The Bears Offseason Thread

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Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

That's true-of course, that's also a big gamble to bet on his improvement IMO.

[CuseCubFan69]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

again, garcia is 37-years old. no thanks.

 

grossman just had the 2nd best year in bears history. relatively speaking, beras fans should be begging for more grossman.

[USSoccer]

Count me in the "not interested in Garcia" crowd. Mcnabb and Carr are really the only two options that have perked my interest from what I've heard.

 

Carr would be a really, really interesting player to get. He and Berrian would have no issues, certainly.

 

A competition between he and Grossman would be a very good thing.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

 

while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

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Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

again, garcia is 37-years old. no thanks.

 

grossman just had the 2nd best year in bears history. relatively speaking, beras fans should be begging for more grossman.

 

To be honest, that's like saying that the Cubs need more Dusty Baker because he gave them back to back winning seasons for the first time in 40 years-it still wasn't very good.

[Banedon]

Count me in the "not interested in Garcia" crowd. Mcnabb and Carr are really the only two options that have perked my interest from what I've heard.

 

Carr would be a really, really interesting player to get. He and Berrian would have no issues, certainly.

 

A competition between he and Grossman would be a very good thing.

 

He's the one I'm really hoping for (which means of course it won't happen). I wish Casserly was still around though... :D

[CuseCubFan69]

Count me in the "not interested in Garcia" crowd. Mcnabb and Carr are really the only two options that have perked my interest from what I've heard.

 

Carr would be a really, really interesting player to get. He and Berrian would have no issues, certainly.

 

A competition between he and Grossman would be a very good thing.

 

What are the things about Carr that makes them want to get rid of him? Doesn't he have a funky 3/4 type throw that bugs the experts?

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

That's true-of course, that's also a big gamble to bet on his improvement IMO.

 

why would it be a gamble?

 

why are some people acting like a QB should just be a plug and play right out of the box?

 

again, the drew brees example should speak to everyone. rex is a similar height with a much better arm.

[USSoccer]

Count me in the "not interested in Garcia" crowd. Mcnabb and Carr are really the only two options that have perked my interest from what I've heard.

 

Carr would be a really, really interesting player to get. He and Berrian would have no issues, certainly.

 

A competition between he and Grossman would be a very good thing.

 

What are the things about Carr that makes them want to get rid of him? Doesn't he have a funky 3/4 type throw that bugs the experts?

 

Texans fans are as stupid as they come. They blame Carr for the losing, when they should look at the total uselessness of the team around him, and the incompetence of their management.

[CuseCubFan69]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

 

while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

 

That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

again, garcia is 37-years old. no thanks.

 

grossman just had the 2nd best year in bears history. relatively speaking, beras fans should be begging for more grossman.

 

To be honest, that's like saying that the Cubs need more Dusty Baker because he gave them back to back winning seasons for the first time in 40 years-it still wasn't very good.

 

so you want to pretend like the most important position on the football field is comparable to what a baseball manager does? that's one of the owrst analogies i've heard.

 

and he was better than the QB on the best team in bears history.

[CuseCubFan69]

Count me in the "not interested in Garcia" crowd. Mcnabb and Carr are really the only two options that have perked my interest from what I've heard.

 

Carr would be a really, really interesting player to get. He and Berrian would have no issues, certainly.

 

A competition between he and Grossman would be a very good thing.

 

What are the things about Carr that makes them want to get rid of him? Doesn't he have a funky 3/4 type throw that bugs the experts?

 

Texans fans are as stupid as they come. They blame Carr for the losing, when they should look at the total uselessness of the team around him, and the incompetence of their management.

 

I haven't watched any Texan games that I can remember so I don't know Carr other than from his stats. One thing I thought was said is that he doesn't get rid of the ball in time to keep from getting sacked. I'm not sure of that one though.

[CuseCubFan69]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

again, garcia is 37-years old. no thanks.

 

grossman just had the 2nd best year in bears history. relatively speaking, beras fans should be begging for more grossman.

 

To be honest, that's like saying that the Cubs need more Dusty Baker because he gave them back to back winning seasons for the first time in 40 years-it still wasn't very good.

 

so you want to pretend like the most important position on the football field is comparable to what a baseball manager does? that's one of the owrst analogies i've heard.

 

and he was better than the QB on the best team in bears history.

 

And the Bears have a long rich history when it comes to QB's.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

 

while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

 

That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed.

 

so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year?

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Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

That's true-of course, that's also a big gamble to bet on his improvement IMO.

 

why would it be a gamble?

 

why are some people acting like a QB should just be a plug and play right out of the box?

 

again, the drew brees example should speak to everyone. rex is a similar height with a much better arm.

 

How long are you willing to wait? Sure, this is his first full season-but it is also his 4th season overall. Maybe Grossman will develop later than most QB's because of his injuries, but his injuries also have to be factored in as possible problems. Most QB's though have either developed or not by the end of their 4th year-the other 3 QB's futures have basically been decided in their current cities that were drafted at the same time as Rex (Palmer-yes, Leftwich and Boller-no).

 

The other thing that worries me about Rex developing is his completion percentage-it's in the range of QB's who only survive because of their legs. He would have to improve that by 6 percent or so to be a good NFL QB, and that's going to be hard for him to do.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

again, garcia is 37-years old. no thanks.

 

grossman just had the 2nd best year in bears history. relatively speaking, beras fans should be begging for more grossman.

 

To be honest, that's like saying that the Cubs need more Dusty Baker because he gave them back to back winning seasons for the first time in 40 years-it still wasn't very good.

 

so you want to pretend like the most important position on the football field is comparable to what a baseball manager does? that's one of the owrst analogies i've heard.

 

and he was better than the QB on the best team in bears history.

 

And the Bears have a long rich history when it comes to QB's.

 

oh, i forgot all about that!

 

yes, we all know about the bears lack of QB history.

 

but seriously, that's part of the point, bears fans wouldn't know a QB if he kicked them in the crotch.

 

if we want rex to succeed, the bears will have to make a long-term commitment to him.

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Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

 

while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

 

That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed.

 

so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year?

 

For being not a rookie when he started, Grossman was really bad in his first full year. Most QB's who come in their second or third year do better than Grossman's performance this year-he's already behind the curve a little bit.

[CuseCubFan69]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

 

while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

 

That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed.

 

so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year?

 

I have never thought he was a very good QB so I would have sold awhile ago myself. What the Bears think is obviously different and if they believe that he is going to be a good QB then I agree, they should keep him. I don't like his makeup and his mechanics, expecially when he is in trouble. Again, those have been my feelings and I hope for your and the rest of the Bear fans on here that the Bears do the right thing whatever that is.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

That's true-of course, that's also a big gamble to bet on his improvement IMO.

 

why would it be a gamble?

 

why are some people acting like a QB should just be a plug and play right out of the box?

 

again, the drew brees example should speak to everyone. rex is a similar height with a much better arm.

 

How long are you willing to wait? Sure, this is his first full season-but it is also his 4th season overall. Maybe Grossman will develop later than most QB's because of his injuries, but his injuries also have to be factored in as possible problems.

 

so, a freak acl tear and a player laying on rex's leg while twisting his body the opposite way makes rex injury prone? i'm not sure if you saw the injuries or what, but it's not like he's sitting out with the hiccups here. these are 2 major injuries, and forget the fact that he got absolutely smacked around in a few games this season.

 

 

Most QB's though have either developed or not by the end of their 4th year-the other 3 QB's futures have basically been decided in their current cities that were drafted at the same time as Rex (Palmer-yes, Leftwich and Boller-no).

 

now you're just being dishonest with yourself. you measure success against the amount of starts a QB makes. add in there the fact that rex has had 3 different offensive coordinators in that time, and you can start to understand,.

 

The other thing that worries me about Rex developing is his completion percentage-it's in the range of QB's who only survive because of their legs. He would have to improve that by 6 percent or so to be a good NFL QB, and that's going to be hard for him to do.

 

"improve" is just a nother word for "develop", so, just substitute it out.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

 

while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

 

That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed.

 

so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year?

 

For being not a rookie when he started, Grossman was really bad in his first full year. Most QB's who come in their second or third year do better than Grossman's performance this year-he's already behind the curve a little bit.

 

name some of them for me. and for the sake of your argument, leave out the great ones.

[CubColtPacer]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

 

while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

 

That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed.

 

so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year?

 

For being not a rookie when he started, Grossman was really bad in his first full year. Most QB's who come in their second or third year do better than Grossman's performance this year-he's already behind the curve a little bit.

 

name some of them for me. and for the sake of your argument, leave out the great ones.

 

I'm just going to put all the QB's stats that started after their first year that was also a starter this year: (there aren't all that many of them I do believe):

 

Tony Romo: 65.3%, 2903 yards, 8.6 Y/A, 19TD/13INT, Rush: 102

Garcia: 60.0, 2544 yards, 6.8 Y/A, 11TD/11INT, Rush: 221, 2 TD

Pennington: 68.9%, 3120 yards, 7.8 Y/A, 22TD/6INT, Rush: 49, 1 TD

McNair: 52%, 2665 yards, 6.4 Y/A, 14TD/13INT, Rush: 674, 8 TD

Bulger: 63.2%, 3845 yards, 7.2 Y/A, 22TD/22INT, Rush: 75, 4 TD

Losman: 62.5%, 3051 yards, 7.1 Y/A, 19TD/14INT, Rush: 140, 1 TD

Rivers: 61.7%, 3388 yards, 7.4 Y/A, 22TD/9INT, Rush: 49

 

Ok, I'm going to stop there-there were more than I thought for sure! There are still a few more, including Brady, Delhomme, and others, but this should give us a good list.

 

Here's Grossman: 54.6%, 3193 yards, 6.7 Y/A, 23TD/20INT, Rush: 2

 

His passing stats line up fine with McNair, but McNair as seen by the rushing yards was primarily a rushing QB. Grossman is definitely behind in his first year, especially in completion percentage.

[Soul]

He's tossing TDs at Bulger's rate, and he isn't in a passing offense as Bulger is/was.

 

Grossman's doing fine.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

 

while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

 

That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed.

 

so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year?

 

For being not a rookie when he started, Grossman was really bad in his first full year. Most QB's who come in their second or third year do better than Grossman's performance this year-he's already behind the curve a little bit.

 

name some of them for me. and for the sake of your argument, leave out the great ones.

 

I'm just going to put all the QB's stats that started after their first year that was also a starter this year: (there aren't all that many of them I do believe):

 

Tony Romo: 65.3%, 2903 yards, 8.6 Y/A, 19TD/13INT, Rush: 102

Garcia: 60.0, 2544 yards, 6.8 Y/A, 11TD/11INT, Rush: 221, 2 TD

Pennington: 68.9%, 3120 yards, 7.8 Y/A, 22TD/6INT, Rush: 49, 1 TD

McNair: 52%, 2665 yards, 6.4 Y/A, 14TD/13INT, Rush: 674, 8 TD

Bulger: 63.2%, 3845 yards, 7.2 Y/A, 22TD/22INT, Rush: 75, 4 TD

Losman: 62.5%, 3051 yards, 7.1 Y/A, 19TD/14INT, Rush: 140, 1 TD

Rivers: 61.7%, 3388 yards, 7.4 Y/A, 22TD/9INT, Rush: 49

 

Ok, I'm going to stop there-there were more than I thought for sure! There are still a few more, including Brady, Delhomme, and others, but this should give us a good list.

 

Here's Grossman: 54.6%, 3193 yards, 6.7 Y/A, 23TD/20INT, Rush: 2

 

His passing stats line up fine with McNair, but McNair as seen by the rushing yards was primarily a rushing QB. Grossman is definitely behind in his first year, especially in completion percentage.

 

looks like he threw more TDs than any of those guys, actually.

 

so the only real stat you're looking for is completion percentage? if grossman had the recivers that those guys did he might be around that percentage. wow, he threw less interceptions and more touchdowns than bulger? with those receivers? that's impressive. i just don't see how he doesn't stack up to those guys.--especially since rex spread the ball around to many different players and didn't rely on one or 2 great ones.

 

btw- brady's lucky he got a chance with the patriots and delhomme was thought so highly of after being given the starting job in new orleans that he was cut and ended up in NFL europe (in short, he developed), so probably not a good comparison.

 

your research doesn't really support your hypothesis, except the fact that rex needs to improve his completion percentage, and he will.

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Jeff Garcia sucks. Winning the NFC East is no great accomplishment. That division was criminally overrated.

 

Bears fans should be careful what they pine for if they clamor for Garcia. He's going to make them beg for Rex.

 

Considering that Garcia has had 1 season out of 8 where he played worse than Rex this year (and that year he only played 6 games behind one of the worst offensive lines I've seen with a huge deficit most of the time-otherwise known as the Lions :D )-I'm not sure how you can make such a definitive claim.

 

Grossman is far more likely to improve than Garcia.

 

Garcia is a bond while Grossman is a stock. IMO the Bears need a bond type QB with that defense.

 

while completely depreciating the stock when it could become the centerpiece of their portfolio?

 

That's the key Sully, know when to sell and know when to keep it. I would invest on a different stock myself if a stock is what is wanted/needed.

 

so, instead of keeping in my mind what other good stocks have been in the beginning the bears should just panic and sell after the stock has performed reasonably well in it's first full year?

 

For being not a rookie when he started, Grossman was really bad in his first full year. Most QB's who come in their second or third year do better than Grossman's performance this year-he's already behind the curve a little bit.

 

name some of them for me. and for the sake of your argument, leave out the great ones.

 

I'm just going to put all the QB's stats that started after their first year that was also a starter this year: (there aren't all that many of them I do believe):

 

Tony Romo: 65.3%, 2903 yards, 8.6 Y/A, 19TD/13INT, Rush: 102

Garcia: 60.0, 2544 yards, 6.8 Y/A, 11TD/11INT, Rush: 221, 2 TD

Pennington: 68.9%, 3120 yards, 7.8 Y/A, 22TD/6INT, Rush: 49, 1 TD

McNair: 52%, 2665 yards, 6.4 Y/A, 14TD/13INT, Rush: 674, 8 TD

Bulger: 63.2%, 3845 yards, 7.2 Y/A, 22TD/22INT, Rush: 75, 4 TD

Losman: 62.5%, 3051 yards, 7.1 Y/A, 19TD/14INT, Rush: 140, 1 TD

Rivers: 61.7%, 3388 yards, 7.4 Y/A, 22TD/9INT, Rush: 49

 

Ok, I'm going to stop there-there were more than I thought for sure! There are still a few more, including Brady, Delhomme, and others, but this should give us a good list.

 

Here's Grossman: 54.6%, 3193 yards, 6.7 Y/A, 23TD/20INT, Rush: 2

 

His passing stats line up fine with McNair, but McNair as seen by the rushing yards was primarily a rushing QB. Grossman is definitely behind in his first year, especially in completion percentage.

 

looks like he threw more TDs than any of those guys, actually.

 

so the only real stat you're looking for is completion percentage? if grossman had the recivers that those guys did he might be around that percentage. wow, he threw less interceptions and more touchdowns than bulger? with those receivers? that's impressive. i just don't see how he doesn't stack up to those guys.--especially since rex spread the ball around to many different players and didn't rely on one or 2 great ones.

 

btw- brady's lucky he got a chance with the patriots and delhomme was thought so highly of after being given the starting job in new orleans that he was cut and ended up in NFL europe (in short, he developed), so probably not a good comparison.

 

your research doesn't really support your hypothesis, except the fact that rex needs to improve his completion percentage, and he will.

 

Completion percentage is a huge stat because completions move the chains, something the Bears had trouble doing this year even with a good running game (22nd in the NFL).

 

Y/A is another key stat-in fact, Football Outsiders (who breaks the stats down better than anyone) has it as the most important stat for QB's, and Rex is definitely behind most of those QB's.

 

Also, you have to remember that Grossman got put into the best situation of any of those QB's-the Chicago defense gave him a short field to throw TD's on a routine basis. With that said, his numbers should be better then those QB's-and they are worse to any QB on that list. Pick out a QB, and tell me how Grossman had a better season than them-the only one you could even come close is Garcia.