Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[Magnetic Curses]

i think he's an instant major upgrade to either of the guys we have right now, plus he's a better center than kreutz.

[cubweiser03]

I agree with everything Jersey said on page 1 with regards to Cowher, the defense in the nfl, and the importance of a passing offense. The one thing to remember about Cowher and his SB teams is Dick Labeau, i truly believe he is the reason they were so good on defense and not Cowher. DL is the wizard behind the curtain for the Steelers, Tomlin gets all the credit too but its Dick who makes that team go. One thing i do like about Cowher is he isnt afraid to fire his coaches if they are sucking.

 

Finding the next Sean Payton, easier said than done, is the way to go (im very jealous of the saints). Find an offense first HC. Weis is a good band-aid and if he works out i could see him staying awhile because i dont think he will get an HC job again, kinda like Lebeau. Kubiak, will he get fired, will he get another HC job? Id like him as a OC very much too.

 

Personel wise (i havent looked at the FA list yet) id like for them to go big time OL more than a WR. IF they dont get rid of RTurner i dont think anything matters though. Ogun is gone after this and is nice cap relief, if they go defense id like for it to be a RDE.

[kujay]

IF they dont get rid of RTurner i dont think anything matters though.

 

If they don't fire Ron Turner after this debacle of a season I may just turn in my bears zubaz and find a new team.

[Magnetic Curses]

IF they dont get rid of RTurner i dont think anything matters though.

 

If they don't fire Ron Turner after this debacle of a season I may just turn in my bears zubaz and find a new team.

 

turner doesn't need to be fired because his contract is up, it just won't be renewed and i think it's pretty much a slam-dunk that it won't be.

 

weis would be an excellent choice.

[gflore34]

As has been stated or written Lovie must go, he can dance around questions regarding his crappy game plans and players but, shitty or not, there's no excuse for the plethora of penalities and mental mistakes. Lovie and only Lovie is responsible, even poor teams can still manage not commit dumb penalty after dumb penalty.

[Banedon]

Bears general manager Jerry Angelo commented about mysterious rookie receiver Juaquin Iglesias during an interview with the team's Web site: "Unfortunately, we can't get Juaquin Iglesias on the field because we only dress four (receivers) as a rule on Sunday. If you were to see him given how he has been practicing, he would come in and produce and be a good football player for us as well. It really is a position of strength."

 

Sounds like WR is a position they'll probably leave as-is.

[soapy]

Bears general manager Jerry Angelo commented about mysterious rookie receiver Juaquin Iglesias during an interview with the team's Web site: "Unfortunately, we can't get Juaquin Iglesias on the field because we only dress four (receivers) as a rule on Sunday. If you were to see him given how he has been practicing, he would come in and produce and be a good football player for us as well. It really is a position of strength."

 

Sounds like WR is a position they'll probably leave as-is.

 

they can only fill so many holes in one off-season, particularly with no picks in the first two rounds. they don't really have much choice, IMO. at least WR is a position with several young guys who might develop.

[Banedon]

Bears general manager Jerry Angelo commented about mysterious rookie receiver Juaquin Iglesias during an interview with the team's Web site: "Unfortunately, we can't get Juaquin Iglesias on the field because we only dress four (receivers) as a rule on Sunday. If you were to see him given how he has been practicing, he would come in and produce and be a good football player for us as well. It really is a position of strength."

 

Sounds like WR is a position they'll probably leave as-is.

 

they can only fill so many holes in one off-season, particularly with no picks in the first two rounds. they don't really have much choice, IMO. at least WR is a position with several young guys who might develop.

 

Yeah...I wasn't really criticizing it. I mean if one falls into your lap through free agency, or trade or something, then fine...but it's definitely not the biggest priority. I've said this several times before, but for me, the biggest priority has got to be O-line.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

Yeah...I wasn't really criticizing it. I mean if one falls into your lap through free agency, or trade or something, then fine...but it's definitely not the biggest priority. I've said this several times before, but for me, the biggest priority has got to be O-line.

 

it will be fairly easy for them to revamp their o-line in the offseason in terms of the free agent pool. unfortunately, they're going to have to throw money at guards instead of tackles. i don't think omiyale's future is at guard and i think beekman's future is at center. the williams experiment will continue at LT, which is probably the only certainty, well, that and garza being out the door.

[Old Style]

#1 priority has to be OL

#2 & #3 would be the secondary & DL

 

I actually like our WR group. They need to get better, but I think there is plenty of talent there and they are very young. I'm a little concerned about RB, but improving the OL should greatly help that situation. The deepest position on the team is LB, IMO.

[Banedon]

The deepest position on the team is LB, IMO.

 

You know, I thought that coming into the season, and it's probably true, but we sure used all of the depth we had this year.

 

TE is really deep too, even if Turner doesn't know how to properly take advantage of it. Olsen has got to learn to block better though.

[Tyrant]

Bears general manager Jerry Angelo commented about mysterious rookie receiver Juaquin Iglesias during an interview with the team's Web site: "Unfortunately, we can't get Juaquin Iglesias on the field because we only dress four (receivers) as a rule on Sunday. If you were to see him given how he has been practicing, he would come in and produce and be a good football player for us as well. It really is a position of strength."

 

Sounds like WR is a position they'll probably leave as-is.

 

WR is a position of strength? That's delusional on Angelo's part. Completely delusional.

[jersey cubs fan]

Bears general manager Jerry Angelo commented about mysterious rookie receiver Juaquin Iglesias during an interview with the team's Web site: "Unfortunately, we can't get Juaquin Iglesias on the field because we only dress four (receivers) as a rule on Sunday. If you were to see him given how he has been practicing, he would come in and produce and be a good football player for us as well. It really is a position of strength."

 

Sounds like WR is a position they'll probably leave as-is.

 

WR is a position of strength? That's delusional on Angelo's part. Completely delusional.

 

from a quantity standpoint, I agree with him. they have several nfl caliber receivers. What they don't have is the one stud to dominate a game. Without a stud RB, or a high quality line, that leaves the offense as a whole lacking. Forte is never going to be a guy you have to game plan around. You can't have an offense with every skill position player being good enough, but not of them great. And that's what the Bears have at every running and receiving position.

[SpongeWorthy]

The receivers are the worst unit on the team.

[jersey cubs fan]

The receivers are the worst unit on the team.

 

offensive line without question. There are no receiver stars, but there are a couple guys capable of being solid 2s. The line is completely inept.

 

I will not debate this.

[Tyrant]

from a quantity standpoint, I agree with him. they have several nfl caliber receivers. What they don't have is the one stud to dominate a game. Without a stud RB, or a high quality line, that leaves the offense as a whole lacking. Forte is never going to be a guy you have to game plan around. You can't have an offense with every skill position player being good enough, but not of them great. And that's what the Bears have at every running and receiving position.

 

Quantity, I guess. But as you said, they don't have a top-flight guy or anyone close. Even with the "depth," It's still one of the five worst WR corps in the NFL.

[SpongeWorthy]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

 

The Bears don't have a single receiver that is league average. That's horrible.

[Old Style]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

 

The Bears don't have a single receiver that is league average. That's horrible.

But how much of that is on the receivers? Cutler has been horrible and there has been virtually no running game to balance the offense. I'm not saying that the WR group is outstanding, but I think there is plenty of talent there. It's just not being utilized right now for a variety of reasons. I wouldn't be adverse to adding a top flight WR this off-season, but if resources are limited I think there are many more pressings needs for this team.

[Tyrant]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

 

The Bears don't have a single receiver that is league average. That's horrible.

But how much of that is on the receivers? Cutler has been horrible and there has been virtually no running game to balance the offense. I'm not saying that the WR group is outstanding, but I think there is plenty of talent there. It's just not being utilized right now for a variety of reasons. I wouldn't be adverse to adding a top flight WR this off-season, but if resources are limited I think there are many more pressings needs for this team.

 

A big part of the reason Cutler has been "horrible" is because his receivers can't get open, cut off their routes, fall down all the time, can't catch, whatever.

[Magnetic Curses]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

 

The Bears don't have a single receiver that is league average. That's horrible.

 

okay, so go get vincent jackson no matter what the cost. i'm on board with that.

[UMFan83]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

 

The Bears don't have a single receiver that is league average. That's horrible.

 

And that same site lists the Bears o-line as 26th/32. There are problems all over the field. I have the opinion that a good offensive line can make receivers better than good receivers can make an offensive line.

[Banedon]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

 

The Bears don't have a single receiver that is league average. That's horrible.

 

And that same site lists the Bears o-line as 26th/32. There are problems all over the field. I have the opinion that a good offensive line can make receivers better than good receivers can make an offensive line.

 

Exactly. The routes a receiver can run are severely limited when the QB has no time to allow the receivers to make their moves.

[WrigleyField 22]

The WR position isn't a huge strength, but unlike most of out other needs it can be filled with just one person, that person just needs to be a legit number one. Drafting one in the 3rd round for instance, does nothing.

 

Basically its Marshall/Jackson or bust for me. If not one of them, might as well take the young guys we have for another year.

 

OL probably needs at least 2 new additions, and another one or two in following year or two. Actually Beekman is the only on I feel comfortable penciling in past 2010. And even then thats still just pencil. Williams I'm fine penciling in for next year, but if he doesn't improve...

 

My current off season plan.

 

1. Bring in new coach and staff. If they're willing to blow money on a big name thats good, but if we need to be cheap then take a chance on a first time head coach. Anything but our current situation.

2. Sign Marshall (unlikely) or Vincent Jackson.

3. Trade Hester for best set of picks you can. We have depth and a new #1, so it doesn't hurt. Selling high too.

4. Trade Briggs for best set of picks you can. This hurts, but we're probably selling high here as well, and have depth at LB.

5. Sign the best OL you can, whether it be G or T. No old guys either.

With our draft focus our first few picks (hopefully Hester and Briggs net us a 2nd and 3rd at least) focus on OL and DL.

 

Offense would look like:

Cutler, Hanie

Forte, Bell, Draft Pick

McKie or whatever

Jackson, Bennett, Knox, Aroshoyourmomma, Enrique

Olsen, Clark, Davis

Williams, Beekman, Kruetz (don't necessarily want him, but he aint going anywhere), Draft Pick, FA, other draft picks

 

Defense is hard to say because a new coach might bring in the 3-4. I'll just assume a 4-3 though.

Brown, Harris, Harrison, Pool Boy, Adams, Draft Picks (Gaines Adams and Anderson need to prove worth), perhaps Melton

Roach, Williams, Urlacher, Pisa (if we think he recovers from injuries), maybe Hunter

Tillman, Graham, Bowman (cut Vasher)

Afalava, Payne, Manning, draft picks

The defense is filled out with other draft picks and a couple FA signings.

 

If by chance we brought in a new system, almost no one is a guarantee on that Defense. I think Alex Brown would do well as a DE in the 3-4. Adams/Harrison can probably play NT. Harris I'm not sure about. Anderson and Gaines Adams actually stand a better chance with a switch to OLB. DBs probably don't change much.

[SpongeWorthy]

I guess we can hold out hope that the Bears management will have a change of heart and start throwing around gobs of money in a potentially uncapped year. Jackson or Marshall would be god sends. Mankins too.

[Magnetic Curses]

I guess we can hold out hope that the Bears management will have a change of heart and start throwing around gobs of money in a potentially uncapped year. Jackson or Marshall would be god sends. Mankins too.

 

and i don't know why we have to keep kreutz, without a cap, there is no hit, right?

 

mankins, another OG, jackson would be my wish list. and i still think cutler has a rep in the league as being a guy receivers want throwing to them, especially marshall--although i'll take jackson because of the fact that he's not a complete maniac who will probably end up murdering someone some day.