Re: Gallardo (Brewers fan here)

[Outshined_One]

-Did Yost leaving him in there further the injury?

 

-Even if it did not, why leave him in?

 

Here's my train of thought on the subject. It's possible to play on torn ACL in certain circumstances, especially with world-class athletes. If your leg muscles are strong enough, you can get by without the ACL. Granted, the injury is rather painful and unpleasant.

 

Here are the two problems in particular I had with Yost's move:

 

1) The ACL is usually injured in bad landings. They can be injured when a person's leg is unexpectedly and sharply twisted or turned in a certain direction. However, they can also happen when someone lands flat on their heels due to the pressure the structure of your legs exert on the knee. However, they are difficult to initially diagnose because a lot of times, what appears to be an ACL tear could in fact be a hyperextended knee, which is a less serious injury than an ACL tear. Surgery might not be required. Rest and rehabilitation could get the knee back to full strength over the course of a few weeks, depending on the severity of the injury. Recovery would be nowhere near the amount needed for a torn ACL.

 

In Gallardo's case, it very well could have been possible that he had hyperextended his knee or maybe just partially torn his ACL. On the spot-testing can be inconclusive in those instances; you need MRIs in most cases in order to be sure the ACL is completely torn. Moreover, pitching involves a lot of hard landings and sharp turns for the legs due to pitching mechanics and the need to field nearby groundballs. Also, pitching mounds usually do not offer the best traction in the world, meaning he was at risk for a slip and fall. If he could have had a partial tear or just a hyperextension without much damage, why risk completely tearing Gallardo's ACL?

 

2) The other big problem I had was, as I mentioned, these injuries can be rather unpleasant and painful. I don't know if it was his plant leg or his landing leg that got injured, but those two mechanical aspects of pitching are important. If you incorrectly plant your foot or loosen up on your follow-through for your landing foot, you'll be putting a lot of pressure on other parts of your body. Your legs do a lot of important work in pitching. If your motion gets screwed up or if you have to compensate for a loss of velocity by getting other parts of your body involved, you're risking further injury.

 

Quite frankly, it was stunning how dumb Yost was for trotting Gallardo back out onto the mound.

 

Welcome aboard, by the way.

[razzzorsharp]

I didn't want to start a new thread on this, since there are only so many Brewer threads we can take here.

 

Anyway, I wonder how Ned Yost makes such dumb decisions after coaching under Bobby Cox for years. Seems like some kind of intelligent baseball knowledge would have leaked off Cox and onto Yost.

Ned seems like a guy who makes decisions based off a mix of very little information and gut feelings. I have a prediction that at some point Ted Simmons will take over for Ned within the next year.

[dew1679666265]

I didn't want to start a new thread on this, since there are only so many Brewer threads we can take here.

 

Anyway, I wonder how Ned Yost makes such dumb decisions after coaching under Bobby Cox for years. Seems like some kind of intelligent baseball knowledge would have leaked off Cox and onto Yost.

Ned seems like a guy who makes decisions based off a mix of very little information and gut feelings. I have a prediction that at some point Ted Simmons will take over for Ned within the next year.

 

Interesting. That does sound like how Bobby makes his decisions, except Cox does it with as much info as possible and his gut is much better.

[illiniguy]

The Crew should be asking around about the availability of all of the other really good pitchers out there and not even think about Gallardo for this year. He is too good to risk any kind of pitching through an injury. Just see what you can patch together for this year. There is no need to risk further injury with Yovanni.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Brewers wanted him, the Rangers would probably trade Millwood for LaPorta and minor league arm right now. LaPorta could play first or DH for the Rangers today.

[nilodnayr]

I didn't want to start a new thread on this, since there are only so many Brewer threads we can take here.

 

Anyway, I wonder how Ned Yost makes such dumb decisions after coaching under Bobby Cox for years. Seems like some kind of intelligent baseball knowledge would have leaked off Cox and onto Yost.

Ned seems like a guy who makes decisions based off a mix of very little information and gut feelings. I have a prediction that at some point Ted Simmons will take over for Ned within the next year.

 

What about the defensive re-alignment and batting the pitcher in the 8th spot? Both of those (definitely the latter) were decisions based on lots of information and not on gut feeling.

[illiniguy]

If the Brewers wanted him, the Rangers would probably trade Millwood for LaPorta and minor league arm right now. LaPorta could play first or DH for the Rangers today.

He could, but would he? They jerked Salty around pretty good so far. Oh and he can't be traded until the draft again.

Edited May 4, 2008 by illiniguy

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Brewers wanted him, the Rangers would probably trade Millwood for LaPorta and minor league arm right now. LaPorta could play first or DH for the Rangers today.

He could, but would he? They jerked Salty around pretty good so far.

 

Well, Salty is now up. Until Laird is moved, the plan is start Salty two games and then sit; start Laird two games. So, I think they've finally settled that for now.

 

I think if they got LaPorta in a deal for Millwood or Padilla, he would be up really soon. Ben Broussard isn't doing anything at first.

[razzzorsharp]

Getting a little off topic but if there was a trade with the Rangers I would hope Laird would be returning to the Brewers with Millwood (who I am not a huge fan of).