Dye to Cubs still possible?

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

yeah i wouldnt mind having dye if KW is not askin for marmol....i kinda like the move the more i think about just have to be the right price

[rickrolled]

The Trib notes that the Sox lost a Triple-A catcher to waivers tonight, which would open up a free spot for a 2-for-1 trade.

[Soriano12]

The Trib notes that the Sox lost a Triple-A catcher to waivers tonight, which would open up a free spot for a 2-for-1 trade.

 

 

[rickrolled]

On ESPN 1000's update right now, they said the Sox are now trying to re-sign Dye to a 2 or 3 year deal.

[Rusch33]

On ESPN 1000's update right now, they said the Sox are now trying to re-sign Dye to a 2 or 3 year deal.

 

Smart move by the White Sox.

 

*notice sarcasm*

[JimSorgi]

On ESPN 1000's update right now, they said the Sox are now trying to re-sign Dye to a 2 or 3 year deal.

That would be stupid.

[IWU_CUBS_FAN]

On ESPN 1000's update right now, they said the Sox are now trying to re-sign Dye to a 2 or 3 year deal.

 

Smart move by the White Sox.

 

*notice sarcasm*

wow so he cant get anyone's farm system for dye so KW decides to sign his aging body for another 2 to 3 years...NICE

[Rusch33]

On ESPN 1000's update right now, they said the Sox are now trying to re-sign Dye to a 2 or 3 year deal.

 

Smart move by the White Sox.

 

*notice sarcasm*

wow so he cant get anyone's farm system for dye so KW decides to sign his aging body for another 2 to 3 years...NICE

 

 

Nothing like watching them suck in AL Central for a long time.

[rawaction]

At this point, I'd really love to get Dye. He has a near 1.1 OPS since the break. And 3-year splits show a .913 post AS OPS from 04-06. He's been solid vs. LHPs. And great career numbers vs. LHPs. If he can put up his career numbers the rest of the way (.274/.337/.484), he's at least an improvement in the power department. If he puts up his average numbers for the previous 3 years the rest of the way (.285/.349/.533), he'd likely put the Cubs over the top in the division.

 

If they were looking at Delcarmen and Pena from the BoSox, I would offer Murton, Petrick, and Atkins for him.

[Flames24Rulz]

At this point, I'd really love to get Dye. He has a near 1.1 OPS since the break. And 3-year splits show a .913 post AS OPS from 04-06. He's been solid vs. LHPs. And great career numbers vs. LHPs. If he can put up his career numbers the rest of the way (.274/.337/.484), he's at least an improvement in the power department. If he puts up his average numbers for the previous 3 years the rest of the way (.285/.349/.533), he'd likely put the Cubs over the top in the division.

 

If they were looking at Delcarmen and Pena from the BoSox, I would offer Murton, Petrick, and Atkins for him.

 

I would do that deal in a heartbeat.

 

As far as the Sox re-signing him, I have a hard time believing that Kenny Williams is that stupid. That would be the equivalent of us trading Pie for Laird. You're a team that is probably going to be rebuilding for a couple of years. The last thing you should do is re-sign an OF who's over 30 when you can net a very good return for him at the deadline.

[jiml60]

If you acquire Dye, you can let him go in the offseason and get one or two draft picks--and potentially pick up a prospect better than the one you deal to get Dye in the first place.

 

So...I'd send the Sox both Murton and someone like Buck Coats or Carmen Pignatiello and see if that was enough to get a deal done.

 

Not likely. If Cubs offered him a good contract, he'd probably stay. They'd probably be scared to offer him arb unless they wanted him to stay, or unless he finished pretty strong. If he finished the year at .235, with creaky knees and age climbing, I think teams wouldn't offer him what an arbitrator would.

 

That being the case, Cubs would either sign him under their own negotiated terms, or let him walk without taking the arb-and-lose risk, or the risk that they acquire an expensive replacement only to have Dye accept arb and stick them $10 million overbudget with a guy they have no use for.

 

And in any such case, the risk/reward factors whether he's an A or a B. Dye is hitting .235, so I doubt he'll make a Class A free agent after the season. An A gets you a top-40 pick plus another high pick, possibly even a top-30 pick. A B gets you a single pick in the 40-60 range.

 

Not sure management would see that as valuable enough to justify offering arb.

 

Unless they changed the rules in the new CBA but don't they classify Type A and B FAs by their last 2 seasons?

[Guest]

If you acquire Dye, you can let him go in the offseason and get one or two draft picks--and potentially pick up a prospect better than the one you deal to get Dye in the first place.

 

So...I'd send the Sox both Murton and someone like Buck Coats or Carmen Pignatiello and see if that was enough to get a deal done.

 

Not likely. If Cubs offered him a good contract, he'd probably stay. They'd probably be scared to offer him arb unless they wanted him to stay, or unless he finished pretty strong. If he finished the year at .235, with creaky knees and age climbing, I think teams wouldn't offer him what an arbitrator would.

 

That being the case, Cubs would either sign him under their own negotiated terms, or let him walk without taking the arb-and-lose risk, or the risk that they acquire an expensive replacement only to have Dye accept arb and stick them $10 million overbudget with a guy they have no use for.

 

And in any such case, the risk/reward factors whether he's an A or a B. Dye is hitting .235, so I doubt he'll make a Class A free agent after the season. An A gets you a top-40 pick plus another high pick, possibly even a top-30 pick. A B gets you a single pick in the 40-60 range.

 

Not sure management would see that as valuable enough to justify offering arb.

 

Unless they changed the rules in the new CBA but don't they classify Type A and B FAs by their last 2 seasons?

Not sure if the rule still works this way, but wouldn't Dye have been a free agent that previously generated compensation and therefore would not generate compensation for becoming a free agent this time around?

[Balsa]

I thought I heard Levine say that the 2-3 year deal is basically not gonna happen, too big a gap in salary talks.

[Rusch33]

Update from rotoworld:

 

 

White Sox GM Ken Williams is reportedly going to sleep on Boston's counteroffer for Jermaine Dye, which doesn't include either Manny Delcarmen or Justin Masterson.

The revised proposal may yet include Wily Mo Pena, who would have no role in Boston with Dye on the team. The White Sox are still considering keeping Dye and trying to re-sign him to a two- or three-year extension.

[JeffH]

If you acquire Dye, you can let him go in the offseason and get one or two draft picks--and potentially pick up a prospect better than the one you deal to get Dye in the first place.

 

So...I'd send the Sox both Murton and someone like Buck Coats or Carmen Pignatiello and see if that was enough to get a deal done.

 

Not likely. If Cubs offered him a good contract, he'd probably stay. They'd probably be scared to offer him arb unless they wanted him to stay, or unless he finished pretty strong. If he finished the year at .235, with creaky knees and age climbing, I think teams wouldn't offer him what an arbitrator would.

 

That being the case, Cubs would either sign him under their own negotiated terms, or let him walk without taking the arb-and-lose risk, or the risk that they acquire an expensive replacement only to have Dye accept arb and stick them $10 million overbudget with a guy they have no use for.

 

And in any such case, the risk/reward factors whether he's an A or a B. Dye is hitting .235, so I doubt he'll make a Class A free agent after the season. An A gets you a top-40 pick plus another high pick, possibly even a top-30 pick. A B gets you a single pick in the 40-60 range.

 

Not sure management would see that as valuable enough to justify offering arb.

 

Unless they changed the rules in the new CBA but don't they classify Type A and B FAs by their last 2 seasons?

Not sure if the rule still works this way, but wouldn't Dye have been a free agent that previously generated compensation and therefore would not generate compensation for becoming a free agent this time around?

 

Tim, that applies only to Type C free agents.