The Bears Offseason Thread

[RynoRules]

Count me in the camp that definitely wants to see Mike Brown restructure and come back to the Bears.

 

Yep.

 

Me too.

 

I dunno if Archuleta is really an answer for us, but I don't mind giving up only a 6th rnd pick for him. Am I wrong in saying that he isn't much of a play maker?

[Soul]

Count me in the camp that definitely wants to see Mike Brown restructure and come back to the Bears.

 

Yep.

 

Me too.

 

I dunno if Archuleta is really an answer for us, but I don't mind giving up only a 6th rnd pick for him. Am I wrong in saying that he isn't much of a play maker?

 

At this point you are probably not wrong. Very early in his career he would come up and make some great hits. I think that's how he made his name. For the past 2 seasons though he's been really absent. Lovie must think he can either get back to his old glory years, or at least provide some veteran leadership if MB is let go. IMO it's more likely he'll do the latter than the former. We'll see.

[jmajew]

Mark it down...If the Bears don't keep Mike Brown we will be a 500 team next year.

 

That is a ludacris statement, while I love Mike Brown, this team will not be 500 without him. How many games has he played the last 2 years, and yet the Bears are 24-8 duing the regular season.

 

Last two years Bears 15-3 with Brown 9-5 without. For his career. The Bears are 45-40 with Brown and 13-14 without. When Brown went out last year our defense went from 1st to 13th. Then when Harris went out our defense went from 13th to 28th.

 

How crazy was my statement? As goes Mike Brown so goes the Bears.

[Soriano12]

Mark it down...If the Bears don't keep Mike Brown we will be a 500 team next year.

 

That is a ludacris statement, while I love Mike Brown, this team will not be 500 without him. How many games has he played the last 2 years, and yet the Bears are 24-8 duing the regular season.

 

Last two years Bears 15-3 with Brown 9-5 without. For his career. The Bears are 45-40 with Brown and 13-14 without. When Brown went out last year our defense went from 1st to 13th. Then when Harris went out our defense went from 13th to 28th.

 

How crazy was my statement? As goes Mike Brown so goes the Bears.

 

 

1) 9-5 is not .500(last I checked)

2) You can't count Brown's entire tenure with the Bears as some of those teams were very bad as a whole

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Mark it down...If the Bears don't keep Mike Brown we will be a 500 team next year.

 

That is a ludacris statement, while I love Mike Brown, this team will not be 500 without him. How many games has he played the last 2 years, and yet the Bears are 24-8 duing the regular season.

 

Last two years Bears 15-3 with Brown 9-5 without. For his career. The Bears are 45-40 with Brown and 13-14 without. When Brown went out last year our defense went from 1st to 13th. Then when Harris went out our defense went from 13th to 28th.

 

How crazy was my statement? As goes Mike Brown so goes the Bears.

 

 

1) 9-5 is not .500(last I checked)

2) You can't count Brown's entire tenure with the Bears as some of those teams were very bad as a whole

 

1) You are also assuming the overall team this year will be as good as last year. IMO this is a 11-5, 10-6 team with Brown right now, and a 9-7, 8-8 team without. (as of right now, without draft, later fa signings, etc.)

2. No you cant, but the record shows that the Bears are a better team with him then without.

[goonys evil twin]

1) You are also assuming the overall team this year will be as good as last year. IMO this is a 11-5, 10-6 team with Brown right now, and a 9-7, 8-8 team without. (as of right now, without draft, later fa signings, etc.)

 

You're nuts.

[Soriano12]

Mark it down...If the Bears don't keep Mike Brown we will be a 500 team next year.

 

That is a ludacris statement, while I love Mike Brown, this team will not be 500 without him. How many games has he played the last 2 years, and yet the Bears are 24-8 duing the regular season.

 

Last two years Bears 15-3 with Brown 9-5 without. For his career. The Bears are 45-40 with Brown and 13-14 without. When Brown went out last year our defense went from 1st to 13th. Then when Harris went out our defense went from 13th to 28th.

 

How crazy was my statement? As goes Mike Brown so goes the Bears.

 

 

1) 9-5 is not .500(last I checked)

2) You can't count Brown's entire tenure with the Bears as some of those teams were very bad as a whole

 

1) You are also assuming the overall team this year will be as good as last year. IMO this is a 11-5, 10-6 team with Brown right now, and a 9-7, 8-8 team without. (as of right now, without draft, later fa signings, etc.)

2. No you cant, but the record shows that the Bears are a better team with him then without.

 

Wow, and I thought I was a pessimist.

[Chocolate Milk]

Mark it down...If the Bears don't keep Mike Brown we will be a 500 team next year.

 

That is a ludacris statement, while I love Mike Brown, this team will not be 500 without him. How many games has he played the last 2 years, and yet the Bears are 24-8 duing the regular season.

 

Last two years Bears 15-3 with Brown 9-5 without. For his career. The Bears are 45-40 with Brown and 13-14 without. When Brown went out last year our defense went from 1st to 13th. Then when Harris went out our defense went from 13th to 28th.

 

How crazy was my statement? As goes Mike Brown so goes the Bears.

 

 

1) 9-5 is not .500(last I checked)

2) You can't count Brown's entire tenure with the Bears as some of those teams were very bad as a whole

 

1) You are also assuming the overall team this year will be as good as last year. IMO this is a 11-5, 10-6 team with Brown right now, and a 9-7, 8-8 team without. (as of right now, without draft, later fa signings, etc.)

2. No you cant, but the record shows that the Bears are a better team with him then without.

 

I think you are wildly overating the impact of a single saftey. How do the Bears go from 13-3 (Edit: Duh) to 8-8 without a saftey who played 6 games last year?

Edited March 21, 2007 by Chocolate Milk

[ToupeeOnFire]

I sure hope that Brown isn't going anywhere. Even with the addition of Archuleta, he shouldn't see any loss of playing time provided he can stay healthy. In an ideal scenario, Archuleta and Manning would be rotated in and out depending on the situation with Brown moving from free safety to strong safety as necessary. Hopefully, Lovie, Angelo and company are thinking along those lines. Otherwise, this deal doesn't look so hot.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

1) You are also assuming the overall team this year will be as good as last year. IMO this is a 11-5, 10-6 team with Brown right now, and a 9-7, 8-8 team without. (as of right now, without draft, later fa signings, etc.)

 

You're nuts.

 

:? How? Do you think they have IMPROVED this offseason? Are they a better team? They lost their starting running back, offensive line is older, and wr/te corp is still mediocre. The defensive line lost 2 possibly 3 d-tackles, and Harris will be recovering from a torn achillies tendon. Our pro bowl lb doesnt want to play for the team and will hold out. And if they get rid of Brown we will be starting a SS who was benched not once but twice for a 5-11 team that just signed him to largest contract for a safety in NFL history, who only played on special teams for the last half of the season. The other starter will be a 3rd year 6th round pick who can tackle but cannot cover, or a 2nd year, 2nd round pick who can cover but misses assignments so blatantly that he left a pro bowl wide reciever 20 yards open down field to double team the second tight end who ran a 5 yard in route, in the super bowl.

 

Not to mention the absolute brutal schedule the bears have next year. How am I crazy? IF anything im optimistic.

[Chocolate Milk]

IF anything im optimistic.

 

Yup, I have the Bears at 6-10 because of the loss of Alphonso Boone and Todd Johnson.

[goonys evil twin]

1) You are also assuming the overall team this year will be as good as last year. IMO this is a 11-5, 10-6 team with Brown right now, and a 9-7, 8-8 team without. (as of right now, without draft, later fa signings, etc.)

 

You're nuts.

 

:? How? Do you think they have IMPROVED this offseason? Are they a better team? They lost their starting running back, offensive line is older, and wr/te corp is still mediocre. The defensive line lost 2 possibly 3 d-tackles, and Harris will be recovering from a torn achillies tendon. Our pro bowl lb doesnt want to play for the team and will hold out. And if they get rid of Brown we will be starting a SS who was benched not once but twice for a 5-11 team that just signed him to largest contract for a safety in NFL history, who only played on special teams for the last half of the season. The other starter will be a 3rd year 6th round pick who can tackle but cannot cover, or a 2nd year, 2nd round pick who can cover but misses assignments so blatantly that he left a pro bowl wide reciever 20 yards open down field to double team the second tight end who ran a 5 yard in route, in the super bowl.

 

Not to mention the absolute brutal schedule the bears have next year. How am I crazy? IF anything im optimistic.

 

They were the most talented team in the NFC last year, and they still are. You noted that you're talking about the team right now, without draft picks, but it's worthless to describe the team's talent assets when completely discounting the draft picks, including the one they got when trading Jones. This is a double digit win team with or without Brown. I hope Brown stays because he's good, but he's not the difference between 5 wins.

 

You are talking nonsense. If Brown is out, and Harris is out, and Briggs sits out, and Benson fails to take the reins and Grossman doesn't improve and the draft picks provide no help, then you can talk about the team taking a step back. But so far all they've lost is backups, and they got good value for a mediocre RB who was on his way out regardless. Games don't start April 1. Angelo has plenty of time to add to the team.

[Chocolate Milk]

Interesting Tidbits from the Daily SouthTown:

 

The Bears had a need for depth at safety because backups Todd Johnson and Cameron Worrell left via free agency and Mike Brown's future with the team is uncertain. Brown had foot ligament surgery last season, his third straight injury-plagued season.

 

"Mike's still rehabbing," Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said. "We want to see how he continues in his rehab."

 

Smith made it known he'd like to have a healthy Brown back.

 

"Mike Brown is a big part of what we've done around here," Smith said. "The injuries have hurt him, but I think eventually you have to get over those injuries. I'm hoping that's the case with Mike because we need Mike. I see Mike on the field next year for us helping us win.

 

"To get to the point we did this past year without a couple of our key (injured) players -- Tommie Harris, Mike Brown -- just imagine as I start dreaming right now about what we can do with these players."

 

If Brown remains a Bear, there could be a change in the works for second-year safety Danieal Manning. Brown is the Bears' strong safety, but moved there from free safety. It's possible Brown could move back to what is considered his natural position.

 

As a rookie, Manning started 14 regular-season games and all of the playoff games at free safety. However, coaches noted his speed -- he might be among the three fastest players on the team -- makes him a potential cornerback candidate.

 

Angelo confirmed at the scouting combine last month that Manning playing cornerback or nickel back wouldn't be out of the question next season. The Bears may be in need of another backup cornerback because return man Devin Hester is being moved to the offense.

 

I think that Manning to a CB role makes sense down the road if we don't keep both Vasher and Tillman.

[Soriano12]

I'm hoping that's the case with Mike because we need Mike. I see Mike on the field next year for us helping us win.

 

 

AWESOME! :!:

[Brian]

One of the view low points (after the obvious big one) of last season was seeing Mike Brown choked up at media day about not being able to play. I hope we hold on to him, and we get him to the Super Bowl and win this time 8-)

[CaliforniaRaisin]

D. Manning at corner? Interesting. I just hope he gets locked in the film room this offseason.

[Banedon]

I'm not sure how anyone can make predictions about records for next season when the draft hasn't even taken place yet. That's kinda putting the cart before the horse.

 

You know someone in this thread said that Archuleta isn't a coverage safety, he's a guy that can come up and hit somebody hard...isn't that what I heard about Todd Johnson too? I don't know Archuleta that well, so it could be a bad comparison, but that was my first thought.

[Chocolate Milk]

I'm not sure how anyone can make predictions about records for next season when the draft hasn't even taken place yet. That's kinda putting the cart before the horse.

 

You know someone in this thread said that Archuleta isn't a coverage safety, he's a guy that can come up and hit somebody hard...isn't that what I heard about Todd Johnson too? I don't know Archuleta that well, so it could be a bad comparison, but that was my first thought.

 

He's probably a better version of Todd Johnson, at this point.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

I didnt start this talk of next year's record, I was just throwing my opinion in there but with that said:

 

Im going to break this down simply, so that everyone can understand where im coming from, because apparently I shot someone's puppy for suggesting a regression in the win loss record.

 

1. They went 13-3 last year

2. They have not improved on last years roster, and while their losses are fringe players that can be easily replaced by draft picks, they still have more questions then even last year.

2a. Questions marks new to this year: Lance Briggs, Tommy Harris's injury, depth at DT.

3. Maybe I didn't articulate properly, but Losing Mike Brown, while not the end of the world adds MORE problems for the team. The projected starting safety corp of Mike Brown and Chris Harris, with Danniel Manning and Todd Johnson as backups is better then Adam Archuleta and Chris Harris with possibly Danniel Manning(might go to CB), and draft pick(s).

4. "If Brown is out, and Harris is out, and Briggs sits out, and Benson fails to take the reins and Grossman doesn't improve and the draft picks provide no help" Almost no chance of this happening. I didn't suggest it would. I said its issues that weren't there last year for their 13-3 season. It doesn't help that anyone of those are possibilities IT HURTS THE TEAM.

5. The Schedule. The Bears played 4 playoff teams from the previous year in 06'(and ended up playing 4 playoff teams). Next year... 7.

 

So with more question marks and a harder schedule, it is conceivable that they lose more next year. Losing Brown only hurts them more.

 

In 2005.. Seattle went 13-3. Seattle added Julian Peterson, Nate Burleson, and Deon Branch. They went 9-7 the next year. And their problems (Alexander and Hasslebeck injuries) were not possibilities before the injury like Tommy Harris's injury and Lance Briggs holdout. They did lose Steve Hutchinson.

[Soul]

We had plenty of questions this time last year. In fact, I believe we actually had *MORE* questions in April of '06 than we do now.

 

1) Clark. Can he still play? Even if he can, can he stop sucking?

 

2) Grossman. Should Griese start? Won't Grossman lose us more games than he wins?

 

3) Can Tillman overcome the Smith fiasco? Shouldn't RMJ just start over him?

 

4) Speaking of RMJ: will he be out of jail long enough to play a game as a Bear?

 

5) Will Chris Harris and Daneal Manning be good enough @ FS?

 

6) Muhammed: can he bounce back from one of his worst seasons as a pro?

 

7) Can Rashied Davis even play, much less be a #3 WR?

 

8) Will Berrian or Bradley be the #2----and will either one be halfway decent?

 

 

 

That's more than this year, by my count.

 

 

But I do understand there are challenges for this team, and it will be tougher.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm not sure how anyone can make predictions about records for next season when the draft hasn't even taken place yet. That's kinda putting the cart before the horse.

 

You know someone in this thread said that Archuleta isn't a coverage safety, he's a guy that can come up and hit somebody hard...isn't that what I heard about Todd Johnson too? I don't know Archuleta that well, so it could be a bad comparison, but that was my first thought.

 

He's probably a better version of Todd Johnson, at this point.

 

I hope he's replacing Johnson and Worrell. Depth, not meant as a key player. And I wonder if he'll see some special teams play, like those two did.

[Jon]

chicagosports.com[/url]"]The Bears signed eight coaches—including offensive coordinator Ron Turner and recently-named defensive coordinator Bob Babich—to three-year contracts Wednesday.

 

Tight ends coach Rob Boras, wide receivers coach Darryl Drake, offensive line coach Harry Hiestand, running backs coach Tim Spencer, defensive backs coach Steven Wilks and strength and conditioning coordinator Rusty Jones are the other coaches signed to extensions.

[Butterscup1679666578]

chicagosports.com[/url]"]The Bears signed eight coaches—including offensive coordinator Ron Turner and recently-named defensive coordinator Bob Babich—to three-year contracts Wednesday.

 

Tight ends coach Rob Boras, wide receivers coach Darryl Drake, offensive line coach Harry Hiestand, running backs coach Tim Spencer, defensive backs coach Steven Wilks and strength and conditioning coordinator Rusty Jones are the other coaches signed to extensions.

 

Crap.

[Magnetic Curses]

chicagosports.com[/url]"]The Bears signed eight coaches—including offensive coordinator Ron Turner and recently-named defensive coordinator Bob Babich—to three-year contracts Wednesday.

 

Tight ends coach Rob Boras, wide receivers coach Darryl Drake, offensive line coach Harry Hiestand, running backs coach Tim Spencer, defensive backs coach Steven Wilks and strength and conditioning coordinator Rusty Jones are the other coaches signed to extensions.

 

Crap.

 

i don't see why that's so upsetting. turner runs nothing special, but with a defense like the bears have, there's no reason to get super cute on offense.

[RichHillIsABeast]

The return of Rusty Jones is good news. No more bear fat.