Does anyone trust Bob Howry?

[Old Style]

We can work around Howry. We can't work around not scoring any runs.

[nick23]

Meh, he gives up one run last night in a game where we got shut out and our pitching gave up a total of 2 runs.

 

Howry wasn't the problem last night.

BINGO!

 

Seriously? Giving up a run in the bottom of the 8th in a one run game is not a problem? Would it have been a problem if Aramis gets a hit in the 9th?

Did it even matter? The hitters have been pathetic lately. Are you going to rip Harden for giving up a HR to a guy that's hitting .250 on the year and had never hit a HR in his major league career before? Randy Johnson was far from overpowering last night. We should have been able to score at least 2 or 3 runs off of him.

Who knows if it mattered? There's no way to know how the 9th would've played out if it was a one run game. And comparing Harden's run and Howry's run is pretty ridiculous. By your logic though Howry could've come in and given up 6 runs and it wouldn't have been a problem.

How does one run change the way we batted in the 9th? You guys are letting your hatred for Howry blind you to the disaster that is our offense right now. I'm not a big Howry fan, but he is not the problem at the present time.

First of all Aramis would've probably been walked. Several things could've of played out differently. Look, I'm not saying the offense wasn't the problem last night, but to say Howry wasn't either is just flat wrong.

What? They would have walked him with 2 outs and no one on base?

Theriot was on 3rd.

Forgot about Theriot. So they walk Aramis to get to Soto and then what? he hasn't been hitting anything lately either. He was a whopping 0 for 3 last night.

Whatever dude. Howry sucked last night just like he's been sucking for the last two weeks. IMO he's a major concern over the next two months. Put it like this, I'm more concerned with Bob Howry than I am with the offense.

 

He still wasn't the problem last night. The problem was the goose egg next to our name. Period.

I know you said period, but is it ok if I still say that he was definitely part of the problem?

[Soul]

Meh, he gives up one run last night in a game where we got shut out and our pitching gave up a total of 2 runs.

 

Howry wasn't the problem last night.

BINGO!

 

Seriously? Giving up a run in the bottom of the 8th in a one run game is not a problem? Would it have been a problem if Aramis gets a hit in the 9th?

Did it even matter? The hitters have been pathetic lately. Are you going to rip Harden for giving up a HR to a guy that's hitting .250 on the year and had never hit a HR in his major league career before? Randy Johnson was far from overpowering last night. We should have been able to score at least 2 or 3 runs off of him.

Who knows if it mattered? There's no way to know how the 9th would've played out if it was a one run game. And comparing Harden's run and Howry's run is pretty ridiculous. By your logic though Howry could've come in and given up 6 runs and it wouldn't have been a problem.

How does one run change the way we batted in the 9th? You guys are letting your hatred for Howry blind you to the disaster that is our offense right now. I'm not a big Howry fan, but he is not the problem at the present time.

First of all Aramis would've probably been walked. Several things could've of played out differently. Look, I'm not saying the offense wasn't the problem last night, but to say Howry wasn't either is just flat wrong.

What? They would have walked him with 2 outs and no one on base?

Theriot was on 3rd.

Forgot about Theriot. So they walk Aramis to get to Soto and then what? he hasn't been hitting anything lately either. He was a whopping 0 for 3 last night.

Whatever dude. Howry sucked last night just like he's been sucking for the last two weeks. IMO he's a major concern over the next two months. Put it like this, I'm more concerned with Bob Howry than I am with the offense.

 

He still wasn't the problem last night. The problem was the goose egg next to our name. Period.

I know you said period, but is it ok if I still say that he was definitely part of the problem?

 

Not when talking about last night only. No. We were already down by a run and would have lost 1-0 without Howry. How can a pitcher be any part of the problem when you only gave up 2 runs and the offense got shut out? Throwing around speculation about what would have happened at the plate if there was only a 1 run lead is exactly that: empty speculation.

 

Concern over Howry for the rest of the year? Sure.

[Mizzou]

He still wasn't the problem last night. The problem was the goose egg next to our name. Period.

But he was a problem. Exclamation point.

[rocket]

discounting howry's bad performance because the cubs couldn't score a run yesterday seems incredibly foolish.

 

sure, he wasn't to blame for the loss. but that didn't make his relief appearance unimportant.

[YearofDaCubs]

Regardless if the run last night meant anything, Howry is nowhere near close to what he was during the 2nd half of last season. Do we really want a setup man with an era close to 5?

[Soul]

discounting howry's bad performance because the cubs couldn't score a run yesterday seems incredibly foolish.

 

sure, he wasn't to blame for the loss. but that didn't make his relief appearance unimportant.

 

In terms of W/L last night? It was most certainly unimportant. He didn't factor into the result of the game at all. I said if we're talking about whether Howry will be OK from here out that's definitely in question.

Edited July 22, 2008 by Soul

[Guest]

I know a lot of people don't put much value in batting average, but it's worth noting that opponents are hitting just under .300 off of Howry this year.

 

The bigger issue is that he's giving up far too many XBH.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

discounting howry's bad performance because the cubs couldn't score a run yesterday seems incredibly foolish.

 

sure, he wasn't to blame for the loss. but that didn't make his relief appearance unimportant.

 

In terms of W/L last night? It was most certainly unimportant. He didn't factor into the result of the game at all. I said if we're talking about whether Howry will be OK from here out that's definitely in question.

I believe that's basically what Rocket just said

[nick23]

discounting howry's bad performance because the cubs couldn't score a run yesterday seems incredibly foolish.

 

sure, he wasn't to blame for the loss. but that didn't make his relief appearance unimportant.

 

In terms of W/L last night? It was most certainly unimportant. He didn't factor into the result of the game at all. I said if we're talking about whether Howry will be OK from here out that's definitely in question.

This is crazy logic. Anytime a pitcher gives up more runs than his own team scores he doesn't factor into the result of the game? This is good news for all crappy pitchers around the league.

[Sammy Sofa]

Howry running hot and cold as he has ben is area of conern, especially coupled with Marmol very possibly blowing up agan and Wuertz having been inexplicably banished yet again.

[Soul]

discounting howry's bad performance because the cubs couldn't score a run yesterday seems incredibly foolish.

 

sure, he wasn't to blame for the loss. but that didn't make his relief appearance unimportant.

 

In terms of W/L last night? It was most certainly unimportant. He didn't factor into the result of the game at all. I said if we're talking about whether Howry will be OK from here out that's definitely in question.

This is crazy logic. Anytime a pitcher gives up more runs than his own team scores he doesn't factor into the result of the game? This is good news for all crappy pitchers around the league.

 

Cool! A pitcher's W/L record means something then. Harden, for example, gave up more runs than his team scored last night and hence got the loss. What does that say about Rich, in your estimation?

[jersey cubs fan]

discounting howry's bad performance because the cubs couldn't score a run yesterday seems incredibly foolish.

 

sure, he wasn't to blame for the loss. but that didn't make his relief appearance unimportant.

 

In terms of W/L last night? It was most certainly unimportant. He didn't factor into the result of the game at all. I said if we're talking about whether Howry will be OK from here out that's definitely in question.

This is crazy logic. Anytime a pitcher gives up more runs than his own team scores he doesn't factor into the result of the game? This is good news for all crappy pitchers around the league.

 

Cool! A pitcher's W/L record means something then. Harden, for example, gave up more runs than his team scored last night and hence got the loss. What does that say about Rich, in your estimation?

 

It says he pitched great whereas Howry once again sucked.

[Soul]

discounting howry's bad performance because the cubs couldn't score a run yesterday seems incredibly foolish.

 

sure, he wasn't to blame for the loss. but that didn't make his relief appearance unimportant.

 

In terms of W/L last night? It was most certainly unimportant. He didn't factor into the result of the game at all. I said if we're talking about whether Howry will be OK from here out that's definitely in question.

This is crazy logic. Anytime a pitcher gives up more runs than his own team scores he doesn't factor into the result of the game? This is good news for all crappy pitchers around the league.

 

Cool! A pitcher's W/L record means something then. Harden, for example, gave up more runs than his team scored last night and hence got the loss. What does that say about Rich, in your estimation?

 

It says he pitched great whereas Howry once again sucked.

 

Okay, fair enough. But my overall point is this: if we score just a nominal output of say 3 runs last night, this thread never gets made. I'm concerned about Howry. Of course. You'd be a fool not to be. There was always going to be some point where he was not able to pull his act together for the 2nd half. Looks like it might be this year.

 

I just think the timing of this is a little off. Howry's been bad for awhile now. Last night was about the damn 0 on the board. With a well-rested Marmol we can likely work around Howry anyway. But certainly not if no runs are crossing the plate.

[jersey cubs fan]

Okay, fair enough. But my overall point is this: if we score just a nominal output of say 3 runs last night, this thread never gets made. I'm concerned about Howry. Of course. You'd be a fool not to be. There was always going to be some point where he was not able to pull his act together for the 2nd half. Looks like it might be this year.

 

I just think the timing of this is a little off. Howry's been bad for awhile now. Last night was about the damn 0 on the board. With a well-rested Marmol we can likely work around Howry anyway. But certainly not if no runs are crossing the plate.

 

Who cares about the timing of a thread. Howry has been terribly inconsistent this year and has sucked so far in July. He pitched in a close game and gave up another run late and somebody expressed concern. What's the big freaking deal?

[Little Slide Rooter]

He still wasn't the problem last night. The problem was the goose egg next to our name. Period.

But he was a problem. Exclamation point.

 

He has been aproblem lately, but I dont see how it would have made a difference last night. It probably would have ended the same. 2 guys on, Lee DP, Ramirez ground out, end of story. So we lose 1-0 instead of 2-0.

[Soul]

Okay, fair enough. But my overall point is this: if we score just a nominal output of say 3 runs last night, this thread never gets made. I'm concerned about Howry. Of course. You'd be a fool not to be. There was always going to be some point where he was not able to pull his act together for the 2nd half. Looks like it might be this year.

 

I just think the timing of this is a little off. Howry's been bad for awhile now. Last night was about the damn 0 on the board. With a well-rested Marmol we can likely work around Howry anyway. But certainly not if no runs are crossing the plate.

 

Who cares about the timing of a thread. Howry has been terribly inconsistent this year and has sucked so far in July. He pitched in a close game and gave up another run late and somebody expressed concern. What's the big freaking deal?

 

I wasn't trying to make a big freaking deal over it. I was just saying it was the offense that put up a goose egg last night. That's all.

[nick23]

Okay, fair enough. But my overall point is this: if we score just a nominal output of say 3 runs last night, this thread never gets made. I'm concerned about Howry. Of course. You'd be a fool not to be. There was always going to be some point where he was not able to pull his act together for the 2nd half. Looks like it might be this year.

 

I just think the timing of this is a little off. Howry's been bad for awhile now. Last night was about the damn 0 on the board. With a well-rested Marmol we can likely work around Howry anyway. But certainly not if no runs are crossing the plate.

 

Who cares about the timing of a thread. Howry has been terribly inconsistent this year and has sucked so far in July. He pitched in a close game and gave up another run late and somebody expressed concern. What's the big freaking deal?

 

I wasn't trying to make a big freaking deal over it. I was just saying it was the offense that put up a goose egg last night. That's all.

You were aware of the title of the thread though right?

[Soul]

Okay, fair enough. But my overall point is this: if we score just a nominal output of say 3 runs last night, this thread never gets made. I'm concerned about Howry. Of course. You'd be a fool not to be. There was always going to be some point where he was not able to pull his act together for the 2nd half. Looks like it might be this year.

 

I just think the timing of this is a little off. Howry's been bad for awhile now. Last night was about the damn 0 on the board. With a well-rested Marmol we can likely work around Howry anyway. But certainly not if no runs are crossing the plate.

 

Who cares about the timing of a thread. Howry has been terribly inconsistent this year and has sucked so far in July. He pitched in a close game and gave up another run late and somebody expressed concern. What's the big freaking deal?

 

I wasn't trying to make a big freaking deal over it. I was just saying it was the offense that put up a goose egg last night. That's all.

You were aware of the title of the thread though right?

 

Yeah. If that means I can't post an entry about last night's game specifically though, then just let me know.

[Clem Fandango]

Bob Howry stole the change out of my huge change jar when I asked him to watch my house over the weekend. Bob Howry is not to be trusted.

[Amie]

Meh, he gives up one run last night in a game where we got shut out and our pitching gave up a total of 2 runs.

 

Howry wasn't the problem last night.

BINGO!

 

Seriously? Giving up a run in the bottom of the 8th in a one run game is not a problem? Would it have been a problem if Aramis gets a hit in the 9th?

Did it even matter? The hitters have been pathetic lately. Are you going to rip Harden for giving up a HR to a guy that's hitting .250 on the year and had never hit a HR in his major league career before? Randy Johnson was far from overpowering last night. We should have been able to score at least 2 or 3 runs off of him.

Who knows if it mattered? There's no way to know how the 9th would've played out if it was a one run game. And comparing Harden's run and Howry's run is pretty ridiculous. By your logic though Howry could've come in and given up 6 runs and it wouldn't have been a problem.

How does one run change the way we batted in the 9th? You guys are letting your hatred for Howry blind you to the disaster that is our offense right now. I'm not a big Howry fan, but he is not the problem at the present time.

First of all Aramis would've probably been walked. Several things could've of played out differently. Look, I'm not saying the offense wasn't the problem last night, but to say Howry wasn't either is just flat wrong.

What? They would have walked him with 2 outs and no one on base?

Theriot was on 3rd.

Forgot about Theriot. So they walk Aramis to get to Soto and then what? he hasn't been hitting anything lately either. He was a whopping 0 for 3 last night.

Whatever dude. Howry sucked last night just like he's been sucking for the last two weeks. IMO he's a major concern over the next two months. Put it like this, I'm more concerned with Bob Howry than I am with the offense.

 

He still wasn't the problem last night. The problem was the goose egg next to our name. Period.

 

 

 

Howry, was not the real problem last night, but he has not been sharp because he has not been used enough. He needs to pitch a lot, and his history over the years shows that. Lou, wanting the starters to go long, and his overuse of Marmol, means others sit ideal. They need work too. Wertz was never used, he lost his slider. That's what happens.

 

If you check back in the last few weeks, Howry has been brought in many times in during an inning when the Cubs are way ahead and there are runners on base. His job then is to get outs. He doesn't worry about his ERA, he worries about getting the outs with the Cubs winning the game.

 

He needs work to stay sharp though.

 

If the Cubs can't score in the 9th down 2, with runners on 1st and 2nd, and no outs, with the heart of the order coming up.....it's not Bob Howry's fault. That was Chad Qualls out there, they used to hit him all the time when he was with Houston, and they nailed him in Wrigley just a few weeks ago.

[Jehrico]

Howry wasn't the reason we lost last night. But, he is a problem in the pen. He can't be relied upon. I would trade him before demoting/trading/DFAing Wuertz, Lieber, or Eyre.

[TruffleShuffle]

All Howry throws are fastballs. No, I don't trust him.

 

all mariano rivera throws is cutters; i wonder if the yankees trust him.

[rocket]

All Howry throws are fastballs. No, I don't trust him.

 

all mariano rivera throws is cutters; i wonder if the yankees trust him.

 

and look what the diamondbacks did to mo in the 2001 world series.

 

maybe the diamondbacks are just awesome.

[YearofDaCubs]

Howry needs to go. He's broken.