07/30 Astros (Ortiz) @ Cubs (Hart) 1:20 CT, WGN TV

[David]

Hey guys, in case your didnt know there is a game going on right now. Can we stop the Hendry crap here, its a dead horse that keeps gettin beat. Cubs are winning lets have fun

 

Hendry crap is the Astros?

 

 

lol

[illiniguy]

 

The Wuertz and Pierre trades are the only two I really don't like. Even the Gregg trade has turned out pretty well for us, so far.

 

 

Remember when almost everyone except me thought that cutting ties with Wood and not offering him arbitration and acquiring Gregg to replace Marmol in the setup role as Marmol (inevitably) closed was a terrible idea?

 

 

I do.

the arbitration part is still terrible.

Edited July 30, 2009 by illiniguy

[erik316wttn]

 

The Wuertz and Pierre trades are the only two I really don't like. Even the Gregg trade has turned out pretty well for us, so far.

 

 

Remember when almost everyone except me thought that cutting ties with Wood and not offering him arbitration and acquiring Gregg to replace Marmol in the setup role as Marmol (inevitably) closed was a terrible idea?

 

 

I do.

 

You could debate cutting ties with him. But not offering him arbitration, which if he turns down we get 2 draft picks, is inexcusable.

[jersey cubs fan]

 

The Wuertz and Pierre trades are the only two I really don't like. Even the Gregg trade has turned out pretty well for us, so far.

 

 

Remember when almost everyone except me thought that cutting ties with Wood and not offering him arbitration and acquiring Gregg to replace Marmol in the setup role as Marmol (inevitably) closed was a terrible idea?

 

 

I do.

 

You thought not offering arbitration to Wood was a good idea? And you are bragging about it?

[David]

This is the kind of trade he will be making for Grabow. I wouldn't worry about him overpaying.

 

Why not? He's an idiot. And he does it all the time. He doesn't need a freaking LH reliever yet we all know that when he gets his mind set on something he will get it and overpay for it.

How many times has he overpayed in terms of prospects in trades? 2 or 3?

 

Gregg (Ceda has been hurt all season and Gregg has been pretty good)

Wuertz (completely indefensible)

Pierre (Even that got us Donaldson who was the second piece in the Harden trade, but I won't try to justify this trade)

 

His entire MO is to overpay for everything. I will worry about him overpaying every time he talks to another team. It's what he does.

 

 

He didn't overpay for Lee, Ramirez, Harden, DeRosa (in dollars), Lilly, etc.

 

But I'm no big fan of Jim Hendry.

[Vanilla Ice]

This is the kind of trade he will be making for Grabow. I wouldn't worry about him overpaying.

 

Why not? He's an idiot. And he does it all the time. He doesn't need a freaking LH reliever yet we all know that when he gets his mind set on something he will get it and overpay for it.

How many times has he overpayed in terms of prospects in trades? 2 or 3?

 

Gregg (Ceda has been hurt all season and Gregg has been pretty good)

Wuertz (completely indefensible)

Pierre (Even that got us Donaldson who was the second piece in the Harden trade, but I won't try to justify this trade)

 

His entire MO is to overpay for everything. I will worry about him overpaying every time he talks to another team. It's what he does.

How many times has he given up a good prospect for somebody like Grabow or overpayed in trades at all? You've never answered that.

[erik316wttn]

Oh, and this is late, but good on Hart for not giving any of those runs back last inning.

[David]

 

The Wuertz and Pierre trades are the only two I really don't like. Even the Gregg trade has turned out pretty well for us, so far.

 

 

Remember when almost everyone except me thought that cutting ties with Wood and not offering him arbitration and acquiring Gregg to replace Marmol in the setup role as Marmol (inevitably) closed was a terrible idea?

 

 

I do.

 

You thought not offering arbitration to Wood was a good idea? And you are bragging about it?

 

 

Considering the lack of attention he got in the market and the risk that he would accept it to stick around and get a pretty nice chunk of salary, I had no problem with it.

 

Having Kerry Wood back at the salary he would've gotten would have been a bad thing.

[Sammy Sofa]

You could debate cutting ties with him. But not offering him arbitration, which if he turns down we get 2 draft picks, is inexcusable.

 

You absolutely no clue how much Wood would have made if he accepted, do you?

[Guest]

 

The Wuertz and Pierre trades are the only two I really don't like. Even the Gregg trade has turned out pretty well for us, so far.

 

 

Remember when almost everyone except me thought that cutting ties with Wood and not offering him arbitration and acquiring Gregg to replace Marmol in the setup role as Marmol (inevitably) closed was a terrible idea?

 

 

I do.

the arbitration part is still terrible.

 

This I agree with. I'd have taken the risk of him accepting a 1 year deal.

 

He better offer Gregg arbitration.

[Vanilla Ice]

 

The Wuertz and Pierre trades are the only two I really don't like. Even the Gregg trade has turned out pretty well for us, so far.

 

 

Remember when almost everyone except me thought that cutting ties with Wood and not offering him arbitration and acquiring Gregg to replace Marmol in the setup role as Marmol (inevitably) closed was a terrible idea?

 

 

I do.

I hated it too, he should have offered arbitration. Ceda has not pitched at all this year and Gregg has been pretty good for us, though. It was a stupid idea that turned out OK. So, we have 3 trades his entire tenure. Two that fit the bill of overpaying for a major league part.

[OleMissCub]

that Cubbie Bear is pretty cool

[Sammy Sofa]

Ron Santo and his bear are adorable.

[jersey cubs fan]

How many times has he given up a good prospect for somebody like Grabow or overpayed in trades at all? You've never answered that.

 

How many times has he traded for Grabow? He gave up a draft pick when going after Latroy Hawkins. He usually signs free agent relievers, he hasn't had to trade for many. But just because he didn't overspend on Harden I'm supposed to feel confident he won't do that with a freaking reliever he doesn't need? Acquiring him is overpaying. It's up to Hendry to prove he won't overpay. I don't have to assume he'll do the right thing.

[David]

You could debate cutting ties with him. But not offering him arbitration, which if he turns down we get 2 draft picks, is inexcusable.

 

You absolutely no clue how much Wood would have made if he accepted, do you?

 

 

This.

[erik316wttn]

You could debate cutting ties with him. But not offering him arbitration, which if he turns down we get 2 draft picks, is inexcusable.

 

You absolutely no clue how much Wood would have made if he accepted, do you?

 

Arbitration can't be less than like 80% of his salary, correct?

 

So approximately 8 million or so? Still would have been worth it.

[cheapseats]

Aardsma for Cotts.

[jersey cubs fan]

You could debate cutting ties with him. But not offering him arbitration, which if he turns down we get 2 draft picks, is inexcusable.

 

You absolutely no clue how much Wood would have made if he accepted, do you?

 

 

This.

 

He was looking for and got a multi year deal. Why are people assuming he would accept arbitration?

[David]

Barrett is another example of a great value that Hendry got.

[E.J.]

Theriot really needs to be playing 2b. He has no range at SS.

[David]

You could debate cutting ties with him. But not offering him arbitration, which if he turns down we get 2 draft picks, is inexcusable.

 

You absolutely no clue how much Wood would have made if he accepted, do you?

 

 

This.

 

He was looking for and got a multi year deal. Why are people assuming he would accept arbitration?

 

 

Given the market conditions and his apparent love for the team it was a pretty real risk.

Edited July 30, 2009 by David

[Vanilla Ice]

How many times has he given up a good prospect for somebody like Grabow or overpayed in trades at all? You've never answered that.

 

How many times has he traded for Grabow? He gave up a draft pick when going after Latroy Hawkins. He usually signs free agent relievers, he hasn't had to trade for many. But just because he didn't overspend on Harden I'm supposed to feel confident he won't do that with a freaking reliever he doesn't need? Acquiring him is overpaying. It's up to Hendry to prove he won't overpay. I don't have to assume he'll do the right thing.

Nobody is saying he is good at signing people. Nobody. I don't know why you keep bringing his screwups in that arena up. He has over payed twice ever in trades when acquiring a major league player. Only one didn't turn out well. He is pretty good at not overpaying in trades. I don't see how this is hard to understand.

[haubrich91]

2:56pm: Dejan Kovacevic of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the Cubs and Pirates are discussing a deal that would send Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny to Chicago. No deal is in place and other teams remain interested in Grabow.

 

OMG YES!

[jersey cubs fan]

5 innings from Hart, I'll take it.

[CyHawk_Cub]

Barrett is another example of a great value that Hendry got.

 

and I'm kinda hopeful Kyler Burke can continue developing...seems to be doing well in Peoria, though guys like Raisin would know a helluva lot more about that kind of thing....