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I don't know how many of you caught the interview of Kerry Wood this past Sunday on "Instant Replay" with Dan Roan /WGN at 9:40pm CST. It was good. Kerry looks great! He's really been working out this winter, getting all buffed up. He basically told Roan that the reason he signed for less is that he felt he owed the fans and the orgaization something, for all those sub-par years that he had.

The second part of the Kerry Wood interview will be aired tonight on WGN, during their Sports segment, this should all occur around 9:40-9:45pm CST. Tonight Dan Roan is going to ask him to comment on the hiring of Lou Piniella, and all the new players that have been added to the ball club since last year. Wood really looks good ...

 

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I don't know how many of you caught the interview of Kerry Wood this past Sunday on "Instant Replay" with Dan Roan /WGN at 9:40pm CST. It was good. Kerry looks great! He's really been working out this winter, getting all buffed up. He basically told Roan that the reason he signed for less is that he felt he owed the fans and the orgaization something, for all those sub-par years that he had.

The second part of the Kerry Wood interview will be aired tonight on WGN, during their Sports segment, this should all occur around 9:40-9:45pm CST. Tonight Dan Roan is going to ask him to comment on the hiring of Lou Piniella, and all the new players that have been added to the ball club since last year. Wood really looks good ...

 

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I'll always be a Kerry Wood fan. You just can't help but pull for the guy.

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I don't know how many of you caught the interview of Kerry Wood this past Sunday on "Instant Replay" with Dan Roan /WGN at 9:40pm CST. It was good. Kerry looks great! He's really been working out this winter, getting all buffed up. He basically told Roan that the reason he signed for less is that he felt he owed the fans and the orgaization something, for all those sub-par years that he had.

The second part of the Kerry Wood interview will be aired tonight on WGN, during their Sports segment, this should all occur around 9:40-9:45pm CST. Tonight Dan Roan is going to ask him to comment on the hiring of Lou Piniella, and all the new players that have been added to the ball club since last year. Wood really looks good ...

 

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I'll always be a Kerry Wood fan. You just can't help but pull for the guy.

 

Agreed. The bolded part is especially cool. Between that and the steep hometown discount Aramis took to resign, it's cool to see players like that on the team showing that they love playing in Chicago and for these fans. I can only hope Big Z is thinking the same thing...

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I have this hope that Dusty messed up both Prior and Wood, and maybe Larry Rothschild is a decent PC after all, and Piniella actually lets him do his job. I'd like to see Wood back in the rotation by the second half, in 2003 form or better. That would make me smile, but cringe too (pitching $$ for next season).
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I have this hope that Dusty messed up both Prior and Wood, and maybe Larry Rothschild is a decent PC after all, and Piniella actually lets him do his job. I'd like to see Wood back in the rotation by the second half, in 2003 form or better. That would make me smile, but cringe too (pitching $$ for next season).

 

Ditto. It would be great to see Wood and Prior pitch like they're capable of pitching. I'm looking forward to this season greatly.

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Kerry Wood owes Chicago because he stubbornly refused to change his pitching mechanics because he wanted to throw hard and have a nasty hook. With that said, I really do hope he has a great year.
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Kerry Wood owes Chicago because he stubbornly refused to change his pitching mechanics because he wanted to throw hard and have a nasty hook. With that said, I really do hope he has a great year.

 

So does every team that's ever screwed up a player's swing or pitching mechanics or overworked a pitcher to the point of injury "owe" that player? Wood may be stubborn, but when you strike out 20 guys in a game and everyone hails you as "the next (insert big strikeout pitcher)" - it'd be pretty hard to say "thanks, but I really think I need to change the way I pitch, it's not working."

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Kerry Wood owes Chicago because he stubbornly refused to change his pitching mechanics because he wanted to throw hard and have a nasty hook. With that said, I really do hope he has a great year.

 

I'm not so sure he refused anything. In fact last year it looked like he tried to change his mechanics. Wood was abused from High-School on. Good mechanics or not he was bound to get hurt.

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I don't know how many of you caught the interview of Kerry Wood this past Sunday on "Instant Replay" with Dan Roan /WGN at 9:40pm CST. It was good. Kerry looks great! He's really been working out this winter, getting all buffed up. He basically told Roan that the reason he signed for less is that he felt he owed the fans and the orgaization something, for all those sub-par years that he had.

The second part of the Kerry Wood interview will be aired tonight on WGN, during their Sports segment, this should all occur around 9:40-9:45pm CST. Tonight Dan Roan is going to ask him to comment on the hiring of Lou Piniella, and all the new players that have been added to the ball club since last year. Wood really looks good ...

 

[rest of thread moved to rants]

 

I'll always be a Kerry Wood fan. You just can't help but pull for the guy.

 

Agreed. The bolded part is especially cool. Between that and the steep hometown discount Aramis took to resign, it's cool to see players like that on the team showing that they love playing in Chicago and for these fans. I can only hope Big Z is thinking the same thing...

 

I think Z does. Dumping Boras is a good start. If Cubs offered him 5/75-80mill he'd take it. Heck, he'll only be 31 for his next contract.

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Kerry Wood owes Chicago because he stubbornly refused to change his pitching mechanics because he wanted to throw hard and have a nasty hook. With that said, I really do hope he has a great year.

 

I'm not so sure he refused anything. In fact last year it looked like he tried to change his mechanics. Wood was abused from High-School on. Good mechanics or not he was bound to get hurt.

 

i dont think that is necessarily true. look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon. having the correct mechanics & training your arm to throw more often seems to be the key to not getting injured as opposed to limiting innings pitched.

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I have this hope that Dusty messed up both Prior and Wood, and maybe Larry Rothschild is a decent PC after all, and Piniella actually lets him do his job. I'd like to see Wood back in the rotation by the second half, in 2003 form or better. That would make me smile, but cringe too (pitching $$ for next season).

 

I assume you mean what it would cost to resign Prior and Wood for 2008 if they were to somehow revert to 2003 form.

 

In fantasy land, imagining Prior throwing 200 innings of 175 ERA+ type performance, I'd have to think he'd be good for a 4/72 or 5/80 next offseason. His injury history would hold him back, but guys like AJ Burnett got 5 years last season, while Gil Meche got 5 this year. If Wood stretched out this season in the bullpen, pitched effectively, and slid into the rotation throwing his 2003 form in the 2nd half, then I think he'd be able to get a 3/50. There would still be doubts about his 200 innings ability (and that seems to be the primary thing driving prices this year).

 

But if those guys hit the top of their range this season, and the Cubs tried to keep them, I think it would cost the Cubs something like $51-55 million to keep Zambrano, Prior and Wood for 2008.

 

But of course, that's not going to happen.

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Kerry Wood owes Chicago because he stubbornly refused to change his pitching mechanics because he wanted to throw hard and have a nasty hook. With that said, I really do hope he has a great year.

 

I'm not so sure he refused anything. In fact last year it looked like he tried to change his mechanics. Wood was abused from High-School on. Good mechanics or not he was bound to get hurt.

 

i dont think that is necessarily true. look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon. having the correct mechanics & training your arm to throw more often seems to be the key to not getting injured as opposed to limiting innings pitched.

 

It's one thing to throw a ton of innings over the course of a full season as an adult. But when you are throwing back to back games and something like 200 pitches in a day as a developing kid, that's entirely different. And remember, all the "glory days" people like to talk about everybody who went 300/25 back in the day, but those were only the guys that didn't get hurt. There were boatloads of pitchers we never heard of because they were hurt long before they had a chance to pitch in the majors. And since hitting wasn't as productive back then, it was easier to mask guys whose arms weren't 100%. Today, if you're off, the hitters will let you know. Back then, they weren't as dangerous.

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I have this hope that Dusty messed up both Prior and Wood, and maybe Larry Rothschild is a decent PC after all, and Piniella actually lets him do his job. I'd like to see Wood back in the rotation by the second half, in 2003 form or better. That would make me smile, but cringe too (pitching $$ for next season).

 

I assume you mean what it would cost to resign Prior and Wood for 2008 if they were to somehow revert to 2003 form.

 

. . .

 

But if those guys hit the top of their range this season, and the Cubs tried to keep them, I think it would cost the Cubs something like $51-55 million to keep Zambrano, Prior and Wood for 2008.

 

But of course, that's not going to happen.

 

Yep, that's what I meant. Hey, being a Cub fan, I figure, you alternate between outlandish dreams and dogging cynicism. It's a sure-fire way to acquire depression.

 

As for your post-fantasy land speculation, the club could see some serious $$ from a good club - lousy clubs have done well financially. Plus there are the new seats in LF, that should account for more $$. Who knows.

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Kerry Wood owes Chicago because he stubbornly refused to change his pitching mechanics because he wanted to throw hard and have a nasty hook. With that said, I really do hope he has a great year.

 

yeah, i remember that one time when rothschild begged with him to change his mechanics and wood told him to shut his stupid mouth and then he punched him.

 

i think it was like the day after hendry turned down a trade offer of dunn, ken griffey jr., the 1970 version of johnny bench and $150 mil for rich hill.

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look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon.

 

Do you have stats for number of pitches thrown per season during that era? Pitches per plate appearance have increased pretty dramatically since then.

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yeah, i remember that one time when rothschild begged with him to change his mechanics and wood told him to shut his stupid mouth and then he punched him.

 

I heard Wood punched him with his throwing hand. He threw an awkward across-the-body punch, and his arm has never been the same since. :(

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look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon.

 

Do you have stats for number of pitches thrown per season during that era? Pitches per plate appearance have increased pretty dramatically since then.

 

it sure doesnt sound like that is the case according to this quote from Ferguson Jenkins:

 

"I hear in the clubhouse all the time about a pitcher having a twinge, and they go on the disabled list. I would have never won any ballgames if I would have missed a start with a twinge.

 

"Pitchers are definitely protected," added Jenkins. "I used to warm up and throw 100 pitches in the bullpen and then throw 150 pitches in the game. I would throw nine innings, which they usually won't let these young men do right now."

 

 

link:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1549169&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp

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look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon.

 

Do you have stats for number of pitches thrown per season during that era? Pitches per plate appearance have increased pretty dramatically since then.

 

it sure doesnt sound like that is the case according to this quote from Ferguson Jenkins:

 

"I hear in the clubhouse all the time about a pitcher having a twinge, and they go on the disabled list. I would have never won any ballgames if I would have missed a start with a twinge.

 

"Pitchers are definitely protected," added Jenkins. "I used to warm up and throw 100 pitches in the bullpen and then throw 150 pitches in the game. I would throw nine innings, which they usually won't let these young men do right now."

 

 

link:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1549169&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp

 

What was the average velocity that pitchers threw back in the day?

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look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon.

 

Do you have stats for number of pitches thrown per season during that era? Pitches per plate appearance have increased pretty dramatically since then.

 

it sure doesnt sound like that is the case according to this quote from Ferguson Jenkins:

 

"I hear in the clubhouse all the time about a pitcher having a twinge, and they go on the disabled list. I would have never won any ballgames if I would have missed a start with a twinge.

 

"Pitchers are definitely protected," added Jenkins. "I used to warm up and throw 100 pitches in the bullpen and then throw 150 pitches in the game. I would throw nine innings, which they usually won't let these young men do right now."

 

 

link:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1549169&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp

 

He also walked barefoot in the snow, 5 miles, and uphill both ways to school every morning. When he got home, he shoveled coal into the family furnace for 3 hours just so the ice was thin enough the break though for his evening bath. After he was washed up, he cut the family firewood for the next day with the edge of his hand because his family couldn't afford an axe. He didn't complain one bit! Whippersnappers these days and their pitch counts.

 

Back when old people were young, everything and everybody was better in every way.

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look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon.

 

Do you have stats for number of pitches thrown per season during that era? Pitches per plate appearance have increased pretty dramatically since then.

 

it sure doesnt sound like that is the case according to this quote from Ferguson Jenkins:

 

"I hear in the clubhouse all the time about a pitcher having a twinge, and they go on the disabled list. I would have never won any ballgames if I would have missed a start with a twinge.

 

"Pitchers are definitely protected," added Jenkins. "I used to warm up and throw 100 pitches in the bullpen and then throw 150 pitches in the game. I would throw nine innings, which they usually won't let these young men do right now."

 

 

link:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1549169&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp

 

He also walked barefoot in the snow, 5 miles, and uphill both ways to school every morning. When he got home, he shoveled coal into the family furnace for 3 hours just so the ice was thin enough the break though for his evening bath. After he was washed up, he cut the family firewood for the next day with the edge of his hand because his family couldn't afford an axe. He didn't complain one bit! Whippersnappers these days and their pitch counts.

 

Back when old people were young, everything and everybody was better in every way.

 

i'm sure you are trying to be funny but have you ever looked at the career stats jenkins had? perhaps you should do so and compare them to modern day pitchers and maybe you'll see he has a point.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jenkife01.shtml

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look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon.

 

Do you have stats for number of pitches thrown per season during that era? Pitches per plate appearance have increased pretty dramatically since then.

 

it sure doesnt sound like that is the case according to this quote from Ferguson Jenkins:

 

"I hear in the clubhouse all the time about a pitcher having a twinge, and they go on the disabled list. I would have never won any ballgames if I would have missed a start with a twinge.

 

"Pitchers are definitely protected," added Jenkins. "I used to warm up and throw 100 pitches in the bullpen and then throw 150 pitches in the game. I would throw nine innings, which they usually won't let these young men do right now."

 

 

link:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1549169&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp

 

What was the average velocity that pitchers threw back in the day?

 

what does that matter? if throwing harder is worse on a pitchers arm perhaps they should throw softer and learn how to pitch instead of throwing to a number on a radar gun. maddux and hoffman are good modern day examples of this imo.

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look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon.

 

Do you have stats for number of pitches thrown per season during that era? Pitches per plate appearance have increased pretty dramatically since then.

 

it sure doesnt sound like that is the case according to this quote from Ferguson Jenkins:

 

"I hear in the clubhouse all the time about a pitcher having a twinge, and they go on the disabled list. I would have never won any ballgames if I would have missed a start with a twinge.

 

"Pitchers are definitely protected," added Jenkins. "I used to warm up and throw 100 pitches in the bullpen and then throw 150 pitches in the game. I would throw nine innings, which they usually won't let these young men do right now."

 

 

link:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1549169&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp

 

What was the average velocity that pitchers threw back in the day?

 

what does that matter? if throwing harder is worse on a pitchers arm perhaps they should throw softer and learn how to pitch instead of throwing to a number on a radar gun. maddux and hoffman are good modern day examples of this imo.

 

Velocity was my thought as well, but I've read things in the past that indicated while there weren't a million flamethrowers, some of the top pitchers, like a Koufax, could keep the ball in the mid to upper 90s the whole game. Don't remember an exact source.

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I don't know how many of you caught the interview of Kerry Wood this past Sunday on "Instant Replay" with Dan Roan /WGN at 9:40pm CST. It was good. Kerry looks great! He's really been working out this winter, getting all buffed up. He basically told Roan that the reason he signed for less is that he felt he owed the fans and the orgaization something, for all those sub-par years that he had.

The second part of the Kerry Wood interview will be aired tonight on WGN, during their Sports segment, this should all occur around 9:40-9:45pm CST. Tonight Dan Roan is going to ask him to comment on the hiring of Lou Piniella, and all the new players that have been added to the ball club since last year. Wood really looks good ...

 

[rest of thread moved to rants]

 

I'll always be a Kerry Wood fan. You just can't help but pull for the guy.

 

Agreed. The bolded part is especially cool. Between that and the steep hometown discount Aramis took to resign, it's cool to see players like that on the team showing that they love playing in Chicago and for these fans. I can only hope Big Z is thinking the same thing...

 

I hate to bring it up, but I still remember Game 7 and Wood's reaction afterwards basically saying he let down the entire city of Chicago... I think those comments kept me on the Wood bandwagon for life.

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look at the inning & complete game totals from the 60's & 70's. 300 innings with 25+ complete games was not uncommon.

 

Do you have stats for number of pitches thrown per season during that era? Pitches per plate appearance have increased pretty dramatically since then.

 

it sure doesnt sound like that is the case according to this quote from Ferguson Jenkins:

 

"I hear in the clubhouse all the time about a pitcher having a twinge, and they go on the disabled list. I would have never won any ballgames if I would have missed a start with a twinge.

 

"Pitchers are definitely protected," added Jenkins. "I used to warm up and throw 100 pitches in the bullpen and then throw 150 pitches in the game. I would throw nine innings, which they usually won't let these young men do right now."

 

 

link:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060709&content_id=1549169&vkey=allstar2006&fext=.jsp

 

He also walked barefoot in the snow, 5 miles, and uphill both ways to school every morning. When he got home, he shoveled coal into the family furnace for 3 hours just so the ice was thin enough the break though for his evening bath. After he was washed up, he cut the family firewood for the next day with the edge of his hand because his family couldn't afford an axe. He didn't complain one bit! Whippersnappers these days and their pitch counts.

 

Back when old people were young, everything and everybody was better in every way.

 

i'm sure you are trying to be funny but have you ever looked at the career stats jenkins had? perhaps you should do so and compare them to modern day pitchers and maybe you'll see he has a point.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jenkife01.shtml

 

His stats are irrelevant.

 

What is his point? Everyone now a days is a wussy? If everyone was an ironman like back in the day people wouldn't get injured? Injuries are due to people not toughing it out? Managers are babying these guys?

 

Circumstances have changed. Pichers are a valuable commodity and are treated as such. We know more about arm injuries and how to prevent them now. Pitchers are throwing lots of breaking pitches and are throwing harder. There is a litanty of possibly reasons for pitchers not pitching as many innings. Jenkins quote isn't one of them, imo.

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