The Bears Offseason Thread

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

[Chocolate Milk]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

 

I guess it's nice that Angelo is being selective but I doubt we'll see a better offer than that. I'm dissapointed.

[Soriano12]

I don't think he wanted the salary that the #6 pick would commend, and was unsure if he could trade down. Don't blame him, especially when he can find elite talent anywhere in the draft. If you could do the 2006 draft over again, I'd say Devin Hester & Mark Anderson should be top 15 picks.

[Derwood]

I don't think he wanted the salary that the #6 pick would commend, and was unsure if he could trade down. Don't blame him, especially when he can find elite talent anywhere in the draft. If you could do the 2006 draft over again, I'd say Devin Hester & Mark Anderson should be top 15 picks.

 

this is the reason the NFL should implement a rookie cap a la the NBA.

[Chocolate Milk]

If we don't end up trading Briggs before the draft, rejecting this deal is going to be huge mistake.

[Soriano12]

I don't think he wanted the salary that the #6 pick would commend, and was unsure if he could trade down. Don't blame him, especially when he can find elite talent anywhere in the draft. If you could do the 2006 draft over again, I'd say Devin Hester & Mark Anderson should be top 15 picks.

 

this is the reason the NFL should implement a rookie cap a la the NBA.

 

I'm beginning to think Jimmy Johnson's trade value chart needs to be, well, "re-evaluated" Off the top of my head I can't remember any teams trading up into the top 10, or out of it in recent years. IMO, because of the salaries of top 5-10 picks, those picks are become less desirable.

[Magnetic Curses]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

 

I guess it's nice that Angelo is being selective but I doubt we'll see a better offer than that. I'm dissapointed.

 

briggs is a 2-time all-pro selection after 4 years in the league. a sure-thing. letting the redskins get away with swapping picks would be absolutely criminal.

[Chocolate Milk]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

 

I guess it's nice that Angelo is being selective but I doubt we'll see a better offer than that. I'm dissapointed.

 

briggs is a 2-time all-pro selection after 4 years in the league. a sure-thing. letting the redskins get away with swapping picks would be absolutely criminal.

 

Briggs is as good as gone. Letting him walk and getting nothing in return would be criminal.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Good for JA. If the 'skins aren't willing to negotiate, they're just trying to take advantage of a situation.

[cubweiser03]

I don't think he wanted the salary that the #6 pick would commend, and was unsure if he could trade down. Don't blame him, especially when he can find elite talent anywhere in the draft. If you could do the 2006 draft over again, I'd say Devin Hester & Mark Anderson should be top 15 picks.

 

this is the reason the NFL should implement a rookie cap a la the NBA.

 

I'm beginning to think Jimmy Johnson's trade value chart needs to be, well, "re-evaluated" Off the top of my head I can't remember any teams trading up into the top 10, or out of it in recent years. IMO, because of the salaries of top 5-10 picks, those picks are become less desirable.

 

Ive been thinking the same thing. If the Bears were to work something out for the Bills #12 spot id like that more. 6 spots isnt that much of a talent drop off but it is in terms of $ risked on. Tommie Harris is a good example of this. Bears hit the jackpot.

 

Im beginning to even wonder that at current pace/trend we've seen over the years for top 10 talent that some team will 'overdraft' a player on the premise of an agreed upon contract. Ala what we see in baseball. Why not draft Greg Olsen at #6 and pay him say #12 money. He should know hes not going to get drafted top 10 otherwise, its good for him too.

[Magnetic Curses]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

 

I guess it's nice that Angelo is being selective but I doubt we'll see a better offer than that. I'm dissapointed.

 

briggs is a 2-time all-pro selection after 4 years in the league. a sure-thing. letting the redskins get away with swapping picks would be absolutely criminal.

 

Briggs is as good as gone. Letting him walk and getting nothing in return would be criminal.

 

briggs isn't in any kind of position to be dictating what the bears do. the seahawks went through this for a couple of years with walter jones. no one has ever held out after being tagged.

[Chocolate Milk]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

 

I guess it's nice that Angelo is being selective but I doubt we'll see a better offer than that. I'm dissapointed.

 

briggs is a 2-time all-pro selection after 4 years in the league. a sure-thing. letting the redskins get away with swapping picks would be absolutely criminal.

 

Briggs is as good as gone. Letting him walk and getting nothing in return would be criminal.

 

briggs isn't in any kind of position to be dictating what the bears do. the seahawks went through this for a couple of years with walter jones. no one has ever held out after being tagged.

 

There is a first time for everything.

 

Pretty sure we're never going to agree on this one.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

 

I guess it's nice that Angelo is being selective but I doubt we'll see a better offer than that. I'm dissapointed.

 

briggs is a 2-time all-pro selection after 4 years in the league. a sure-thing. letting the redskins get away with swapping picks would be absolutely criminal.

 

Briggs is as good as gone. Letting him walk and getting nothing in return would be criminal.

 

briggs isn't in any kind of position to be dictating what the bears do. the seahawks went through this for a couple of years with walter jones. no one has ever held out after being tagged.

 

There is a first time for everything.

 

Pretty sure we're never going to agree on this one.

 

WHILE i AGREE THERE IS A 1ST FOR EVERYTHING, i DONT THINK ja SHOULD BE BULLIED BY BRIGGS.

 

(caps are hell)

 

Why not wait it out ans see if there are any better offers? its worh a shot...

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Ill say this in the bluntest way possible: Let him rot.

[Jon]

The schedule was supposed to be released Thursday, but the NFL has pushed it back until as late as April 19, according to ESPN.com.

[CubColtPacer]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

 

I guess it's nice that Angelo is being selective but I doubt we'll see a better offer than that. I'm dissapointed.

 

briggs is a 2-time all-pro selection after 4 years in the league. a sure-thing. letting the redskins get away with swapping picks would be absolutely criminal.

 

Briggs is as good as gone. Letting him walk and getting nothing in return would be criminal.

 

briggs isn't in any kind of position to be dictating what the bears do. the seahawks went through this for a couple of years with walter jones. no one has ever held out after being tagged.

 

Sean Gilbert is one example of a player who held out the entire year after being franchised.

 

More and more players have also shown they are willing to hold out until week 10-Joey Galloway held out until week 10, Keenan Mcardell was at week 8 or 9 when he was traded, and the Patriots traded Branch after week 1 last year when it became apparent he wasn't coming back are all examples in the last few years of a player holding out for a long, long time. Is there a decent possibility that Briggs comes back? Sure-but there is also a decent possibility that he wouldn't come back until week 10 either following the examples of these other players.

[Soul]

I think the Redskins are being fickle. I really do. McIntosh would either 1) never play, or 2) be switched in position if they acquired Briggs. In short, they don't need McIntosh if they acquire Briggs, so they've essentially nixed a chance at a pro bowl linebacker for a guy who wouldn't start.

 

I consider it a possibility that the Skins will return to the table with a better offer -- if not McIntosh, perhaps another lower-round pick as a sweetener. There's still time before draft day.

[Magnetic Curses]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

 

I guess it's nice that Angelo is being selective but I doubt we'll see a better offer than that. I'm dissapointed.

 

briggs is a 2-time all-pro selection after 4 years in the league. a sure-thing. letting the redskins get away with swapping picks would be absolutely criminal.

 

Briggs is as good as gone. Letting him walk and getting nothing in return would be criminal.

 

briggs isn't in any kind of position to be dictating what the bears do. the seahawks went through this for a couple of years with walter jones. no one has ever held out after being tagged.

 

Sean Gilbert is one example of a player who held out the entire year after being franchised.

 

More and more players have also shown they are willing to hold out until week 10-Joey Galloway held out until week 10, Keenan Mcardell was at week 8 or 9 when he was traded, and the Patriots traded Branch after week 1 last year when it became apparent he wasn't coming back are all examples in the last few years of a player holding out for a long, long time. Is there a decent possibility that Briggs comes back? Sure-but there is also a decent possibility that he wouldn't come back until week 10 either following the examples of these other players.

 

but hadn't gilbert been franchised before that? i'm not sure and don't know much about it, so i could be wrong.

 

nonetheless, it's still a mistake to let one player run a team. let him hold out if he wants, i still doubt that he would sacrifice one of his prime years just to prove a point.

 

anyway, i know that you don't want him to come back, the bears are a pretty good team with him, capable of challenging for a superbowl.

[Chocolate Milk]

i still doubt that he would sacrifice one of his prime years just to prove a point.

 

I hope you're right. I'm worried that he only plays on a limited basis this year, is gone the next, and the Bears are left with nothing to show for it. I'm also not thrilled with the prospect of Leon Joe playing WLB for most of the season.

[Chocolate Milk]

My guess is that the Bears think they'd only get a mid first talent at the 6th pick so it wasn't worth it. I hope they are contacting the Giants, Bills, or Niners about their first rounders.

[CubColtPacer]

Bears reject the trade.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6640430

 

I guess it's nice that Angelo is being selective but I doubt we'll see a better offer than that. I'm dissapointed.

 

briggs is a 2-time all-pro selection after 4 years in the league. a sure-thing. letting the redskins get away with swapping picks would be absolutely criminal.

 

Briggs is as good as gone. Letting him walk and getting nothing in return would be criminal.

 

briggs isn't in any kind of position to be dictating what the bears do. the seahawks went through this for a couple of years with walter jones. no one has ever held out after being tagged.

 

Sean Gilbert is one example of a player who held out the entire year after being franchised.

 

More and more players have also shown they are willing to hold out until week 10-Joey Galloway held out until week 10, Keenan Mcardell was at week 8 or 9 when he was traded, and the Patriots traded Branch after week 1 last year when it became apparent he wasn't coming back are all examples in the last few years of a player holding out for a long, long time. Is there a decent possibility that Briggs comes back? Sure-but there is also a decent possibility that he wouldn't come back until week 10 either following the examples of these other players.

 

but hadn't gilbert been franchised before that? i'm not sure and don't know much about it, so i could be wrong.

 

nonetheless, it's still a mistake to let one player run a team. let him hold out if he wants, i still doubt that he would sacrifice one of his prime years just to prove a point.

 

anyway, i know that you don't want him to come back, the bears are a pretty good team with him, capable of challenging for a superbowl.

 

Yup-the Bears are a very good team with him-definitely capable of winning a Superbowl and definitely the best team in the NFC. Still, if I wanted the best thing for the Colts, I would want the Bears to sign Briggs to a huge deal because I believe that would be a huge misallocation of resources.

When I talk in this thread, I try to never go with that perspective, and instead always think of what's best for the Bears.

 

Besides, I'm not sure Briggs feels that he would be wasting a season. If he doesn't force a trade, he still can play 6 games and make millions. As far as setting an example to show that the team is bigger than the player, I'm not sure how well that works in today's culture. It might set a precedent for 2-3 years, but is that precedent for 2-3 years worth more than he could get in trade? I don't think so, but maybe it is.

[Jon]

Trib[/url]"]"I'm excited about doing that," Grossman said. "I like it. It's a little different pass rush for the defensive ends, who don't know where I'm going to line up. If someone happens to come free, I'll be able to maneuver better because I'll have my feet set rather than dropping back and then having to escape."

 

The shotgun is not a favorite of offensive coordinator Ron Turner.

 

"I don't know if they have me talked into it," Turner said, laughing, "It's something we talked about a year ago that we were going to look into but just never got to."

 

Grossman, after taking about six weeks off for vacations and to attend a couple of weddings with wife Alison, has been spending a lot of time at Halas Hall with new quarterbacks coach Pep Hamilton. The former 49ers assistant had access in San Francisco to tapes of Montana and Aikman doing particular drills that helped them develop in ways that could benefit Grossman too.

 

"To see that and some of their game film and how they took that to the field has been interesting and I'm excited about doing it," Grossman said, citing footwork, rhythm and balance along with moving in the pocket as attributes he can develop further.

[Banedon]

From John Clayton:

 

The next move for the Redskins to determine if they want to move on and work on other options for the No. 6 pick in the draft. From the Bears standpoint, though, they still believe there is a chance of making a deal for Briggs with the Redskins before the NFL draft.

[Balsa]

Trib[/url]"]"I'm excited about doing that," Grossman said. "I like it. It's a little different pass rush for the defensive ends, who don't know where I'm going to line up. If someone happens to come free, I'll be able to maneuver better because I'll have my feet set rather than dropping back and then having to escape."

 

The shotgun is not a favorite of offensive coordinator Ron Turner.

 

"I don't know if they have me talked into it," Turner said, laughing, "It's something we talked about a year ago that we were going to look into but just never got to."

 

Grossman, after taking about six weeks off for vacations and to attend a couple of weddings with wife Alison, has been spending a lot of time at Halas Hall with new quarterbacks coach Pep Hamilton. The former 49ers assistant had access in San Francisco to tapes of Montana and Aikman doing particular drills that helped them develop in ways that could benefit Grossman too.

 

"To see that and some of their game film and how they took that to the field has been interesting and I'm excited about doing it," Grossman said, citing footwork, rhythm and balance along with moving in the pocket as attributes he can develop further.

Well at least he realizes this.

[Magnetic Curses]

Besides, I'm not sure Briggs feels that he would be wasting a season. If he doesn't force a trade, he still can play 6 games and make millions. As far as setting an example to show that the team is bigger than the player, I'm not sure how well that works in today's culture. It might set a precedent for 2-3 years, but is that precedent for 2-3 years worth more than he could get in trade? I don't think so, but maybe it is.

 

1. Briggs is a player obsessed with his own stats, pro-bowl appearances, and all-pro selections. he would consider it wasting a year, i'll call his bluff.

 

2. it's not simply showing the team is bigger than the player. it's sending a message to ther players up for contract extensions, that the bears can and will use the franchise tag, first and foremost, and they will play hardball afterwards. remember, the bears have some other pro-bowlers due for extensions soon.

 

briggs gambled that the bears wouldn't use the tag when he rejected the first offer, he lost that wager. do you think that tommie harris, nathan vasher and peanut tillman were paying close attention? i think they were.

 

those players might be convinced to take the first offer the bears give them, if in the ballpark, rather than waste time haggling over a million or two in guaranteed money--risk sitting out a season and getting no long-term secturity.