pitcher in the NL last season and they get a mediocre cf and a reliever? i understand they get salary relief, but wow. there's no reason they shouldn't have gotten much better talent back to go with that salary relief.

[jersey cubs fan]

how are people saying this is anything other than an awful, awful trade for the braves? vazquez was a top 5 pitcher in the NL last season and they get a mediocre cf and a reliever? i understand they get salary relief, but wow. there's no reason they shouldn't have gotten much better talent back to go with that salary relief.

 

Unless nobody else could afford to trade for an expensive pitcher in 2010.

[17 Seconds]

how are people saying this is anything other than an awful, awful trade for the braves? vazquez was a top 5 pitcher in the NL last season and they get a mediocre cf and a reliever? i understand they get salary relief, but wow. there's no reason they shouldn't have gotten much better talent back to go with that salary relief.

 

Unless nobody else could afford to trade for an expensive pitcher in 2010.

 

then they should have just kept him. did they HAVE to dump salary this offseason?

 

either way, i find it hard to believe nobody else was willing to take on that 13 mil for vazquez.

[Guest]

how are people saying this is anything other than an awful, awful trade for the braves? vazquez was a top 5 pitcher in the NL last season and they get a mediocre cf and a reliever? i understand they get salary relief, but wow. there's no reason they shouldn't have gotten much better talent back to go with that salary relief.

 

Unless nobody else could afford to trade for an expensive pitcher in 2010.

 

then they should have just kept him. did they HAVE to dump salary this offseason?

 

either way, i find it hard to believe nobody else was willing to take on that 13 mil for vazquez.

 

The only explanation I can come up with is Atlanta's owner is broke, and the Yanks are the only team that can afford that contract. I've got nothing else.

[TruffleShuffle]

He has the ability to play all three outfield positions,” Wren said. “He’s just the perfect complement for the way we like to play the game.

 

i suppose this is true, since recently the way the braves have liked to play the game is without outfielders who possess the ability to hit.

[champaignchris]

how are people saying this is anything other than an awful, awful trade for the braves? vazquez was a top 5 pitcher in the NL last season and they get a mediocre cf and a reliever? i understand they get salary relief, but wow. there's no reason they shouldn't have gotten much better talent back to go with that salary relief.

 

Unless nobody else could afford to trade for an expensive pitcher in 2010.

 

then they should have just kept him. did they HAVE to dump salary this offseason?

 

either way, i find it hard to believe nobody else was willing to take on that 13 mil for vazquez.

 

The only explanation I can come up with is Atlanta's owner is broke, and the Yanks are the only team that can afford that contract. I've got nothing else.

 

Well, considering his age and career numbers, there's a pretty strong chance he'll have a significantly worse year this year than last. That said, I'd hardly call this "selling high."

[Guest]

how are people saying this is anything other than an awful, awful trade for the braves? vazquez was a top 5 pitcher in the NL last season and they get a mediocre cf and a reliever? i understand they get salary relief, but wow. there's no reason they shouldn't have gotten much better talent back to go with that salary relief.

 

Unless nobody else could afford to trade for an expensive pitcher in 2010.

 

then they should have just kept him. did they HAVE to dump salary this offseason?

 

either way, i find it hard to believe nobody else was willing to take on that 13 mil for vazquez.

 

The only explanation I can come up with is Atlanta's owner is broke, and the Yanks are the only team that can afford that contract. I've got nothing else.

 

Well, considering his age and career numbers, there's a pretty strong chance he'll have a significantly worse year this year than last. That said, I'd hardly call this "selling high."

 

You probably didn't mean to quote me, but I never said they "sold high". In fact, my post implies that they sold extremely low. There was no market for him, but it appears as though they had to get rid of him. If they didn't have to get rid of him, they could have just signed a similar outfielder through free agency.

[Guancous]

Does this mean that Jordan Schafer or Nate McLouth is available for trade? I'd prefer Schafer because he's cheaper, younger and a better defender. What would it take to get him in a trade?

[jersey cubs fan]

The only explanation I can come up with is Atlanta's owner is broke, and the Yanks are the only team that can afford that contract. I've got nothing else.

 

I believe they ended up in the hands of Liberty Media after all the Time Warner, TBS, Ted Turner fallout and whatnot. Unlike Turner Media, or even Tribune, Liberty Media can't have much if any reason to give a crap about the results of the Atlanta Braves.

[dew1679666265]

The only explanation I can come up with is Atlanta's owner is broke, and the Yanks are the only team that can afford that contract. I've got nothing else.

 

I believe they ended up in the hands of Liberty Media after all the Time Warner, TBS, Ted Turner fallout and whatnot. Unlike Turner Media, or even Tribune, Liberty Media can't have much if any reason to give a crap about the results of the Atlanta Braves.

 

Yeah, they've been in the process of dicing payroll for a couple of years or so. Wren should probably take them into a bit of a rebuilding process, but his current goal appears to be mediocrity until they increase payroll again.

[dew1679666265]

You probably didn't mean to quote me, but I never said they "sold high". In fact, my post implies that they sold extremely low. There was no market for him, but it appears as though they had to get rid of him. If they didn't have to get rid of him, they could have just signed a similar outfielder through free agency.

 

This morning on Mike and Mike, Olney was on and said that the Braves were trying hard for a while now to dump Derek Lowe's contract. Nobody would bite, though, so they shipped out Vazquez instead.

 

According to Olney, they have a big bat in mind with the money they saved.

[jersey cubs fan]

The only explanation I can come up with is Atlanta's owner is broke, and the Yanks are the only team that can afford that contract. I've got nothing else.

 

I believe they ended up in the hands of Liberty Media after all the Time Warner, TBS, Ted Turner fallout and whatnot. Unlike Turner Media, or even Tribune, Liberty Media can't have much if any reason to give a crap about the results of the Atlanta Braves.

 

Yeah, they've been in the process of dicing payroll for a couple of years or so. Wren should probably take them into a bit of a rebuilding process, but his current goal appears to be mediocrity until they increase payroll again.

 

They've done that a couple times this decade I believe. Very difficult to have a longterm plan with such up and down payroll movement. Hendry complains about not being able to add much, imagine what he'd do if he actually had to cut payroll.

[dew1679666265]

The only explanation I can come up with is Atlanta's owner is broke, and the Yanks are the only team that can afford that contract. I've got nothing else.

 

I believe they ended up in the hands of Liberty Media after all the Time Warner, TBS, Ted Turner fallout and whatnot. Unlike Turner Media, or even Tribune, Liberty Media can't have much if any reason to give a crap about the results of the Atlanta Braves.

 

Yeah, they've been in the process of dicing payroll for a couple of years or so. Wren should probably take them into a bit of a rebuilding process, but his current goal appears to be mediocrity until they increase payroll again.

 

They've done that a couple times this decade I believe. Very difficult to have a longterm plan with such up and down payroll movement. Hendry complains about not being able to add much, imagine what he'd do if he actually had to cut payroll.

 

With outliers of 2003 and 2008, they've been right in the $86-90 million range. I was surprised to see 2008 at $102-million, though, and with Cot's saying 2009 payroll was at $96 million, maybe they're starting to raise it again.

 

Their payroll has been odd for a few years now, though.

[sweetpeteman]

From MLBTR:

 

 

Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News says (via Twitter) that the Cubs were willing to take on Kei Igawa's salary (two years, $8MM) before the Yanks acquired Javier Vazquez.

 

 

 

 

What? Why the hell would... ergh.

[davearm2]

From MLBTR:

 

 

Mark Feinsand of the New York Daily News says (via Twitter) that the Cubs were willing to take on Kei Igawa's salary (two years, $8MM) before the Yanks acquired Javier Vazquez.

 

 

 

 

What? Why the hell would... ergh.

Well they weren't going to do it out of the goodness of their heart... they would've gotten something else with Igawa.

 

The way the blurb ends, it's reasonable to assume that something might've been Melky Cabrera.

[Sever82]

 

The way the blurb ends, it's reasonable to assume that something might've been Melky Cabrera.

 

I highly doubt that. I think the cubs asked for more than just Cabrera. If all the cubs asked for was Igawa and cabrera for Zambrano? I'm pretty sure the yankees would've said yes. that would've been a bad trade for the cubs. I'm guessing the cubs maybe asked for hughes, chamberlain or Cano in the deal. According to Heyman, the cubs asking price was too high, asking for Igawa and Cabrera is not a high asking price.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

The way the blurb ends, it's reasonable to assume that something might've been Melky Cabrera.

 

I highly doubt that. I think the cubs asked for more than just Cabrera. If all the cubs asked for was Igawa and cabrera for Zambrano? I'm pretty sure the yankees would've said yes. that would've been a bad trade for the cubs. I'm guessing the cubs maybe asked for hughes, chamberlain or Cano in the deal. According to Heyman, the cubs asking price was too high, asking for Igawa and Cabrera is not a high asking price.

 

I'm going to assume even the Cubs weren't stupid enough to offer Zambrano for Igawa and Cabrera.

[Sever82]

 

The way the blurb ends, it's reasonable to assume that something might've been Melky Cabrera.

 

I highly doubt that. I think the cubs asked for more than just Cabrera. If all the cubs asked for was Igawa and cabrera for Zambrano? I'm pretty sure the yankees would've said yes. that would've been a bad trade for the cubs. I'm guessing the cubs maybe asked for hughes, chamberlain or Cano in the deal. According to Heyman, the cubs asking price was too high, asking for Igawa and Cabrera is not a high asking price.

 

I'm going to assume even the Cubs weren't stupid enough to offer Zambrano for Igawa and Cabrera.

 

Thats pretty much my point, you can say Zambrano is overpaid but he is worth way more than just an average Cf and a highly overpaid lefty.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

The way the blurb ends, it's reasonable to assume that something might've been Melky Cabrera.

 

I highly doubt that. I think the cubs asked for more than just Cabrera. If all the cubs asked for was Igawa and cabrera for Zambrano? I'm pretty sure the yankees would've said yes. that would've been a bad trade for the cubs. I'm guessing the cubs maybe asked for hughes, chamberlain or Cano in the deal. According to Heyman, the cubs asking price was too high, asking for Igawa and Cabrera is not a high asking price.

 

I'm going to assume even the Cubs weren't stupid enough to offer Zambrano for Igawa and Cabrera.

 

Thats pretty much my point, you can say Zambrano is overpaid but he is worth way more than just an average Cf and a highly overpaid lefty.

 

Where did you hear that this was the offer? You are the only one I've read who has said it. I didn't see Zambrano's name mentioned.

[Sever82]

 

The way the blurb ends, it's reasonable to assume that something might've been Melky Cabrera.

 

I highly doubt that. I think the cubs asked for more than just Cabrera. If all the cubs asked for was Igawa and cabrera for Zambrano? I'm pretty sure the yankees would've said yes. that would've been a bad trade for the cubs. I'm guessing the cubs maybe asked for hughes, chamberlain or Cano in the deal. According to Heyman, the cubs asking price was too high, asking for Igawa and Cabrera is not a high asking price.

 

I'm going to assume even the Cubs weren't stupid enough to offer Zambrano for Igawa and Cabrera.

 

Thats pretty much my point, you can say Zambrano is overpaid but he is worth way more than just an average Cf and a highly overpaid lefty.

 

Where did you hear that this was the offer? You are the only one I've read who has said it. I didn't see Zambrano's name mentioned.

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/report-yankees-inquired-about-cubs-zambrano.html

 

 

Mark Feinsand posted on Twitter that the cubs were willing to eat Igawas contract. From the posts above, someone suggested that cabrera was probably the other player in the trade which is a safe assumption. My argument was that since the yankees didnt pursue a trade because the cubs asked for too much, than it was probably because they asked for something more than just Igawa, Cabrera, and maybe a bigger name.

[TruffleShuffle]

You probably didn't mean to quote me, but I never said they "sold high". In fact, my post implies that they sold extremely low. There was no market for him, but it appears as though they had to get rid of him. If they didn't have to get rid of him, they could have just signed a similar outfielder through free agency.

 

This morning on Mike and Mike, Olney was on and said that the Braves were trying hard for a while now to dump Derek Lowe's contract. Nobody would bite, though, so they shipped out Vazquez instead.

 

i would have taken derek lowe for milton bradley in a heartbeat.

[Guancous]

You probably didn't mean to quote me, but I never said they "sold high". In fact, my post implies that they sold extremely low. There was no market for him, but it appears as though they had to get rid of him. If they didn't have to get rid of him, they could have just signed a similar outfielder through free agency.

 

This morning on Mike and Mike, Olney was on and said that the Braves were trying hard for a while now to dump Derek Lowe's contract. Nobody would bite, though, so they shipped out Vazquez instead.

 

i would have taken derek lowe for milton bradley in a heartbeat.

 

That would make too much sense for both teams. I'm guessing the Braves were the ones who hung up on that one.

[RedFlash]

 

i would have taken derek lowe for milton bradley in a heartbeat.

 

That would make too much sense for both teams. I'm guessing the Braves were the ones who hung up on that one.

 

 

Milton Bradley in Atlanta would have had great chance of becoming a epic disaster especially during Bobby Cox's farewell tour. Not a chance that Frank Wren would have done that to Bobby.

[dew1679666265]

You probably didn't mean to quote me, but I never said they "sold high". In fact, my post implies that they sold extremely low. There was no market for him, but it appears as though they had to get rid of him. If they didn't have to get rid of him, they could have just signed a similar outfielder through free agency.

 

This morning on Mike and Mike, Olney was on and said that the Braves were trying hard for a while now to dump Derek Lowe's contract. Nobody would bite, though, so they shipped out Vazquez instead.

 

i would have taken derek lowe for milton bradley in a heartbeat.

 

Over Silva, yeah. But I don't like that contract at all.

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You probably didn't mean to quote me, but I never said they "sold high". In fact, my post implies that they sold extremely low. There was no market for him, but it appears as though they had to get rid of him. If they didn't have to get rid of him, they could have just signed a similar outfielder through free agency.

 

This morning on Mike and Mike, Olney was on and said that the Braves were trying hard for a while now to dump Derek Lowe's contract. Nobody would bite, though, so they shipped out Vazquez instead.

 

i would have taken derek lowe for milton bradley in a heartbeat.

 

Over Silva, yeah. But I don't like that contract at all.

 

lowe is making 15 mil for the next 3 seasons. i'd much rather have silva.