Soriano injury

[Chocolate Milk]

Why do people want Ramirez, who has a history of leg injuries, sprinting his ass off on obvious doubles?

[Wilson A2000]

You could also argue that players that hustle are being selfish- they want to pad their stats by legging out infield hits.

 

If you did, you would be stupid

[Sammy Sofa]

Are you seriously saying that it is OK to loaf on a ball that was not absolutely crushed? No, he would not have gotten a triple, but he could have gotten thrown out. This wasn't the first time that Ramirez did this and it won't be the last. I find it odd that people who make tons of money don't give it all on the field. I find it even odder that Cubs fans who haven't won squat in 100 years don't demand this from their players. Piniella, the supposed tough manager, treats Soriano and Ramirez with kid gloves. One thing I did like about Baylor is that he held Sammy accountable.

 

I find you odd.

[Wilson A2000]

Why do people want Ramirez, who has a history of leg injuries, sprinting his ass off on obvious doubles?

 

Because they are not obvious doubles

[Chocolate Milk]

Why do people want Ramirez, who has a history of leg injuries, sprinting his ass off on obvious doubles?

 

Because they are not obvious doubles

Sure they are. The risk isn't worth the reward. Especially when the reward is absolutely nothing.

[Wilson A2000]

Are you seriously saying that it is OK to loaf on a ball that was not absolutely crushed? No, he would not have gotten a triple, but he could have gotten thrown out. This wasn't the first time that Ramirez did this and it won't be the last. I find it odd that people who make tons of money don't give it all on the field. I find it even odder that Cubs fans who haven't won squat in 100 years don't demand this from their players. Piniella, the supposed tough manager, treats Soriano and Ramirez with kid gloves. One thing I did like about Baylor is that he held Sammy accountable.

 

I find you odd.

 

Since when did asking a guy to hustle make anyone odd?

[Sammy Sofa]

Are you seriously saying that it is OK to loaf on a ball that was not absolutely crushed? No, he would not have gotten a triple, but he could have gotten thrown out. This wasn't the first time that Ramirez did this and it won't be the last. I find it odd that people who make tons of money don't give it all on the field. I find it even odder that Cubs fans who haven't won squat in 100 years don't demand this from their players. Piniella, the supposed tough manager, treats Soriano and Ramirez with kid gloves. One thing I did like about Baylor is that he held Sammy accountable.

 

I find you odd.

 

Since when did asking a guy to hustle make anyone odd?

 

It's odd dwelling on a ridiculous and subjective intangable over the actual concrete production a player accomplishes.

Edited April 16, 2008 by Sammy Sofa

[Wilson A2000]

Why do people want Ramirez, who has a history of leg injuries, sprinting his ass off on obvious doubles?

 

Because they are not obvious doubles

Sure they are. The risk isn't worth the reward. Especially when the reward is absolutely nothing.

 

Ramirez thought this was an obvious homerun. The reward is that you make it to second base safely. He did, but I believe that he ran hard into second.

[bring stone back]

670 the score just reported that Eric Patterson will be called up and Soriano to the 15 day DL

 

what the crap?

 

what the crap!

 

man, murton is our poor little bastard child

 

Marshall couldn't even make the team out of spring, Hill is out of the rotation after two starts, and Murton can't even get a call-up when Soriano is hurt.

 

I give up. They are actively trying to lose at this point.

 

By "Hill is out of the rotation" you mean he's scheduled to start on Friday, right?

 

Judging by the overreactions by some on this board you would have thought Hendry put Hill out to pasture or something....wow. He was relegated to the bullpen for a couple games - oh the humanity!!

[swordsman]

I have a theory that very few players actually hustle. Those that do only do so because they are on the fringe of being cut or it's the playoffs and they want to leave the impression that they always play hard.

 

You could also argue that players that hustle are being selfish- they want to pad their stats by legging out infield hits.

 

 

It is in my nature to give people the benefit of the doubt. I'm pretty good at it too.

 

This though...I'm...I've never...you...really?

[Soul]

Why do people want Ramirez, who has a history of leg injuries, sprinting his ass off on obvious doubles?

 

I definitely don't want him to. He'll wind up on the DL for weeks, we've already seen that.

[frostwyrm]

Cubs farmhands everywhere are out buying a glove for 2nd base.

 

Funny when you consider Chicago's moniker of "Second City." It should be changed to "Second Basemen's City."

[Wilson A2000]

Are you seriously saying that it is OK to loaf on a ball that was not absolutely crushed? No, he would not have gotten a triple, but he could have gotten thrown out. This wasn't the first time that Ramirez did this and it won't be the last. I find it odd that people who make tons of money don't give it all on the field. I find it even odder that Cubs fans who haven't won squat in 100 years don't demand this from their players. Piniella, the supposed tough manager, treats Soriano and Ramirez with kid gloves. One thing I did like about Baylor is that he held Sammy accountable.

 

I find you odd.

 

Since when did asking a guy to hustle make anyone odd?

 

It's odd dwelling on a ridiculous and subjective intangable over the actual concrete production a player accomplishes.

 

How much of baseball is physical and how much is mental? If a good portion of it is mental, is this subjective or objective?

 

My point is that if you are in a slump, at least do what you can to improve. What's so hard about running? My goodness, it's not like any of them run a lot. So run hard while you can. No running is not a big deal and doesn't significantly alter one's stats, but it is one of my pet peeves, especially when a person's stats are down.

Edited April 16, 2008 by Wilson A2000

[Cansecos Roid Party]

yes, Ramirez "could" have been thrown out. He also "could" have pulled a hamstring busting out of the box. So maybe you should sit behind the plate and yell at him to hustle after every hit, then if he gets injured (yes i know a small %chance, but about the same as his "not-hustling" actually MATTERING), maybe we can call up someone who will actually hustle.

 

Not sure who we'd call up to replace DeRo at 2B after he moved to third, I hear Tony Thomas is a hot 2B prospect.

[Sammy Sofa]

My goodness, it's not like any of them run a lot.

 

What?

[Wilson A2000]

My goodness, it's not like any of them run a lot.

 

What?

 

Does baseball involve a lot of running? No.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wow.

[Wilson A2000]

Wow.

 

You really shouldn't be surprised at this.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

My goodness, it's not like any of them run a lot.

 

What?

 

Does baseball involve a lot of running? No.

apparently it involves a lot of loafing

[Wilson A2000]

yes i know a small %chance, but about the same as his "not-hustling" actually MATTERING), maybe we can call up someone who will actually hustle.

 

How did the Cubs win on Sunday? Zambrano hit a grounder, hustled to first base, and Utley threw it wildly to first. An error occurred, and the Cubs scored. Utley admitted that he saw Zambrano running hard and that made him rush his throw. With the Cubs' lack of solid starting pitching, the race for the division will be tight. Every game will be important. That's why you hustle.

[David]

yes i know a small %chance, but about the same as his "not-hustling" actually MATTERING), maybe we can call up someone who will actually hustle.

 

How did the Cubs win on Sunday? Zambrano hit a grounder, hustled to first base, and Utley threw it wildly to first. An error occurred, and the Cubs scored. Utley admitted that he saw Zambrano running hard and that made him rush his throw. With the Cubs' lack of solid starting pitching, the race for the division will be tight. Every game will be important. That's why you hustle.

 

Do you realize that you can say the exact same thing about how much Ramirez getting hurt would harm the team if his "hustle" managed to cause an injury?

 

The guy has leg issues and, on top of it, he's slow. Asking him to leg out every ball he hits is tantamount to wanting injury prone pitchers to pitch through pain. Nothing good can come of it.

[waffle]

I was listening to it on gamecast

 

Even my wife wondered what was wrong

 

"figures figures figures. Just "friggin" figures." I think were my exact words

 

Now I know why I always hated that hop.

 

He's like a racehorse. So tuned and tight that a bad wind can cause him to hurt himself.

 

You know what they do to lame horses, don't you?

[Wilson A2000]

yes i know a small %chance, but about the same as his "not-hustling" actually MATTERING), maybe we can call up someone who will actually hustle.

 

How did the Cubs win on Sunday? Zambrano hit a grounder, hustled to first base, and Utley threw it wildly to first. An error occurred, and the Cubs scored. Utley admitted that he saw Zambrano running hard and that made him rush his throw. With the Cubs' lack of solid starting pitching, the race for the division will be tight. Every game will be important. That's why you hustle.

 

Do you realize that you can say the exact same thing about how much Ramirez getting hurt would harm the team if his "hustle" managed to cause an injury?

 

The guy has leg issues and, on top of it, he's slow. Asking him to leg out every ball he hits is tantamount to wanting injury prone pitchers to pitch through pain. Nothing good can come of it.

 

The situations are not the same. First of all, you don't know if Ramirez is injured right now. Second, how did ARam get hurt last year? By running slow to first, seeing that there would be a play, trying to turn it on, and then hurting himself. Do you want Kerry Wood to not throw sliders because he might get hurt? If Ramirez hits a gapper, I am not so much concerned that he jogs into second. I don't like him having to run hard to second because he stood and watched what he thought was a homer. I guess I wish Zambrano would have just jogged into second so that Utley wouldn't have had to make an easy play, thus prolonging the game just so that Zambrano doesn't hurt himself.

[Cansecos Roid Party]

I think A-Ram would have hustled there had it been he instead of Z who hit the DP ball. Or do you disagree?

[Wilson A2000]

Oops Edited April 16, 2008 by Wilson A2000