2 Seperate Trade Proposals

[Backtobanks]

1.Cubs send Fontenot, Cotts, Heilman, Prospect to Pirates for Sanchez and Grabow.

 

2.Cubs send Harden to Rockies for Seth Smith plus prospect.

 

Cubs add salary in 2009 with Sanchez and Grabow (app. $4.5 million) but subtract app. $4.3 million by trading Harden, Cotts, Heilman.

 

Pirates dump salary and get younger at 2B, LHRP, and with prospect.

 

Rockies get dominant SP in Harden.

 

Cubs:

1. Sanchez takes over at 2B repacing Fontenot.

2. Smith gets a lot of playing time in all 3 OF positions and pinch hitting offering power, average, and youth.

3. Grabow replaces Marshall in bullpen and Marshall goes to the rotation replacing Harden.

4. Guzman is set to return in bullpen to replace Heilman.

[apete6]

1.Cubs send Fontenot, Cotts, Heilman, Prospect to Pirates for Sanchez and Grabow.

 

2.Cubs send Harden to Rockies for Seth Smith plus prospect.

 

Cubs add salary in 2009 with Sanchez and Grabow (app. $4.5 million) but subtract app. $4.3 million by trading Harden, Cotts, Heilman.

 

Pirates dump salary and get younger at 2B, LHRP, and with prospect.

 

Rockies get dominant SP in Harden.

 

Cubs:

1. Sanchez takes over at 2B repacing Fontenot.

2. Smith gets a lot of playing time in all 3 OF positions and pinch hitting offering power, average, and youth.

3. Grabow replaces Marshall in bullpen and Marshall goes to the rotation replacing Harden.

4. Guzman is set to return in bullpen to replace Heilman.

 

1. As excited as I"m sure the Pirates would be to get a 25th man, the worst LHRP in the major leagues, and a terrible 30 something middle reliever, I think that prospect would have to be one hell of a player to get Sanchez alone, let alone Sanchez AND Grabow.

 

2. Wouldn't the Cubs be able to get a bit more for Harden than the Rockies 5th outfielder?

[A-Cal]

these are terrible trades

[Little Slide Rooter]

I think that Fontenot could be a start to work around a trade for Sanchez, but we'll have to add on a lot better than Heilman and Cotts.

[Tarver]

If we're giving up Fontenot, Cotts, AND Heilman, we sure as hell better be getting Pujols back.

[erik316wttn]

If we're giving up Fontenot, Cotts, AND Heilman, we sure as hell better be getting Pujols back.

 

I'd make them throw in Carpenter, too.

[Cubswin11]

Down with Hendry, up with Backtobanks.

 

Am I right? Or am I right?

[inari]

Jesus Christ, man. At least the Rockies would probably do the second trade.

[imb]

you guys won't believe this

 

last night i took the trash out to the garbage can. today, i get up and go out there and the garbage man left me a ps3!!!! i'm so excited.

[Backtobanks]

1.Cubs send Fontenot, Cotts, Heilman, Prospect to Pirates for Sanchez and Grabow.

 

2.Cubs send Harden to Rockies for Seth Smith plus prospect.

 

Cubs add salary in 2009 with Sanchez and Grabow (app. $4.5 million) but subtract app. $4.3 million by trading Harden, Cotts, Heilman.

 

Pirates dump salary and get younger at 2B, LHRP, and with prospect.

 

Rockies get dominant SP in Harden.

 

Cubs:

1. Sanchez takes over at 2B repacing Fontenot.

2. Smith gets a lot of playing time in all 3 OF positions and pinch hitting offering power, average, and youth.

3. Grabow replaces Marshall in bullpen and Marshall goes to the rotation replacing Harden.

4. Guzman is set to return in bullpen to replace Heilman.

 

1. As excited as I"m sure the Pirates would be to get a 25th man, the worst LHRP in the major leagues, and a terrible 30 something middle reliever, I think that prospect would have to be one hell of a player to get Sanchez alone, let alone Sanchez AND Grabow.

 

2. Wouldn't the Cubs be able to get a bit more for Harden than the Rockies 5th outfielder?

 

I think you are wrong in what it would take to get Sanchez. He is good, but he is being paid $6.2 million and in these tough economic times, not many teams can afford that. I would be surprised if they could get more than 1 good prospect and 1 decent prospect for him. Getting a ML-ready, young, cheap 2B (Fontenot) and a decent prospect would probably be enough. Grabow will probably get 1 decent prospect. Meanwhile, the Pirate team is hurting for pitching and are in the process of going young (again). The point of the two deals being done simultaneously was to try to neutralize the money situation. Harden (1/2 year) for Smith and a prospect (long term) isn't as one-sided as it sounds and would be necessary unless Hendry wins the lottery.

[umpunk]

1.Cubs send Fontenot, Cotts, Heilman, Prospect to Pirates for Sanchez and Grabow.

 

2.Cubs send Harden to Rockies for Seth Smith plus prospect.

 

Cubs add salary in 2009 with Sanchez and Grabow (app. $4.5 million) but subtract app. $4.3 million by trading Harden, Cotts, Heilman.

 

Pirates dump salary and get younger at 2B, LHRP, and with prospect.

 

Rockies get dominant SP in Harden.

 

Cubs:

1. Sanchez takes over at 2B repacing Fontenot.

2. Smith gets a lot of playing time in all 3 OF positions and pinch hitting offering power, average, and youth.

3. Grabow replaces Marshall in bullpen and Marshall goes to the rotation replacing Harden.

4. Guzman is set to return in bullpen to replace Heilman.

 

1. As excited as I"m sure the Pirates would be to get a 25th man, the worst LHRP in the major leagues, and a terrible 30 something middle reliever, I think that prospect would have to be one hell of a player to get Sanchez alone, let alone Sanchez AND Grabow.

 

2. Wouldn't the Cubs be able to get a bit more for Harden than the Rockies 5th outfielder?

 

I think you are wrong in what it would take to get Sanchez. He is good, but he is being paid $6.2 million and in these tough economic times, not many teams can afford that. I would be surprised if they could get more than 1 good prospect and 1 decent prospect for him. Getting a ML-ready, young, cheap 2B (Fontenot) and a decent prospect would probably be enough. Grabow will probably get 1 decent prospect. Meanwhile, the Pirate team is hurting for pitching and are in the process of going young (again). The point of the two deals being done simultaneously was to try to neutralize the money situation. Harden (1/2 year) for Smith and a prospect (long term) isn't as one-sided as it sounds and would be necessary unless Hendry wins the lottery.

 

So according to your own logic - to get Sanchez and Grabow, it would take 1 "good" prospect and 2 "decent" prospects (I disagree, but let's go with that). So to fill out your named requirements, you are sending an unnamed prospect, Fontenot (a back-up utility "prospect" who turns 30 in a week), Heilman (a 30 year-old middle relief pitcher who hasn't been labeled a "prospect" in about 4 years now), and Cotts (the best part about him is the fact he won't turn 30 until next spring).

[Backtobanks]

1.Cubs send Fontenot, Cotts, Heilman, Prospect to Pirates for Sanchez and Grabow.

 

2.Cubs send Harden to Rockies for Seth Smith plus prospect.

 

Cubs add salary in 2009 with Sanchez and Grabow (app. $4.5 million) but subtract app. $4.3 million by trading Harden, Cotts, Heilman.

 

Pirates dump salary and get younger at 2B, LHRP, and with prospect.

 

Rockies get dominant SP in Harden.

 

Cubs:

1. Sanchez takes over at 2B repacing Fontenot.

2. Smith gets a lot of playing time in all 3 OF positions and pinch hitting offering power, average, and youth.

3. Grabow replaces Marshall in bullpen and Marshall goes to the rotation replacing Harden.

4. Guzman is set to return in bullpen to replace Heilman.

 

1. As excited as I"m sure the Pirates would be to get a 25th man, the worst LHRP in the major leagues, and a terrible 30 something middle reliever, I think that prospect would have to be one hell of a player to get Sanchez alone, let alone Sanchez AND Grabow.

 

2. Wouldn't the Cubs be able to get a bit more for Harden than the Rockies 5th outfielder?

 

I think you are wrong in what it would take to get Sanchez. He is good, but he is being paid $6.2 million and in these tough economic times, not many teams can afford that. I would be surprised if they could get more than 1 good prospect and 1 decent prospect for him. Getting a ML-ready, young, cheap 2B (Fontenot) and a decent prospect would probably be enough. Grabow will probably get 1 decent prospect. Meanwhile, the Pirate team is hurting for pitching and are in the process of going young (again). The point of the two deals being done simultaneously was to try to neutralize the money situation. Harden (1/2 year) for Smith and a prospect (long term) isn't as one-sided as it sounds and would be necessary unless Hendry wins the lottery.

 

So according to your own logic - to get Sanchez and Grabow, it would take 1 "good" prospect and 2 "decent" prospects (I disagree, but let's go with that). So to fill out your named requirements, you are sending an unnamed prospect, Fontenot (a back-up utility "prospect" who turns 30 in a week), Heilman (a 30 year-old middle relief pitcher who hasn't been labeled a "prospect" in about 4 years now), and Cotts (the best part about him is the fact he won't turn 30 until next spring).

 

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Calling Fontenot a backup utility player is pretty inaccurate since he was considered a "starter" on the team most people considered the best team in the NL (on paper). I would assume he certainly would be a starter on the Pirates who haven't had a winning season in 15 years. While I agree about Cotts, a change of location might help him. As for Heilman, the Pirates could use him or flip him to another team for a prospect. The last player I said that about (Marquis) has turned out to be a pretty good deal for the Rockies already and when they trade him for prospects. The value of the unnamed prospect might be the biggest point of contention. I would think we should get an answer about Grabow because he most likely will be traded this month to somebody. Sanchez may not get traded now, but he probably will be during the offseason. He might get more in return in December, but he will be making $8 million next year (club option) which won't help his trade value.

[umpunk]

I guess we will have to agree to disagree. Calling Fontenot a backup utility player is pretty inaccurate since he was considered a "starter" on the team most people considered the best team in the NL (on paper). I would assume he certainly would be a starter on the Pirates who haven't had a winning season in 15 years. While I agree about Cotts, a change of location might help him. As for Heilman, the Pirates could use him or flip him to another team for a prospect. The last player I said that about (Marquis) has turned out to be a pretty good deal for the Rockies already and when they trade him for prospects. The value of the unnamed prospect might be the biggest point of contention. I would think we should get an answer about Grabow because he most likely will be traded this month to somebody. Sanchez may not get traded now, but he probably will be during the offseason. He might get more in return in December, but he will be making $8 million next year (club option) which won't help his trade value.

 

Yes, he most certainly was considered a starter. Or more accurately, most of us hoped he would be a decent starter. We now have a lot of evidence to suggest he isn't a very good everyday player. Even if the Pirates thought a change would do him well, he's hardly a prospect as he nears 30 (in 7 days). Fontenot isn't a bad player, he's just not a good player and he's certainly not somebody the Pirates would view as a center piece in trading two of their better chips. You can forget about unloading Heilman or Cotts - there is no reason whatsoever the Pirates would want them.

 

The basic problem in your argument is you are making two incorrect assumptions. First, that the Pirates need to dump salary to the point they are taking $.10 back on the dollar. Second, they only team they could trade with is the Cubs. If this were the case, yeah, your deal would be appealing to them. Of course, in reality many teams would jump at the chance to grab Sanchez or Grabow which would drive the price up.

[illiniguy]

you guys won't believe this

 

last night i took the trash out to the garbage can. today, i get up and go out there and the garbage man left me a ps3!!!! i'm so excited.

Dude, you better put something else out there tonight. Maybe score some games.

[Little Slide Rooter]

you guys won't believe this

 

last night i took the trash out to the garbage can. today, i get up and go out there and the garbage man left me a ps3!!!! i'm so excited.

 

Funny, similar thing happened to me, only the garbage man left me Mike Fontenot, Neil Cotts, and Aaron Heilman.

[A-Cal]

you guys won't believe this

 

last night i took the trash out to the garbage can. today, i get up and go out there and the garbage man left me a ps3!!!! i'm so excited.

 

Funny, similar thing happened to me, only the garbage man left me Mike Fontenot, Neil Cotts, and Aaron Heilman.

 

wasn't that the time you got drunk and threw away your new laptop?

[weis21]

you guys won't believe this

 

last night i took the trash out to the garbage can. today, i get up and go out there and the garbage man left me a ps3!!!! i'm so excited.

 

Funny, similar thing happened to me, only the garbage man left me Mike Fontenot, Neil Cotts, and Aaron Heilman.

Didn't your username used to be something along the line on Fontenot's namesake?

[Drew Doughty]

you guys won't believe this

 

last night i took the trash out to the garbage can. today, i get up and go out there and the garbage man left me a ps3!!!! i'm so excited.

 

Funny, similar thing happened to me, only the garbage man left me Mike Fontenot, Neil Cotts, and Aaron Heilman.

Didn't your username used to be something along the line on Fontenot's namesake?

 

Little Lord Fontenot