Padres interested in Murton?

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Pagan gives you options at all the outfield positions, is a switch hitter, can actually field his position and can run.

 

Well, we have 5 other guys that can play OF. 2 can play CF (a 3rd - Soriano - could in a pinch), 3 could play either corner, though Soriano apparently has a death grip on LF. So OF eligibility is worthless to this team.

 

He's a switch hitter? Great - he can suck from both sides of the plate.

 

He can field his position - I think just how well he does that is up for debate, but Murton would be just fine in LF.

 

He can run - that's also fine, though terribly overrated (all things equal, fast > slow, but many many many other things are better than being fast).

[Shavo]

Angel Pagan in 98 AB- 276/327/439

Matt Murton in 119 AB- .252/331/336

 

Pagan has been marginally more productive in about the same amount of time.

 

Just to nitpick, but thats .100 points of SLG better then Murton. I'd say thats way better.

[Skyballer]

Angel Pagan in 98 AB- 276/327/439

Matt Murton in 119 AB- .252/331/336

 

Pagan has been marginally more productive in about the same amount of time.

 

Just to nitpick, but thats .100 points of SLG better then Murton. I'd say thats way better.

Pagan is an a slump and in a week or two when it gets too bad Pagan will be sent down of DFA(not sure bout options), regardless Murton will get the call.

[CubinNY]

Angel Pagan in 98 AB- 276/327/439

Matt Murton in 119 AB- .252/331/336

 

Pagan has been marginally more productive in about the same amount of time.

 

Just to nitpick, but thats .100 points of SLG better then Murton. I'd say thats way better.

Not in the limited number of ABs. That is the problem with cherry picking small data sets. It's probably the difference of a double or two.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Angel Pagan in 98 AB- 276/327/439

Matt Murton in 119 AB- .252/331/336

 

Pagan has been marginally more productive in about the same amount of time.

 

Just to nitpick, but thats .100 points of SLG better then Murton. I'd say thats way better.

Not in the limited number of ABs. That is the problem with cherry picking small data sets. It's probably the difference of a double or two.

 

.100 points of slugging over 100 at bats is 10 extra bases, so more like 5 doubles, or 3 doubles and a HR, or however you want to visualize it.

[Skyballer]

Angel Pagan in 98 AB- 276/327/439

Matt Murton in 119 AB- .252/331/336

 

Pagan has been marginally more productive in about the same amount of time.

 

Just to nitpick, but thats .100 points of SLG better then Murton. I'd say thats way better.

Not in the limited number of ABs. That is the problem with cherry picking small data sets. It's probably the difference of a double or two.

 

.100 points of slugging over 100 at bats is 10 extra bases, so more like 5 doubles, or 3 doubles and a HR, or however you want to visualize it.

Which isn't much at all

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Angel Pagan in 98 AB- 276/327/439

Matt Murton in 119 AB- .252/331/336

 

Pagan has been marginally more productive in about the same amount of time.

 

Just to nitpick, but thats .100 points of SLG better then Murton. I'd say thats way better.

Not in the limited number of ABs. That is the problem with cherry picking small data sets. It's probably the difference of a double or two.

 

.100 points of slugging over 100 at bats is 10 extra bases, so more like 5 doubles, or 3 doubles and a HR, or however you want to visualize it.

Which isn't much at all

 

Actually it's quite a bit for a month's worth of at bats.

[NewUserName]

After a slow start Murton is really starting to hit well in Iowa, with some power. I still dont want him up if he is just going to get the Pie treatment though.

[CubColtPacer]

After a slow start Murton is really starting to hit well in Iowa, with some power. I still dont want him up if he is just going to get the Pie treatment though.

 

If Murton were to be called up, he'd probably get about the same time as he did before. All of the left-handers, and a few of the right-handers for about 50% of the at-bats.

 

It's going to take quite a bit for him to get noticed down there though-right now, he is just a slightly above average Iowa hitter in the hitters paradise that is the 2007 PCL. I certainly hope he can play well though, because the Cubs could really use his bat against left-handers.

[NewUserName]

After a slow start Murton is really starting to hit well in Iowa, with some power. I still dont want him up if he is just going to get the Pie treatment though.

 

If Murton were to be called up, he'd probably get about the same time as he did before. All of the left-handers, and a few of the right-handers for about 50% of the at-bats.

 

It's going to take quite a bit for him to get noticed down there though-right now, he is just a slightly above average Iowa hitter in the hitters paradise that is the 2007 PCL. I certainly hope he can play well though, because the Cubs could really use his bat against left-handers.

 

 

It might not be a matter of him being noticed as much as it may be Angel Pagan becoming Angel Pagan. I think most reasonable people knew he would come back to earth. Now that he is and probably will still come down some more will the Cubs come to their senses and bring up the BETTER hitter.

[CubColtPacer]

After a slow start Murton is really starting to hit well in Iowa, with some power. I still dont want him up if he is just going to get the Pie treatment though.

 

If Murton were to be called up, he'd probably get about the same time as he did before. All of the left-handers, and a few of the right-handers for about 50% of the at-bats.

 

It's going to take quite a bit for him to get noticed down there though-right now, he is just a slightly above average Iowa hitter in the hitters paradise that is the 2007 PCL. I certainly hope he can play well though, because the Cubs could really use his bat against left-handers.

 

 

It might not be a matter of him being noticed as much as it may be Angel Pagan becoming Angel Pagan. I think most reasonable people knew he would come back to earth. Now that he is and probably will still come down some more will the Cubs come to their senses and bring up the BETTER hitter.

 

The Cubs still need a CF to play against LH's though. Murton cannot, Pagan can. RF is less urgent with DeRosa heading out there. The Cubs need to find another option for a RH CF through a trade though because Pagan is not going to be that good either.

[NewUserName]

After a slow start Murton is really starting to hit well in Iowa, with some power. I still dont want him up if he is just going to get the Pie treatment though.

 

If Murton were to be called up, he'd probably get about the same time as he did before. All of the left-handers, and a few of the right-handers for about 50% of the at-bats.

 

It's going to take quite a bit for him to get noticed down there though-right now, he is just a slightly above average Iowa hitter in the hitters paradise that is the 2007 PCL. I certainly hope he can play well though, because the Cubs could really use his bat against left-handers.

 

 

It might not be a matter of him being noticed as much as it may be Angel Pagan becoming Angel Pagan. I think most reasonable people knew he would come back to earth. Now that he is and probably will still come down some more will the Cubs come to their senses and bring up the BETTER hitter.

 

The Cubs still need a CF to play against LH's though. Murton cannot, Pagan can. RF is less urgent with DeRosa heading out there. The Cubs need to find another option for a RH CF through a trade though because Pagan is not going to be that good either.

 

 

Since Pagans biggest downfall is LHed pitching I dont think this makes a difference. He can also stay up. Might as well send Pie down since he isnt playing.

[CubColtPacer]

After a slow start Murton is really starting to hit well in Iowa, with some power. I still dont want him up if he is just going to get the Pie treatment though.

 

If Murton were to be called up, he'd probably get about the same time as he did before. All of the left-handers, and a few of the right-handers for about 50% of the at-bats.

 

It's going to take quite a bit for him to get noticed down there though-right now, he is just a slightly above average Iowa hitter in the hitters paradise that is the 2007 PCL. I certainly hope he can play well though, because the Cubs could really use his bat against left-handers.

 

 

It might not be a matter of him being noticed as much as it may be Angel Pagan becoming Angel Pagan. I think most reasonable people knew he would come back to earth. Now that he is and probably will still come down some more will the Cubs come to their senses and bring up the BETTER hitter.

 

The Cubs still need a CF to play against LH's though. Murton cannot, Pagan can. RF is less urgent with DeRosa heading out there. The Cubs need to find another option for a RH CF through a trade though because Pagan is not going to be that good either.

 

 

Since Pagans biggest downfall is LHed pitching I dont think this makes a difference. He can also stay up. Might as well send Pie down since he isnt playing.

 

Pagan is only up here in the first place to play against LH's. That's exactly why he was called up, and that's been the majority of his playing time in the majors. He may not be good against LH's, but he's a lot better than Pie or Jones in that area.

 

Plus, Pie already will have to be sent down when the Cubs go to 12 pitchers.

 

It's going to be really hard for Murton to get a spot on the roster the way it is currently. You start with 12 pitchers, so that leaves 13 position players. Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, DeRosa, Floyd, and Ward get 6 spots, so there's 7 left. You need 2 SS's, so Theriot and Izturis get spots. You need 2 CF's, so 2 of Jones/Pie/Pagan have to stay up. Add 2 catchers in, and there's only 1 spot left. That goes to 1 of 2 people: Fontenot, or Murton.

 

Basically the only way Murton can get his way back onto the roster is if Fontenot starts slumping to the point that his bat is not useful anymore. It's not a good situation (because Murton could still help the team), but unless DeRosa starts getting a lot more time at SS I don't see how anybody else could possibly go to the minors (except of course for an upgrade at that position, like exchanging Soto for Hill).

[NewUserName]

After a slow start Murton is really starting to hit well in Iowa, with some power. I still dont want him up if he is just going to get the Pie treatment though.

 

If Murton were to be called up, he'd probably get about the same time as he did before. All of the left-handers, and a few of the right-handers for about 50% of the at-bats.

 

It's going to take quite a bit for him to get noticed down there though-right now, he is just a slightly above average Iowa hitter in the hitters paradise that is the 2007 PCL. I certainly hope he can play well though, because the Cubs could really use his bat against left-handers.

 

 

It might not be a matter of him being noticed as much as it may be Angel Pagan becoming Angel Pagan. I think most reasonable people knew he would come back to earth. Now that he is and probably will still come down some more will the Cubs come to their senses and bring up the BETTER hitter.

 

The Cubs still need a CF to play against LH's though. Murton cannot, Pagan can. RF is less urgent with DeRosa heading out there. The Cubs need to find another option for a RH CF through a trade though because Pagan is not going to be that good either.

 

 

Since Pagans biggest downfall is LHed pitching I dont think this makes a difference. He can also stay up. Might as well send Pie down since he isnt playing.

 

Pagan is only up here in the first place to play against LH's. That's exactly why he was called up, and that's been the majority of his playing time in the majors. He may not be good against LH's, but he's a lot better than Pie or Jones in that area.

 

Plus, Pie already will have to be sent down when the Cubs go to 12 pitchers.

 

It's going to be really hard for Murton to get a spot on the roster the way it is currently. You start with 12 pitchers, so that leaves 13 position players. Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, DeRosa, Floyd, and Ward get 6 spots, so there's 7 left. You need 2 SS's, so Theriot and Izturis get spots. You need 2 CF's, so 2 of Jones/Pie/Pagan have to stay up. Add 2 catchers in, and there's only 1 spot left. That goes to 1 of 2 people: Fontenot, or Murton.

 

Basically the only way Murton can get his way back onto the roster is if Fontenot starts slumping to the point that his bat is not useful anymore. It's not a good situation (because Murton could still help the team), but unless DeRosa starts getting a lot more time at SS I don't see how anybody else could possibly go to the minors (except of course for an upgrade at that position, like exchanging Soto for Hill).

 

 

So basically the redundancy of Floyd, Ward and Jones is probably costing the Cubs from having a hitter capable of .800 ops, who would also help against LHers.

[CubColtPacer]

After a slow start Murton is really starting to hit well in Iowa, with some power. I still dont want him up if he is just going to get the Pie treatment though.

 

If Murton were to be called up, he'd probably get about the same time as he did before. All of the left-handers, and a few of the right-handers for about 50% of the at-bats.

 

It's going to take quite a bit for him to get noticed down there though-right now, he is just a slightly above average Iowa hitter in the hitters paradise that is the 2007 PCL. I certainly hope he can play well though, because the Cubs could really use his bat against left-handers.

 

 

It might not be a matter of him being noticed as much as it may be Angel Pagan becoming Angel Pagan. I think most reasonable people knew he would come back to earth. Now that he is and probably will still come down some more will the Cubs come to their senses and bring up the BETTER hitter.

 

The Cubs still need a CF to play against LH's though. Murton cannot, Pagan can. RF is less urgent with DeRosa heading out there. The Cubs need to find another option for a RH CF through a trade though because Pagan is not going to be that good either.

 

 

Since Pagans biggest downfall is LHed pitching I dont think this makes a difference. He can also stay up. Might as well send Pie down since he isnt playing.

 

Pagan is only up here in the first place to play against LH's. That's exactly why he was called up, and that's been the majority of his playing time in the majors. He may not be good against LH's, but he's a lot better than Pie or Jones in that area.

 

Plus, Pie already will have to be sent down when the Cubs go to 12 pitchers.

 

It's going to be really hard for Murton to get a spot on the roster the way it is currently. You start with 12 pitchers, so that leaves 13 position players. Lee, Ramirez, Soriano, DeRosa, Floyd, and Ward get 6 spots, so there's 7 left. You need 2 SS's, so Theriot and Izturis get spots. You need 2 CF's, so 2 of Jones/Pie/Pagan have to stay up. Add 2 catchers in, and there's only 1 spot left. That goes to 1 of 2 people: Fontenot, or Murton.

 

Basically the only way Murton can get his way back onto the roster is if Fontenot starts slumping to the point that his bat is not useful anymore. It's not a good situation (because Murton could still help the team), but unless DeRosa starts getting a lot more time at SS I don't see how anybody else could possibly go to the minors (except of course for an upgrade at that position, like exchanging Soto for Hill).

 

 

So basically the redundancy of Floyd, Ward and Jones is probably costing the Cubs from having a hitter capable of .800 ops, who would also help against LHers.

 

Jones is 1 of the 2 CF's. He doesn't count. Floyd and Ward are somewhat redundant, you are correct, although Floyd wouldn't be needed only if Ward could play the OF consistently, and I don't think anybody wants to get rid of what Ward has given to this team so far.

[CubinNY]

Jones is 1 of the 2 CF's. He doesn't count. Floyd and Ward are somewhat redundant, you are correct, although Floyd wouldn't be needed only if Ward could play the OF consistently, and I don't think anybody wants to get rid of what Ward has given to this team so far.

 

I love the logic. Jones is a CFer so he doesn't count. Fantastic.

 

He's played 160+ gemes in CF and 800+ in RF/LF.

 

Jones counts, he doesn't count for much unfortunately, but he counts.

 

I'd get rid of Ward's fat ass in a NY minute if the Cubs could get an 800/900 OPS outfielder to play in RF every day. If they could find one, they might be able to play Pie in CF every day.

[CubColtPacer]

Jones is 1 of the 2 CF's. He doesn't count. Floyd and Ward are somewhat redundant, you are correct, although Floyd wouldn't be needed only if Ward could play the OF consistently, and I don't think anybody wants to get rid of what Ward has given to this team so far.

 

I love the logic. Jones is a CFer so he doesn't count. Fantastic.

 

He's played 160+ gemes in CF and 800+ in RF/LF.

 

Jones counts, he doesn't count for much unfortunately, but he counts.

 

I'd get rid of Ward's fat ass in a NY minute if the Cubs could get an 800/900 OPS outfielder to play in RF every day. If they could find one, they might be able to play Pie in CF every day.

 

In my breakdown of roster spots, the Cubs need 2 people who can play CF. That needs to be 2 of Jones/Pie/Pagan. The Cubs don't have enough room to keep all 3 of them when they go to 12 pitchers, and the team has to carry 2 of them. Therefore the fact Jones is on the roster would have absolutely nothing to do with Murton coming up because they would be playing different positions. Jones's purpose on the roster in that scenario would be as either a starting or backup centerfielder, and his ability to play in the corners would have no bearing on him being on the roster.

 

Basically, the Cubs would have to drop 2 players in this scenario. 1 would be for the 12th pitcher, and 1 would be for Murton. 1 of these players is going to be 1 of Jones/Pie/Pagan. Who is going to be the other player?

 

As for dropping Ward, I wouldn't do that for Murton. Ward has been a huge bat off of the bench for the Cubs.

[Skyballer]

Jones is 1 of the 2 CF's. He doesn't count. Floyd and Ward are somewhat redundant, you are correct, although Floyd wouldn't be needed only if Ward could play the OF consistently, and I don't think anybody wants to get rid of what Ward has given to this team so far.

 

I love the logic. Jones is a CFer so he doesn't count. Fantastic.

 

He's played 160+ gemes in CF and 800+ in RF/LF.

 

Jones counts, he doesn't count for much unfortunately, but he counts.

 

I'd get rid of Ward's fat ass in a NY minute if the Cubs could get an 800/900 OPS outfielder to play in RF every day. If they could find one, they might be able to play Pie in CF every day.

 

In my breakdown of roster spots, the Cubs need 2 people who can play CF. That needs to be 2 of Jones/Pie/Pagan. The Cubs don't have enough room to keep all 3 of them when they go to 12 pitchers, and the team has to carry 2 of them. Therefore the fact Jones is on the roster would have absolutely nothing to do with Murton coming up because they would be playing different positions. Jones's purpose on the roster in that scenario would be as either a starting or backup centerfielder, and his ability to play in the corners would have no bearing on him being on the roster.

 

Basically, the Cubs would have to drop 2 players in this scenario. 1 would be for the 12th pitcher, and 1 would be for Murton. 1 of these players is going to be 1 of Jones/Pie/Pagan. Who is going to be the other player?

 

As for dropping Ward, I wouldn't do that for Murton. Ward has been a huge bat off of the bench for the Cubs.

What's Ward hitting as a PH.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What's Ward hitting as a PH.

 

217/400/217/617

[Skyballer]

What's Ward hitting as a PH.

 

217/400/217/617

is .400 the obp, i'll take that.