Miller will be skipped

[soapy]

I couldn't find the "Lou won't skip 5th starter" thread so I started a new one. Lou now looks to be skipping Miller again.

 

Cubs don't want Miller going flat

[C.C.]

I couldn't find the "Lou won't skip 5th starter" thread so I started a new one. Lou now looks to be skipping Miller again.

 

Cubs don't want Miller going flat

 

Sounds like a sound plan.

[soapy]

I couldn't find the "Lou won't skip 5th starter" thread so I started a new one. Lou now looks to be skipping Miller again.

 

Cubs don't want Miller going flat

 

Sounds like a sound plan.

 

I'm not so sure. If Miller is bad enough that you want to skip him, give Guzman a chance.

[USSoccer]

Good. Miller should be skipped all the way to the waiver wire.

[biittner77]

Miller will be missed. Or not.

[RynoRules]

Good. Miller should be skipped all the way to the waiver wire.

 

He looked pretty bad in Milw., but I'll allow more than one start before passing judgment.

[C.C.]

Good. Miller should be skipped all the way to the waiver wire.

 

He looked pretty bad in Milw., but I'll allow more than one start before passing judgment.

 

Agreed....

[papabear58]

Good. Miller should be skipped all the way to the waiver wire.

 

He looked pretty bad in Milw., but I'll allow more than one start before passing judgment.

 

Agreed....

 

Here Here! =D>

[soapy]

Good. Miller should be skipped all the way to the waiver wire.

 

He looked pretty bad in Milw., but I'll allow more than one start before passing judgment.

 

Agreed....

 

I would agree, if it was the only thing we had available to estimate Miller's likelyhood of success. Fortunately (or perhaps unfortunately) Miller has a history other than this one game that should be considered.

[USSoccer]

Good. Miller should be skipped all the way to the waiver wire.

 

He looked pretty bad in Milw., but I'll allow more than one start before passing judgment.

 

How many starts should a reclamation project without velocity be allowed to make before alternatives are sought.

 

We're not a good enough team to allow Wade Miller slack.

[TruffleShuffle]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

[USSoccer]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

[E.J.]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

+1

[soapy]

I don't understand why everybody saying it's only one start like Miller is a complete unknown. I'm not saying he can't be somewhat effective at some point, but if they are skipping him this much already, let's not waste a spot in the rotation on him. Get Guzman in there.

[papabear58]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

Then you'd have had your way and he wouldn't have been on the team. Do you remember that he stated clearly that if he didn't win the fifth starters spot that he didn't want to be here?

 

Hendry also said that it would be "unfair" to Miller if he didn't start and would seek to trade or release him. The long relief spot is not an option for Miller.

[TruffleShuffle]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

well okay, except he is on the team. Now, the Cubs didn't hand him the job - they had an open competition between Prior, Miller and Guzman. Miller pitched better than Prior and Guzman. Which begs the question, why have a competition for the 5th spot in the rotation if you're not going to give the winner a fair shot in the regular season?

[soapy]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

Then you'd have had your way and he wouldn't have been on the team. Do you remember that he stated clearly that if he didn't win the fifth starters spot that he didn't want to be here?

 

Hendry also said that it would be "unfair" to Miller if he didn't start and would seek to trade or release him. The long relief spot is not an option for Miller.

 

Then that's an irresponsible way to put together a winning team. You don't make promises like that you can't keep. If he's not good enough to start when his turn comes up, you put him in the pen and tell him to get over it.

[Soul]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

well okay, except he is on the team. Now, the Cubs didn't hand him the job - they had an open competition between Prior, Miller and Guzman. Miller pitched better than Prior and Guzman. Which begs the question, why have a competition for the 5th spot in the rotation if you're not going to give the winner a fair shot in the regular season?

 

Eh? Guzman looked to have better stuff in ST than Miller & Prior.

Edited April 10, 2007 by Soul

[USSoccer]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

Then you'd have had your way and he wouldn't have been on the team. Do you remember that he stated clearly that if he didn't win the fifth starters spot that he didn't want to be here?

 

Hendry also said that it would be "unfair" to Miller if he didn't start and would seek to trade or release him. The long relief spot is not an option for Miller.

 

I could care less what Wade Miller wants, or what he feels is unfair. What's unfair is losing winnable games because your starting pitcher can't crack 90mph and throws the ball straight down the middle.

 

If I were Jim Hendry, I would have exlained in no uncertain terms to Miller that since the Cubs spent money allowing Miller to rehab his shredded shoulder, they'll put him wherever they want, and if he threw a fit, I'd DFA him, since it would be no great loss by any stretch of the imagination.

[papabear58]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

Then you'd have had your way and he wouldn't have been on the team. Do you remember that he stated clearly that if he didn't win the fifth starters spot that he didn't want to be here?

 

Hendry also said that it would be "unfair" to Miller if he didn't start and would seek to trade or release him. The long relief spot is not an option for Miller.

 

Then that's an irresponsible way to put together a winning team. You don't make promises like that you can't keep. If he's not good enough to start when his turn comes up, you put him in the pen and tell him to get over it.

 

Or you release him. But the post directly above yours says it beautifully. Miller beat both Prior and Guzman in spring training and should be given a fair shot. I guess we differ on what is a fair shot.

[USSoccer]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

well okay, except he is on the team. Now, the Cubs didn't hand him the job - they had an open competition between Prior, Miller and Guzman. Miller pitched better than Prior and Guzman. Which begs the question, why have a competition for the 5th spot in the rotation if you're not going to give the winner a fair shot in the regular season?

 

Guzman was better than Miller, and Miller and Prior were about the same. Now, Prior can't go more than a few innings right now, fine, but Guzman was the better choice out of spring, and remains the best option for starting games.

[papabear58]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

well okay, except he is on the team. Now, the Cubs didn't hand him the job - they had an open competition between Prior, Miller and Guzman. Miller pitched better than Prior and Guzman. Which begs the question, why have a competition for the 5th spot in the rotation if you're not going to give the winner a fair shot in the regular season?

 

Eh? Guzman looked to have better stuff in ST than Miller & Prior.

 

But good stuff is not the only measurement of a pitcher. Miller produced better results in the eyes of the Cubs. That's why he won the job.

[E.J.]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

Then you'd have had your way and he wouldn't have been on the team. Do you remember that he stated clearly that if he didn't win the fifth starters spot that he didn't want to be here?

 

Hendry also said that it would be "unfair" to Miller if he didn't start and would seek to trade or release him. The long relief spot is not an option for Miller.

 

I don't understand this at all. Is Miller too good to be put into the bullpen? Just because he was a good pitcher 3 years ago doesn't mean he should automatically be treated like gold. He's not the same pitcher he used to be. He's not throwing the in mid-90's anymore. We did the guy a favor by basically paying him all last year to use the Cubs facilities to try and get healthy. If anything, he should do whatever the Cubs ask of him, not the other way around.

[TruffleShuffle]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

well okay, except he is on the team. Now, the Cubs didn't hand him the job - they had an open competition between Prior, Miller and Guzman. Miller pitched better than Prior and Guzman. Which begs the question, why have a competition for the 5th spot in the rotation if you're not going to give the winner a fair shot in the regular season?

 

Eh? Guzman looked to have better stuff in ST than Miller & Prior.

 

Miller: 3.64 ERA, 17.1 IP, 22 H, 4 BB, 16 K

Guzman: 5.79 ERA, 13.2 IP, 18 H, 1 BB, 7 K

 

 

They were both hittable, but Miller struck guys out at a better rate. "Stuff" is great but isn't worth a whole lot if you don't know how to locate it.

[USSoccer]

if we're only going can a guy for one start, why even have him on the team in the first place?

 

If I had been the GM, he wouldn't have been on the team in this capacity.

 

well okay, except he is on the team. Now, the Cubs didn't hand him the job - they had an open competition between Prior, Miller and Guzman. Miller pitched better than Prior and Guzman. Which begs the question, why have a competition for the 5th spot in the rotation if you're not going to give the winner a fair shot in the regular season?

 

Eh? Guzman looked to have better stuff in ST than Miller & Prior.

 

But good stuff is not the only measurement of a pitcher. Miller produced better results in the eyes of the Cubs. That's why he won the job.

 

Relying on results in spring training games is a stupid and ignorant way of constructing a baseball team.