Why doesn't a Sac Fly count as an At Bat?

[Cynosure]

This is one of the scoring things I have never understood.

 

You are still making an out whether its deep or not... just because it gets a run home, you're making an out. So why doesn't it count as an at-bat?

 

Don't know if there is an easy explanation or not, just trying to learn.

[bukie]

Since it is considered a purposeful out to benefit the team, the player is not credited with an at-bat. Similar to the sac bunt in that thought.

 

It still counts as a plate appearance, and thus will count against a player's OBP.

[Cynosure]

Since it is considered a purposeful out to benefit the team, the player is not credited with an at-bat. Similar to the sac bunt in that thought.

 

It still counts as a plate appearance, and thus will count against a player's OBP.

 

Well I understand the "purposeful out" thing... but regardless... not every time does a player go up there TRYING to Sac Fly...

 

Purposeful or not, it's still an out. I think an RBI should be awarded and that's it.

[sweetpeteman]

Since it is considered a purposeful out to benefit the team, the player is not credited with an at-bat. Similar to the sac bunt in that thought.

 

It still counts as a plate appearance, and thus will count against a player's OBP.

 

Well I understand the "purposeful out" thing... but regardless... not every time does a player go up there TRYING to Sac Fly...

 

Purposeful or not, it's still an out. I think an RBI should be awarded and that's it.

 

 

That's why it still counts against the players OBP, because he was not necessarily trying to make an out. SacBunts, however, do not count against OBP as in most cases the coaches are taking the PA away from the batter by telling him to make an out.

[bukie]

Since it is considered a purposeful out to benefit the team, the player is not credited with an at-bat. Similar to the sac bunt in that thought.

 

It still counts as a plate appearance, and thus will count against a player's OBP.

 

Well I understand the "purposeful out" thing... but regardless... not every time does a player go up there TRYING to Sac Fly...

 

Purposeful or not, it's still an out. I think an RBI should be awarded and that's it.

 

 

That's why it still counts against the players OBP, because he was not necessarily trying to make an out. SacBunts, however, do not count against OBP as in most cases the coaches are taking the PA away from the batter by telling him to make an out.

 

Sac bunts also count against OBP, as they are also a plate appearance.

[CubColtPacer]

Since it is considered a purposeful out to benefit the team, the player is not credited with an at-bat. Similar to the sac bunt in that thought.

 

It still counts as a plate appearance, and thus will count against a player's OBP.

 

Well I understand the "purposeful out" thing... but regardless... not every time does a player go up there TRYING to Sac Fly...

 

Purposeful or not, it's still an out. I think an RBI should be awarded and that's it.

 

 

That's why it still counts against the players OBP, because he was not necessarily trying to make an out. SacBunts, however, do not count against OBP as in most cases the coaches are taking the PA away from the batter by telling him to make an out.

 

Sac bunts also count against OBP, as they are also a plate appearance.

 

That is not correct. OBP treats sac bunts as if they don't exist.

[sneakypower]

it's similar reasoning to GIDPs not producing an RBI

[bukie]

That is not correct. OBP treats sac bunts as if they don't exist.

 

Huh, I thought all sacrifice hits were counted. My mistake.

[chuckywang]

Since it is considered a purposeful out to benefit the team, the player is not credited with an at-bat. Similar to the sac bunt in that thought.

 

It still counts as a plate appearance, and thus will count against a player's OBP.

 

Well I understand the "purposeful out" thing... but regardless... not every time does a player go up there TRYING to Sac Fly...

 

Purposeful or not, it's still an out. I think an RBI should be awarded and that's it.

 

 

That's why it still counts against the players OBP, because he was not necessarily trying to make an out. SacBunts, however, do not count against OBP as in most cases the coaches are taking the PA away from the batter by telling him to make an out.

 

Sac bunts also count against OBP, as they are also a plate appearance.

 

The plate appearance statistic has nothing to do with the OBP formula:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_base_percentage

[NCCubFan]

If a run-scoring fly counts as a sacrifice so should a run-scoring groundout. That to me is more like a bunt than a fly is, because the batter is first and foremost trying to drive in the run without really trying to get a hit. In fact, I think a grounder should be a sacrifice if it moves a runner over just like a bunt is. It shouldn't matter whether the batter chokes up or not.

[sweetpeteman]

If a run-scoring fly counts as a sacrifice so should a run-scoring groundout. That to me is more like a bunt than a fly is, because the batter is first and foremost trying to drive in the run without really trying to get a hit. In fact, I think a grounder should be a sacrifice if it moves a runner over just like a bunt is. It shouldn't matter whether the batter chokes up or not.

 

 

But in those cases the batter was trying to get a hit as well as drive the run in, with a sac bunt, he is trying to make an out.

[Cynosure]

I think Sac Bunts shouldn't count as a PA or at bat.

 

However, Sac Flys can a lot of times happen on accident, and the hitter isn't penalized for it.

 

Moving someone over on a ground ball for sure should counted as an AB because I don't know many hitters that go up to the plate hoping to hit a ground ball right at someone.

[chuckywang]

I think Sac Bunts shouldn't count as a PA or at bat.

 

However, Sac Flys can a lot of times happen on accident, and the hitter isn't penalized for it.

 

Moving someone over on a ground ball for sure should counted as an AB because I don't know many hitters that go up to the plate hoping to hit a ground ball right at someone.

 

The whole point of a PA is to count the number of plate appareances. You have to go up to the plate to get a sac bunt, so it's a PA.