This team is just not very good

[17 Seconds]

It's as simple as that. It's no longer being overly negative to say that. It's being realistic. I don't think this team is like 1 or 2 pieces away from being a great team. I think it's more like we're one injury away from tanking.

 

The rotation is probably the one area we're alright, but there are still a lot of question marks there. The offense looks to be the 07 offense. We have zero depth, we're playing pure garbage at 2nd base and will be for a while since apparently Jim can't find an infielder who can OPS over .700. Soto is flat out terrible and has less power than Ryan Theriot. The offense looks incredibly mediocre, at best. I'm not convinced Aramis will be back and producing by mid July either.

 

The bullpen is the biggest problem. It is a complete mess. We have one good reliever, and his name isn't Carlos. The problem is that bullpens are extremely hard to fix during the season. It's almost impossible. You have to overpay for everything, and most of the time the guy ends up sucking.

 

I really don't see how this team is going to become good. They are increidbly mediocre all the way around.

[chasinf5s]

And im going to Cincy for all 3 games, man that was a goof 2 month ago

[Three Finger]

Seasons like this seem to be what being a Cubs fan is all about. We entered the season as the only team in the league without a player on the disabled list, and now we're overwhelmingly mediocre. Its disgusting.

[17 Seconds]

it's just kind of sad that you can see the window of this team closing. with the big contracts to aging players and backloaded contracts, this team is going to be in trouble for the next few years. everything was invested in this core team and they failed. 2008 was the time to do it. Edited June 3, 2009 by 17 Seconds

[chasinf5s]

Seasons like this seem to be what being a Cubs fan is all about. We entered the season as the only team in the league without a player on the disabled list, and now we're overwhelmingly mediocre. Its disgusting.

 

Well its more like a complete moron GM getting rid of a ton of players on a team that won 97 games last year. Its nice to see that the cubs literally changed everything because we got swept in the playoffs ignoring the fact that you have to get to the playoffs to actually win in the playoffs

[17 Seconds]

who cares about winning games when you can have more guys batting on the other side of the plate.

 

i still can't believe how bad of a GM hendry is. i've never seen a gm turn a stacked team into garbage over one offseason

[Little Slide Rooter]

If we can stay up until Ramirez comes back, we'll be a favorite in the wild card race. When it comes down to it, any team above .500 has a shot there.

[chasinf5s]

If we can stay up until Ramirez comes back, we'll be a favorite in the wild card race. When it comes down to it, any team above .500 has a shot there.

 

assuming Ramirez heals quickly which i doubt is the case since i read he might need surgery as soon as the season ends. The bullpen is terrible and will cost us this season just like 2004

[17 Seconds]

If we can stay up until Ramirez comes back, we'll be a favorite in the wild card race. When it comes down to it, any team above .500 has a shot there.

 

What do you mean by "stay up"? We're a .500 team. If we're at .500 when Ramirez comes back we'll not be the favorites for anything. The WC winner usually ends up winning around 89-90 games. I don't see how we win that many games.

[17 Seconds]

If we can stay up until Ramirez comes back, we'll be a favorite in the wild card race. When it comes down to it, any team above .500 has a shot there.

 

assuming Ramirez heals quickly which i doubt is the case since i read he might need surgery as soon as the season ends. The bullpen is terrible and will cost us this season just like 2004

 

This is what I'm saying. Even if we start hitting, the bullpen will hold us back.

[fivepercent]

This team, in its current state, is definitely bad.

[third eye]

I'm operating under the assumption that a trade will be made for bullpen help here. There is no way a team with this much of an investment in this season stands pat in that department. Hendry has a spotty record in the relief department, but that is partly a function of the players that fill that role. The question will be how much he gives up, and frankly, how lucky the team is in the results the trade delivers.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Then pack up and wait until next season. Seriosuly, were 4 games out of first still. Brewers and Cardinals have not been spectacular lately. were 4 games out of the Wild Card, which I assure you will come down to a dog fight betwen the Cubs/Cards/Brewers, whichever 2 dont the division and the Mets and Phils, whoever doesnt take thay division. When the time comes, the meanest most awfullest evilest GM in the world will fill the holes he needs to.

[Guest]

Surely Hendry can come up with a new theme from this tough loss. Something like.......

 

"I think our bullpen needs to get more left handed."

[third eye]

This team, in its current state, is definitely bad.

 

This team, in its current state, is not good. I'd replace "bad" with underperforming. There will be some regression (up) by the offense, the starting rotation will be fine, but it definitely needs bullpen help.

[17 Seconds]

Then pack up and wait until next season. Seriosuly, were 4 games out of first still. Brewers and Cardinals have not been spectacular lately. were 4 games out of the Wild Card, which I assure you will come down to a dog fight betwen the Cubs/Cards/Brewers, whichever 2 dont the division and the Mets and Phils, whoever doesnt take thay division. When the time comes, the meanest most awfullest evilest GM in the world will fill the holes he needs to.

 

First of all, I never said I'm giving up. I'm stating the obvious, which is that this team is not very good and will have to make multiple serious trades if they want any chance of winning a world series this season.

 

Second of all, YOU are the one who during the losing streak was constantly saying that this team was done and that the season is over, so don't even start with that garbage.

 

I don't really see how you're writing off the Braves either. If they trade for a big outfield bat (and they have the prospects leftover from the non-peavy trade to do it) that team looks pretty solid. Medlen and Hanson are legit, and if they come up and do anything at all this season, that rotation is looking really solid... def the best in that division. Their bullpen looks pretty nice with Gonzalez and Soriano at the end also.

[chasinf5s]

The only thing that might help is the stupid sale going through because there is a lot of talk of nothing being done because of it. I dont think this would help because this team needs SO MUCH

 

For example

A right fielder who isint a complete cry baby about everything

a backup 3rd baseman

a gm who doesnt trade a player who could play both the positions above and pretty much everything else

 

a bullpen

DFA heilman, nothing good happens when he is on the mound

Gregg needs to be long relief

Marmol needs something

Guzman needs to close

Wells needs to stay in the rotation reguardless of all the marshall love going on

Marhsall deserves to stay in the rotation seeing Harden is fragile

[JeffH]

Maybe if we lose 90+ this season we can finally get rid of Hendry.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Then pack up and wait until next season. Seriosuly, were 4 games out of first still. Brewers and Cardinals have not been spectacular lately. were 4 games out of the Wild Card, which I assure you will come down to a dog fight betwen the Cubs/Cards/Brewers, whichever 2 dont the division and the Mets and Phils, whoever doesnt take thay division. When the time comes, the meanest most awfullest evilest GM in the world will fill the holes he needs to.

 

First of all, I never said I'm giving up. I'm stating the obvious, which is that this team is not very good and will have to make multiple serious trades if they want any chance of winning a world series this season.

 

Second of all, YOU are the one who during the losing streak was constantly saying that this team was done and that the season is over, so don't even start with that garbage.

 

I don't really see how you're writing off the Braves either. If they trade for a big outfield bat (and they have the prospects leftover from the non-peavy trade to do it) that team looks pretty solid. Medlen and Hanson are legit, and if they come up and do anything at all this season, that rotation is looking really solid... def the best in that division. Their bullpen looks pretty nice with Gonzalez and Soriano at the end also.

 

yes, I was the only one saying the season over during the game threads. Its one thing to be over the top during the game, but a new thread like this doesnt need to be started after every tough loss.

[chasinf5s]

Then pack up and wait until next season. Seriosuly, were 4 games out of first still. Brewers and Cardinals have not been spectacular lately. were 4 games out of the Wild Card, which I assure you will come down to a dog fight betwen the Cubs/Cards/Brewers, whichever 2 dont the division and the Mets and Phils, whoever doesnt take thay division. When the time comes, the meanest most awfullest evilest GM in the world will fill the holes he needs to.

 

First of all, I never said I'm giving up. I'm stating the obvious, which is that this team is not very good and will have to make multiple serious trades if they want any chance of winning a world series this season.

 

Second of all, YOU are the one who during the losing streak was constantly saying that this team was done and that the season is over, so don't even start with that garbage.

 

I don't really see how you're writing off the Braves either. If they trade for a big outfield bat (and they have the prospects leftover from the non-peavy trade to do it) that team looks pretty solid. Medlen and Hanson are legit, and if they come up and do anything at all this season, that rotation is looking really solid... def the best in that division. Their bullpen looks pretty nice with Gonzalez and Soriano at the end also.

 

im sad to say but this team is done with this bullpen, seriously it has blown at least 2 4 run leads in the past couple of weeks or so

[17 Seconds]

Then pack up and wait until next season. Seriosuly, were 4 games out of first still. Brewers and Cardinals have not been spectacular lately. were 4 games out of the Wild Card, which I assure you will come down to a dog fight betwen the Cubs/Cards/Brewers, whichever 2 dont the division and the Mets and Phils, whoever doesnt take thay division. When the time comes, the meanest most awfullest evilest GM in the world will fill the holes he needs to.

 

First of all, I never said I'm giving up. I'm stating the obvious, which is that this team is not very good and will have to make multiple serious trades if they want any chance of winning a world series this season.

 

Second of all, YOU are the one who during the losing streak was constantly saying that this team was done and that the season is over, so don't even start with that garbage.

 

I don't really see how you're writing off the Braves either. If they trade for a big outfield bat (and they have the prospects leftover from the non-peavy trade to do it) that team looks pretty solid. Medlen and Hanson are legit, and if they come up and do anything at all this season, that rotation is looking really solid... def the best in that division. Their bullpen looks pretty nice with Gonzalez and Soriano at the end also.

 

yes, I was the only one saying the season over during the game threads. Its one thing to be over the top during the game, but a new thread like this doesnt need to be started after every tough loss.

 

uhh, i start a thread like this after every loss? show me.

 

so you're saying it's okay to overreact and declare the season over during the game, but it's not okay to start a rational and completely true thread after one of the games?

 

got it.

 

the point of this thread is simple. everybody is looking for one guy to blame or one area to blame, but the bottom line is that the team in general is just not that good.

[ragirag]

This team, in its current state, is definitely bad.

 

This team, in its current state, is not good. I'd replace "bad" with underperforming. There will be some regression (up) by the offense, the starting rotation will be fine, but it definitely needs bullpen help.

 

I think it's absolutely insane to think this team is going anywhere this season. I said a month and a half ago, this team was a 75-80 win team.

 

Aramis is not going to come back and mash the ball. The bullpen is horrible, Wells will not pitch like this all season, Soriano sucks, Theriot is coming back to earth, and so is Fuku.

 

Soto is proving with every game that last season was an abberation and not the norm, Bradley sucks when he's on the field (which isn't very often). Zambrano is now deciding he doesn't need to catch the team flight, after getting suspended for 6 games, Piniella keeps making boneheaded decisions, we have gaping holes at this current time at 2nd, 3rd, catcher, RF, and the ENTIRE bullpen.

 

The list goes on and on. It's June - two months into the season. When do you finally sit back and say - "this team sucks"??

 

Now is the time to say that.

[third eye]

This team, in its current state, is definitely bad.

 

This team, in its current state, is not good. I'd replace "bad" with underperforming. There will be some regression (up) by the offense, the starting rotation will be fine, but it definitely needs bullpen help.

 

I think it's absolutely insane to think this team is going anywhere this season. I said a month and a half ago, this team was a 75-80 win team.

 

Aramis is not going to come back and mash the ball. The bullpen is horrible, Wells will not pitch like this all season, Soriano sucks, Theriot is coming back to earth, and so is Fuku.

 

Soto is proving with every game that last season was an abberation and not the norm, Bradley sucks when he's on the field (which isn't very often). Zambrano is now deciding he doesn't need to catch the team flight, after getting suspended for 6 games, Piniella keeps making boneheaded decisions, we have gaping holes at this current time at 2nd, 3rd, catcher, RF, and the ENTIRE bullpen.

 

The list goes on and on. It's June - two months into the season. When do you finally sit back and say - "this team sucks"??

Now is the time to say that.

 

I'll say it when players are producing to their career norms or normal trajectories, the offense still sucks at creating runs and the pitching staff still sucks at preventing runs. The bullpen was a question mark coming into the season, and it has taken a worse turn than expected. It is legitimately terrible. I'm not ready to say that about the offense quite yet, and I'm definitely not ready to say that about the rotation. Given the injuries and underperformances thus far, the fact that the team is still at .500 leaves me with plenty of reason to believe it will remain in contention, individual maddening losses notwithstanding. But as I said, changes need to be made for the bullpen for this team to not finish middle of the pack.

[dew1679666265]

As long as this team is only 4 games out of first, there's still a chance to win the division. As long as they win the division (or make the playoffs at all), they have a chance to win the World Series.

 

The team is not playing very well right now, no. But the offense must pick up at some point and the rotation will likely improve as Dempster's results begin to match his peripherals and Z and Harden get/stay healthy/unsuspended. The bullpen is a major concern, but there are always good bullpen arms available and Hendry has shown the ability to make good to very good deadline deals for needs.

 

Right now this team isn't very good, but it has the most potential for improvement of any team in the majors right now.

[chasinf5s]

As long as this team is only 4 games out of first, there's still a chance to win the division. As long as they win the division (or make the playoffs at all), they have a chance to win the World Series.

 

The team is not playing very well right now, no. But the offense must pick up at some point and the rotation will likely improve as Dempster's results begin to match his peripherals and Z and Harden get/stay healthy/unsuspended. The bullpen is a major concern, but there are always good bullpen arms available and Hendry has shown the ability to make good to very good deadline deals for needs.

 

Right now this team isn't very good, but it has the most potential for improvement of any team in the majors right now.

 

Yes hendry has but everything ive read is that his hands are tied by the sale so even if he could, he very well might not be able to