Grand Marquis

[LetsGoCubs89]

I dont know about you guys but i think he is looking pretty damn good this spring. i sure hope this transfers over to the regular season

[98navigator]

As long as he continues throwing, predominantly, ground balls I'll be happy. :D

[texascub]

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[Mephistopheles]

this may be cliche, but im not counting on it: 4 SO in 9.0 IP. Though just two walks is encouraging.

[Soriano12]

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[CUBZ99]

He has quietly been having a terrific spring. Lets hope that he can hold it together once the season starts and perform like he is capable of performing.

[Danny82]

this may be cliche, but im not counting on it: 4 SO in 9.0 IP. Though just two walks is encouraging.

 

He isn't a strikeout pitcher. He goes into most every at bat trying to induce a ground ball.

[Omar]

Maybe a change in manager/pitching coach, image, and confidence is just what he needed.

[Roast]

I drive a grand marquis.

 

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[Mephistopheles]

this may be cliche, but im not counting on it: 4 SO in 9.0 IP. Though just two walks is encouraging.

 

He isn't a strikeout pitcher. He goes into most every at bat trying to induce a ground ball.

just because he tries to do something it doesnt mean its the right thing

[cubweiser03]

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Some BandWGN you are starting. Remind me to not jump aboard this one. :)

[Danny82]

this may be cliche, but im not counting on it: 4 SO in 9.0 IP. Though just two walks is encouraging.

 

He isn't a strikeout pitcher. He goes into most every at bat trying to induce a ground ball.

just because he tries to do something it doesnt mean its the right thing

 

And what did you say the times when someone like Kerry Wood was at 100 pitches after five innings because he was trying to strike everyone out?

 

He has to pitch to his strength. It makes little sense for him to waste more pitches in an effort to strike more people out if that isn't what he does best.

[Mephistopheles]

this may be cliche, but im not counting on it: 4 SO in 9.0 IP. Though just two walks is encouraging.

 

He isn't a strikeout pitcher. He goes into most every at bat trying to induce a ground ball.

just because he tries to do something it doesnt mean its the right thing

 

And what did you say the times when someone like Kerry Wood was at 100 pitches after five innings because he was trying to strike everyone out?

 

He has to pitch to his strength. It makes little sense for him to waste more pitches in an effort to strike more people out if that isn't what he does best.

ugh its not just strikeouts when i point that out. specifically it's dominance measured by K:BB. Kerry Wood's not that ---> high pitch counts. Ditto for Zambrano and to a certain extent Prior. Other strikeout pitchers in the league don't rack up the pitches all that much more than your standard pitcher. the only reason the cubs ones do is because they walk too many.

[otis89]

We have a 1988 Mercury Grand Marquis. When we bought it, it looked like a grandpa car, a blowout and some rust later, not so much. :lol:

[jjgman21]

this may be cliche, but im not counting on it: 4 SO in 9.0 IP. Though just two walks is encouraging.

 

He isn't a strikeout pitcher. He goes into most every at bat trying to induce a ground ball.

just because he tries to do something it doesnt mean its the right thing

 

And what did you say the times when someone like Kerry Wood was at 100 pitches after five innings because he was trying to strike everyone out?

 

He has to pitch to his strength. It makes little sense for him to waste more pitches in an effort to strike more people out if that isn't what he does best.

ugh its not just strikeouts when i point that out. specifically it's dominance measured by K:BB.

 

which will be relevant when we start asking Marquis to be our Ace. he's not going to "dominate" with his stuff, nor will he be asked to. but he's certainly capable of living up to his contract and performing above what you hope for out of a 4th or 5th starter by striking out 4.5-6.0/9 and a K:BB around 1.75.

[rocket]

let's not get excited about 2 spring training starts.

[texascub]

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Some BandWGN you are starting. Remind me to not jump aboard this one. :)

 

Oh, come on cubweiser! It'll be a fun ride straight to the top (of the scrap heap!! :lol:)

[BDWeav71]

let's not get excited about 2 spring training starts.

 

Eh, its much better than being discouraged!

[Danny82]

He has three starts by my count.

[A New Era]

From what some people said over on the cardinals board. He tends to do very well the first couple of months. And then he starts sucking. So I'm crossing my fingers and hoping against hope that Marquis can be good all year. I have faith he can.

[98navigator]

Three starts: March 1st, 6th & 11th

[rocket]

well never mind then, put him #1 in the rotation

[A New Era]

You all remember the marmol bandWGN last year? Well where is he now? Not on our team that's for sure. No bandWGN's plz. 8-)

[Mephistopheles]

which will be relevant when we start asking Marquis to be our Ace. he's not going to "dominate" with his stuff, nor will he be asked to. but he's certainly capable of living up to his contract and performing above what you hope for out of a 4th or 5th starter by striking out 4.5-6.0/9 and a K:BB around 1.75.

 

God some of you just don't get it. I'm not one to name a starting pitcher's role. The simple fact (FACT, NOT OPINION) is that every single starter in baseball has the same damn job. What difference is there between an "ace" and a "5th starter" when it comes to baseball? Are the Cubs spotted a run when their ace goes? No, they have the same job. Naming them means absolutely nothing and is a waste of time.

 

When I say dominance, I don't mean going out there and pitching like an "ace." K:BB dominance is no more than being the best pitcher you can be. There's maybe one or two other factors, but K:BB is one of the most important if not the most important thing when evaluating how good a pitcher is. Quite frankly, Marquis is not very good at it, never has been and never will be. The ability to strikeout guys without walking them is by far the most important skill a pitcher can possess. It has nothing to do with his "role" it has everything to do with his job - getting people out.

 

Capable to living up to his contract? Come on, let's not be naive, I'm not looking at his contract and saying he sucks. I'm looking at him and saying he sucks. It doesn't make a difference if he's making seven million or 1/7th of a million. At the end of the day he's the same pitchers so I am going to evaluate his pitching looking at that, not the number of zeroes on his paycheck.

 

He has three starts by my count.

 

Does it really make a difference? For the love of God it's nine innings. We all saw what Ryan O'Malley could do for about the same time.

[Danny82]

He said there were two games. I pointed out there were three.

 

Big deal.

 

FWIW, I think maybe you would get your point across better here if you didn't talk down to people so much.