Anybody just hear Will Carroll on 670?

[YearofDaCubs]

He was on and they were talking about Prior but the only thing I caught was at the end where Will says Prior can still be an effective pitcher even without his velocity.

[Soriano12]

He was on and they were talking about Prior but the only thing I caught was at the end where Will says Prior can still be an effective pitcher even without his velocity.

 

He can be effective minus velocity..............

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in AAA

[BDWeav71]

Lawerence Holmes asked Carroll his thoughts on Prior, and he said simply "i just don't know." He thought he just lacked confidence, and it might stem from a fear of getting injured again.

 

It was a brief conversation, you didn't miss a whole lot.

[98navigator]

I think Carroll's correct about Prior's loss of confidence but I also heard him admit that he had yet to see Prior's most recent pitching performance. Carroll claimed to not see a difference in his mechanics but I disagree.

[C.C.]

Lawerence Holmes asked Carroll his thoughts on Prior, and he said simply "i just don't know." He thought he just lacked confidence, and it might stem from a fear of getting injured again.

 

It was a brief conversation, you didn't miss a whole lot.

 

Don't need to be an expert to see he lacked confidence. It has been painfully obvious...

[waffle]

I think Carroll's correct about Prior's loss of confidence but I also heard him admit that he had yet to see Prior's most recent pitching performance. Carroll claimed to not see a difference in his mechanics but I disagree.

Didn't members of the opposing team yesterday state his mechanics appeared the same?

 

Ah, the mysteries of the mind....

[BDWeav71]

Lawerence Holmes asked Carroll his thoughts on Prior, and he said simply "i just don't know." He thought he just lacked confidence, and it might stem from a fear of getting injured again.

 

It was a brief conversation, you didn't miss a whole lot.

 

Don't need to be an expert to see he lacked confidence. It has been painfully obvious...

 

 

Exactly. I'm concerned about it, but i feel if he continues to pitch pain free (which i hope is happening), then the confidence will slowly come.

[98navigator]

I think Carroll's correct about Prior's loss of confidence but I also heard him admit that he had yet to see Prior's most recent pitching performance. Carroll claimed to not see a difference in his mechanics but I disagree.

Didn't members of the opposing team yesterday state his mechanics appeared the same?

 

Ah, the mysteries of the mind....

 

Bud Black and Sanders said that. His arm is lower than usual. They don't see him often enough to see the difference.

 

Even Prior knows he's throwing differently; when he says he isn't "lined up" correctly, that's what he's referring to...

[swordsman]

Is this a case where early year home-crowd reaction could influence performance?

 

cheers and encouragement leads to improved confidence

boos and jeers lead to decreased confidence

 

Just askin'.

[Sammy Sofa]

Is this a case where early year home-crowd reaction could influence performance?

 

cheers and encouragement leads to improved confidence

boos and jeers lead to decreased confidence

 

Just askin'.

 

How could anyone have an actual answer for that?

 

Just sayin'.

[KingCubsFan]

I think Carroll's correct about Prior's loss of confidence but I also heard him admit that he had yet to see Prior's most recent pitching performance. Carroll claimed to not see a difference in his mechanics but I disagree.

Didn't members of the opposing team yesterday state his mechanics appeared the same?

 

Ah, the mysteries of the mind....

 

Bud Black and Sanders said that. His arm is lower than usual. They don't see him often enough to see the difference.

 

Even Prior knows he's throwing differently; when he says he isn't "lined up" correctly, that's what he's referring to...

Rothschild said he was throwing across his body

[swordsman]

Is this a case where early year home-crowd reaction could influence performance?

 

cheers and encouragement leads to improved confidence

boos and jeers lead to decreased confidence

 

Just askin'.

 

How could anyone have an actual answer for that?

 

Just sayin'.

 

How about pull it out of your donkey like most other posters around here.

 

:wink:

[Elrhino]

Going into the season, I didn't anticipate Prior to even begin throwing against live competition until May. As far as I'm concerned, everything he's done in Surprise has been gravy. When we get to May/June and Prior is still struggling with command and velocity, I'll be worried/disappointed.

[Wilson A2000]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

[cheapseats]

In today's Under the Knife

 

The two outings that Prior has had don't show me anything in the way of injury. He hasn't shown an injury-type posture, an injury-caused alteration of his mechanics, or an injury-type response after throwing. In other words, I don't know either, but I'm getting more and more sure that you're not going to find out the reasons in the training room or on my beat.

[Magnetic Curses]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

 

And I'm not worried about location/command after 3.1 ST innings.

[YearofDaCubs]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

Velocity is a problem. he's a power pitcher throwing in the 80's how is that not a problem. Wade Miller Jr.

[Guest]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

I disagree. More velocity gives pitchers more margin for error. If we want Prior to return to his previous level of performance, he's going to have to regain that speed. There are very, very few pitchers who can dominate like he did without better than average velocity. There just aren't many Greg Maddux pitchers out there. And even he combined better than average velocity with pinpoint control and great movement when he was at his peak. Since he lost those mph, he's become an innings eater instead of a great pitcher.

[pitchcs]

I think Carroll's correct about Prior's loss of confidence but I also heard him admit that he had yet to see Prior's most recent pitching performance. Carroll claimed to not see a difference in his mechanics but I disagree.

Didn't members of the opposing team yesterday state his mechanics appeared the same?

 

Ah, the mysteries of the mind....

 

Bud Black and Sanders said that. His arm is lower than usual. They don't see him often enough to see the difference.

 

Even Prior knows he's throwing differently; when he says he isn't "lined up" correctly, that's what he's referring to...

Rothschild said he was throwing across his body

 

You can look at photos from the game and see that he was. He is stepping much more towards 3rd base than he ever had in the past. This could be cause for a good 3 MPH decline.

[Magnetic Curses]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

Velocity is a problem. he's a power pitcher throwing in the 80's how is that not a problem. Wade Miller Jr.

 

no, it's not. i remember the same flags going up last year when he came back into the big league rotation. he was throwing in the high 80's and people were freaking out. after a couple starts he was back in the low to mid 90's and people were still freaking out because he couldn't throw strikes.

 

you're ready to anoint him wade miller jr. after 3 1/3 innings of work in cactus league action, talk about overreacting.

[Magnetic Curses]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

I disagree. More velocity gives pitchers more margin for error. If we want Prior to return to his previous level of performance, he's going to have to regain that speed. There are very, very few pitchers who can dominate like he did without better than average velocity. There just aren't many Greg Maddux pitchers out there. And even he combined better than average velocity with pinpoint control and great movement when he was at his peak. Since he lost those mph, he's become an innings eater instead of a great pitcher.

 

we don't know if he's lost velocity or not. he hasn't thrown to live hitters in a very long time and it's still very early in the spring.

 

when april 1st hits, we'll know if he's lost velocity or not.

[Guest]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

I disagree. More velocity gives pitchers more margin for error. If we want Prior to return to his previous level of performance, he's going to have to regain that speed. There are very, very few pitchers who can dominate like he did without better than average velocity. There just aren't many Greg Maddux pitchers out there. And even he combined better than average velocity with pinpoint control and great movement when he was at his peak. Since he lost those mph, he's become an innings eater instead of a great pitcher.

 

we don't know if he's lost velocity or not. he hasn't thrown to live hitters in a very long time and it's still very early in the spring.

 

when april 1st hits, we'll know if he's lost velocity or not.

I never said anything about that. You made the statement that velocity is not the problem. That implies that if he never got the velocity back, he'd be fine. I disagree with that sentiment wholeheartedly.

[Magnetic Curses]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

I disagree. More velocity gives pitchers more margin for error. If we want Prior to return to his previous level of performance, he's going to have to regain that speed. There are very, very few pitchers who can dominate like he did without better than average velocity. There just aren't many Greg Maddux pitchers out there. And even he combined better than average velocity with pinpoint control and great movement when he was at his peak. Since he lost those mph, he's become an innings eater instead of a great pitcher.

 

we don't know if he's lost velocity or not. he hasn't thrown to live hitters in a very long time and it's still very early in the spring.

 

when april 1st hits, we'll know if he's lost velocity or not.

I never said anything about that. You made the statement that velocity is not the problem. That implies that if he never got the velocity back, he'd be fine. I disagree with that sentiment wholeheartedly.

 

that makes no sense, and is actually the opposite of what i'm trying to say.

 

i'm assuming that he WILL get his velocity back (because it's not the problem), but that if he can't locate his pitches effectively, he'll suffer greatly. so, you're agreeing with what i was trying to say.

[YearofDaCubs]

I know what happened: Prior was on steroids. Someone tell him that HGH can't be tested for.

 

i don't know if this is serious or not, but velocity is not the problem. the problem is that he can't get a breaking ball across the plate and he can't locate his 2-seamer.

Velocity is a problem. he's a power pitcher throwing in the 80's how is that not a problem. Wade Miller Jr.

 

no, it's not. i remember the same flags going up last year when he came back into the big league rotation. he was throwing in the high 80's and people were freaking out. after a couple starts he was back in the low to mid 90's and people were still freaking out because he couldn't throw strikes.

 

you're ready to anoint him wade miller jr. after 3 1/3 innings of work in cactus league action, talk about overreacting.

No he wasn't. Although he would touch the 90's his velocity was mostly in the 80's. I don't see how his velocity will go from the 87s to the low 92's so easily. People who are holding out hope for Prior of 2003 to come back will unfortunately be disappointed.