Ned Yost and CC, helping with the contract.

[Amie]

I always suspected that old Ned was helping CC get big money next year. Well before whatever team signs him does, they really should check out exact who he beat and the circumstances.

 

I happened to see this NY Times article, where they discuss pitching young guys too many inning. They also bring up CC and the inning he is racking up, and interview Ned Yost on it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/05/sports/baseball/05pitchers.html

 

 

The pitch totals being compiled by Milwaukee’s standout left-hander C. C. Sabathia are also attracting attention.

 

Undefeated since being acquired from Cleveland, Sabathia (9-0, 1.43 E.R.A.) has thrown more pitches this season (3,161) than anyone in baseball except Toronto’s A. J. Burnett (3,198). Sabathia also leads baseball with an average of 109 pitches per start.

 

As a Brewer, Sabathia already has six complete games and three shutouts, the latest his near no-hitter last Sunday in Pittsburgh. The complete games probably stem in part from the Brewers’ shaky bullpen, which one major league scout called the worst of all the playoff contenders, including the Mets. Still, his high number of pitches, and the fact that he has completed games in which the Brewers have had a sizable lead, has led to speculation that the Brewers are milking Sabathia for everything he is worth because they have little expectation of re-signing him when he becomes a free agent after the season.

 

Milwaukee Manager Ned Yost insisted that he carefully watches the 28-year-old Sabathia for signs of fatigue. “I think about it every day,” Yost said. “I really do.”

 

“I understand the rationale of, why’s he in the game when it’s 7-0?” Yost said. “But he’s got a chance for a shutout and a complete game. My concern is that we win, and that C. C. benefits from his talents and abilities. Who would not pay extra for a guy who finishes what he starts?”

 

I check out the list of teams he actually defeated. A Card team that does not hit lefties. Atlanta without Chipper and McCann both on the shelf, and Tex already with the Angels. Other then that he beat San Fran, Wash, Pitts, once, they chased him the first time. The Cubs chased him too. He did beat Houston before they got hot. He did not pitch against the Mets, because he was wasted pitching against Pittsburgh, on that silly "one hitter". Oh yes he beat Cinny to. But gosh he was not there to pitch against the Cards a second time.

 

Never pitched against Philly, Arizona, LA, The Rockies, or the Mets. Some of the best hitting and pitching teams in the NL.

 

 

Don't get me wrong CC is a fabulous pitcher, but all this talk that he should when the CY for all these wins to me needs to be really looked at.

 

Also to me a manger who is out to help pad a players future salary is just not really good for baseball.

[17 Seconds]

Good. That just makes it less and less of a possibility that the Brewers can/will afford him.

[Mike Aller]

I can completely understand helping out a guy who is helping you out. And, despite thinking that it might not be smart come playoff time, I don't blame Ned Yost for it.

[wvcbxl]

And, despite thinking that it might not be smart come playoff time, I don't blame Ned Yost for it.

 

I'm hoping that, come playoff time, we'll be in a position to thank Ned Yost for it.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Good. That just makes it less and less of a possibility that the Brewers can/will afford him.

 

They never could afford him to begin with. The guys looking at a record shattering contract for a pitcher, maybe even for anyone. His first choices are the Dodgers, Angels, and Giants, and at the off chance that none of them want him, the Yankees will offer him something ridiculous, especially now that they're done throwing money down the toilets known as Pavano and Giambi.

[brewersbrewers]

I don't think Ned has to worry about CC in the playoffs, since the Brewers are choking it away. The only good thing about the Brewers not making the playing and chokeing like they are, there is no way that Ned can come back.

[SouthSideRyan]

I don't think Ned has to worry about CC in the playoffs, since the Brewers are choking it away. The only good thing about the Brewers not making the playing and chokeing like they are, there is no way that Ned can come back.

 

You're like old UMFan on speed. The Brewers are making the playoffs.

[bcl412]

I think, when you compare schedules, the odds are greater that the Brewers win the division than miss the playoffs.

[Ball And Glove]

I check out the list of teams he actually defeated. A Card team that does not hit lefties. Atlanta without Chipper and McCann both on the shelf, and Tex already with the Angels. Other then that he beat San Fran, Wash, Pitts, once, they chased him the first time. The Cubs chased him too. He did beat Houston before they got hot. He did not pitch against the Mets, because he was wasted pitching against Pittsburgh, on that silly "one hitter". Oh yes he beat Cinny to. But gosh he was not there to pitch against the Cards a second time.

 

Never pitched against Philly, Arizona, LA, The Rockies, or the Mets. Some of the best hitting and pitching teams in the NL.

 

His Milwaukee debut was at home against Colorado, but it wasn't a great start.

 

Most pitchers dominate the bad teams and are average against the good teams...I don't think Sabathia is some kind of fluke just because he's excelled against subpar teams. Like you said, he's a very good pitcher either way. The difference between good starters and bad starters is that the good starters do incredibly well against bad teams, while the average/bad starters are a lot less consistent all around. I'm not trying to start a riot or anything, but if I had the time to look through Carlos Zambrano's starts, I think I'd find a similar pattern (if anyone actually can do this, it'd be interesting to see, and I'd admit if I was wrong).

 

I do agree he has no business being in Cy Young discussions, though.

[nilodnayr]

I think, when you compare schedules, the odds are greater that the Brewers win the division than miss the playoffs.

 

Its pretty close depending on what playoff odds you look at.

[biittner77]

If the Brewers really are considering re signing Sabathia they might want to reconsider their "pitch him 'til his arm falls off" strategy.

[Mike Aller]

If the Brewers really are considering re signing Sabathia they might want to reconsider their "pitch him 'til his arm falls off" strategy.

I think they know that have just about zero chance of resigning Sabathia, unless he and Prince become good friends by going on a speed-eating competition tour this winter.

[Soul]

I check out the list of teams he actually defeated. A Card team that does not hit lefties. Atlanta without Chipper and McCann both on the shelf, and Tex already with the Angels. Other then that he beat San Fran, Wash, Pitts, once, they chased him the first time. The Cubs chased him too. He did beat Houston before they got hot. He did not pitch against the Mets, because he was wasted pitching against Pittsburgh, on that silly "one hitter". Oh yes he beat Cinny to. But gosh he was not there to pitch against the Cards a second time.

 

Never pitched against Philly, Arizona, LA, The Rockies, or the Mets. Some of the best hitting and pitching teams in the NL.

 

His Milwaukee debut was at home against Colorado, but it wasn't a great start.

 

Most pitchers dominate the bad teams and are average against the good teams...I don't think Sabathia is some kind of fluke just because he's excelled against subpar teams. Like you said, he's a very good pitcher either way. The difference between good starters and bad starters is that the good starters do incredibly well against bad teams, while the average/bad starters are a lot less consistent all around. I'm not trying to start a riot or anything, but if I had the time to look through Carlos Zambrano's starts, I think I'd find a similar pattern (if anyone actually can do this, it'd be interesting to see, and I'd admit if I was wrong).

 

I do agree he has no business being in Cy Young discussions, though.

He's a great pitcher and I'd love to see him pitching for my team. After what Yost is putting him through this year though, I'd want a ton of medical clearance on that arm/shoulder before paying him the kind of money he'll be asking for.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

haha, I love that yost claims he's helping CC get a contract, as if he actually needs help. The whole league knows what he's capable of, so yost is probably hurting cc's wallet by overusing him for the brewers gain. The whole world knows it ned, so you might as well admit it... You're overusing him because you know you can't re-sign him. You don't care if his arm falls off in the offseason, as long as he gets you to the playoffs this year

[17 Seconds]

Good. That just makes it less and less of a possibility that the Brewers can/will afford him.

 

They never could afford him to begin with. The guys looking at a record shattering contract for a pitcher, maybe even for anyone. His first choices are the Dodgers, Angels, and Giants, and at the off chance that none of them want him, the Yankees will offer him something ridiculous, especially now that they're done throwing money down the toilets known as Pavano and Giambi.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the Brewers spend some money this offseason with thier big attendance numbers.

[bcl412]

haha, I love that yost claims he's helping CC get a contract, as if he actually needs help. The whole league knows what he's capable of, so yost is probably hurting cc's wallet by overusing him for the brewers gain. The whole world knows it ned, so you might as well admit it... You're overusing him because you know you can't re-sign him. You don't care if his arm falls off in the offseason, as long as he gets you to the playoffs this year

 

I really just think he doesn't care about pitchcounts period.

[XZero771679666304]

Good. That just makes it less and less of a possibility that the Brewers can/will afford him.

 

They never could afford him to begin with. The guys looking at a record shattering contract for a pitcher, maybe even for anyone. His first choices are the Dodgers, Angels, and Giants, and at the off chance that none of them want him, the Yankees will offer him something ridiculous, especially now that they're done throwing money down the toilets known as Pavano and Giambi.

 

It wouldn't surprise me if the Brewers spend some money this offseason with thier big attendance numbers.

 

I'm sure they will, but they're not competing with LA/NY. It's just not going to happen, and it never was. And even if the money were all equal, CC is in LA (where I hear he is building a house) next year. He has had some fluffy things to say about Milwaukee, but I would bet a kidney that Brewtown isn't even on the periphery of his plans for 2009.

 

The Brewers have had a nice year, and Attanasio has shown that he will spend a bit, but to think that means they can or will suddenly step into the ring with the payroll behemoths is foolishness. They'll have their hands more than full trying to retain Sheets, which they probably won't (my money's on one of the Texas teams).

 

If I were a Brewer fan, I would have been scouting players to use the draft picks on from the day CC arrived in Milwaukee.

[Jehrico]

but if I had the time to look through Carlos Zambrano's starts, I think I'd find a similar pattern (if anyone actually can do this, it'd be interesting to see, and I'd admit if I was wrong).

Not necessarily. Z's kind of streaky, and that drives his performance more than who he is throwing against. He's done well when he's been throwing good regardless of the quality of the opponent, and conversely, when he's tough stretches, it generally didn't matter who it was against.

[chuckywang]

I believe he did pitch against the Rockies in his first start with the Brewers. They hit him pretty hard and he only lasted 5 innings, IIRC.