Lackey Signs 5 Year Deal with Red Sox

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apparently the Red Sox are working on contract language that protects them in case of pre-existing injury

 

something tells me that this protection will be a little better than bradley's "75 games and the 3rd year is guaranteed" deal

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i don't think i'd give a big five-year deal to a pitcher who missed some time in the two most recent seasons with elbow problems. maybe it's nothing but it's concerning.

 

I agree that his past two seasons shouldn't warrant that contract. 5 years? Maybe, based on reputation alone... but for that ridiculous amount? Eh, not so much.

 

This is a fun game. It's called Which of these stats belongs to John Lackey and which one belongs to Gavin Floyd. Both are combined stats from 08 and 09 (stats rounded to nearest hundredth of a decimal)... aaaaaaaaand GO!

 

Statline 1: 117 ERA+ | 1.25 WHIP | 4.27 FIP

Statline 2: 118 ERA+ | 1.25 WHIP | 4.13 FIP

 

One of those stat lines is worth $16.5 million a year, and the other is... well, Gavin Floyd.

 

fangraphs has floyd as being worth a combined $31.3 million combined over the last 2 years

[The Logan]

i don't think i'd give a big five-year deal to a pitcher who missed some time in the two most recent seasons with elbow problems. maybe it's nothing but it's concerning.

 

I agree that his past two seasons shouldn't warrant that contract. 5 years? Maybe, based on reputation alone... but for that ridiculous amount? Eh, not so much.

 

This is a fun game. It's called Which of these stats belongs to John Lackey and which one belongs to Gavin Floyd. Both are combined stats from 08 and 09 (stats rounded to nearest hundredth of a decimal)... aaaaaaaaand GO!

 

Statline 1: 117 ERA+ | 1.25 WHIP | 4.27 FIP

Statline 2: 118 ERA+ | 1.25 WHIP | 4.13 FIP

 

One of those stat lines is worth $16.5 million a year, and the other is... well, Gavin Floyd.

 

fangraphs has floyd as being worth a combined $31.3 million combined over the last 2 years

 

And John Lackey has been considered to be Cy Young caliber while Gavin Floyd is... well, Gavin Floyd. It wasn't a knock against Gavin Floyd, I was making a point that Lackey's media hype has led him to a very lucrative contract where he's expected to produce similarly to guys like Greinke or Sabathia, and instead he's producing like Gavin Floyd. Not a bad thing, per se, but I feel Lackey is vastly overpaid because he's still riding the coattails of his great 2007 when he has been producing at a lower quality while being an injury risk the last two.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

And John Lackey has been considered to be Cy Young caliber

 

By who? The media?

 

Number of times John Lackey has been in the top 10 of Cy Young voting: 1

[The Logan]

And John Lackey has been considered to be Cy Young caliber

 

By who? The media?

 

Well yeah. He's widely considered the Angels ace of the last 3 years, and SportsCenter has covered his injuries as well as his free agency like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. He's a #1 pitcher for a major market team who had a Cy Young caliber season followed by some injury plagued seasons, so they wonder if he'll regain his Cy Young caliber form.

[BigbadB1679666149]

And John Lackey has been considered to be Cy Young caliber

 

By who? The media?

 

Number of times John Lackey has been in the top 10 of Cy Young voting: 1

 

You convinced me to look him up. I was shocked at what I found. Without looking, I could have sworn his stats would have had him up there among the elite prior to his injury, but he really only has had one REALLY decent season.

[The Logan]

And John Lackey has been considered to be Cy Young caliber

 

By who? The media?

 

Number of times John Lackey has been in the top 10 of Cy Young voting: 1

 

You convinced me to look him up. I was shocked at what I found. Without looking, I could have sworn his stats would have had him up there among the elite prior to his injury, but he really only has had one REALLY decent season.

 

Exactly. He's not that great. He's not bad by any means, but I don't think he's anywhere near worthy a $16.5 million a year contract. Especially when you factor in health. But like Derwood said about the Red Sox working out some sort of injury protection clause it sounds like the health factor won't be an issue for them. Even during his "Cy Young caliber" season he didn't really have an "elite" year, but I for one always hear his name mentioned in the same breath as one of the best pitchers in baseball, when he's really not

[Rob]

Lackey is an excellent #2 who has still eaten a lot of innings even when he's been injured the last two seasons.

[TruffleShuffle]

And John Lackey has been considered to be Cy Young caliber

 

By who? The media?

 

Number of times John Lackey has been in the top 10 of Cy Young voting: 1

 

You convinced me to look him up. I was shocked at what I found. Without looking, I could have sworn his stats would have had him up there among the elite prior to his injury, but he really only has had one REALLY decent season.

 

that's understating things quite a bit. he's generally good for a FIP in the mid 3's, which makes him a good #2 starter.

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this thread makes me think that lackey is underrated, not overrated