Marshall to start Tuesday, Harden Thursday

[chuckywang]

This is Paul Sullivan's take:

Lou Piniella told the media the other day: "I wish you all would put the uniform for a day and have the life of a manager for a day." I'm willing to do it for one day if I can also get Lou's salary. Since that's not going to happen, as least I can speculate on how it should be. And though it's all just speculation now, Lilly and Ryan Dempster have been their most consistent starters of late, and by that I mean guys you can count on to go seven or more innings if necessary. Harden has been great, but he's a five or six inning pitcher, until proven otherwise. Carlos Zambrano should be the ace, and when his head is in the game, he's shown he can be. But right now he's a question mark. If I had to pick the rotation today, I'd go with Dempster and Lilly in Games 1 and 2, Zambrano in Game 3 and Harden in Game 4. You don't want to overuse your bullpen early, so Harden is a good fit for Game 4. Zambrano should be smart enough to realize the other two deserve to start before him, based on their recent performances. If not, then just deal with it.

 

I don't understand how anybody can justify saying Lilly deserves the 2nd start because he consistently goes 7, when his ERA is over 4, he actually averages barely over 6 innings, he's given up 4 ER and 5 ER in two of his 4 September starts, and you have Rich Harden. Harden has given up 4 ER once as a Cub, and only twice this season. He's thrown 7 innings 4 times as a Cub and is averaging nearly as many innings per outing as Lilly, at 5.9. Essentially, Lilly gets you one more out, on average, per start (actually less as he averages just 0.1 more innings per game). This is just completely illogical.

 

You have off days galore, and bullpens will be rested. If Harden throws in game 2, then there is an off day immediately following. Harden is far and away the team's most effective starter, while Ted Lilly is clearly number 4. This should not even be a discussion.

 

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This is Paul Sullivan's take:

Lou Piniella told the media the other day: "I wish you all would put the uniform for a day and have the life of a manager for a day." I'm willing to do it for one day if I can also get Lou's salary. Since that's not going to happen, as least I can speculate on how it should be. And though it's all just speculation now, Lilly and Ryan Dempster have been their most consistent starters of late, and by that I mean guys you can count on to go seven or more innings if necessary. Harden has been great, but he's a five or six inning pitcher, until proven otherwise. Carlos Zambrano should be the ace, and when his head is in the game, he's shown he can be. But right now he's a question mark. If I had to pick the rotation today, I'd go with Dempster and Lilly in Games 1 and 2, Zambrano in Game 3 and Harden in Game 4. You don't want to overuse your bullpen early, so Harden is a good fit for Game 4. Zambrano should be smart enough to realize the other two deserve to start before him, based on their recent performances. If not, then just deal with it.

 

I don't understand how anybody can justify saying Lilly deserves the 2nd start because he consistently goes 7, when his ERA is over 4, he actually averages barely over 6 innings, he's given up 4 ER and 5 ER in two of his 4 September starts, and you have Rich Harden. Harden has given up 4 ER once as a Cub, and only twice this season. He's thrown 7 innings 4 times as a Cub and is averaging nearly as many innings per outing as Lilly, at 5.9. Essentially, Lilly gets you one more out, on average, per start (actually less as he averages just 0.1 more innings per game). This is just completely illogical.

 

You have off days galore, and bullpens will be rested. If Harden throws in game 2, then there is an off day immediately following. Harden is far and away the team's most effective starter, while Ted Lilly is clearly number 4. This should not even be a discussion.

 

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Why the facepalm? I agree with jersey, although not so much with the first sentence about Ted. He put up a pretty good argument, what do you disagree with?

[David]

I think the facepalm is a reaction to Sullivan's comments and agreement with goony (er, jersey).

[Brett]

Putting your team in a position where the best pitcher could possibly never play would be a crime. Rich Harden has to be in the front three, end of story. Even Sullivan doesn't disagree - he's just garbling out bs to get discussions like this going.