Top 3 Managerial Candidates

[Bruno7481]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

The owner can pretty much do whatever he or she pleases. It is not up to the coach to do anything. Nor should he.

 

The owner signs the checks and gets to yell at whomever he pleases.

 

Yes, but the owner hires a manager to handle on field duties. It still isn't his place to do that, whether he signs the checks or not.

[goonys evil twin]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. You may find that admirable, but in most lines of work it's insubordination. As I've said elsewhere, it's ironic that someone who wants his players to toe the line and be subjected felt he didn't have to answer to anyone. It's those issues I have concerns about. I'm not so sure Girardi's issue is that he's a diciplinarian or an egotistical control freak. It's likely somewhere in between, but I'm not sure I'd want to chance having a Showalter-type manager.

 

Given the choice between Girardi and Brenly, I'd take Brenly.

[FergieJ31]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

The owner can pretty much do whatever he or she pleases. It is not up to the coach to do anything. Nor should he.

 

The owner signs the checks and gets to yell at whomever he pleases.

 

No.

 

In his office, or maybe in the clubhouse or locker-room -- yes, absolutely -- the owner may yell at whomever he pleases. Not on the baseball field and not when it interferes with the game or the manager's job. I have nothing but admiration for Joe for telling Loria to shut the f up.

Edited October 3, 2006 by FergieJ31

[C.C.]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

Isn't Francona basically a Dusty Baker? He's a vet manager that vets love to play for...Blah, blah, blah...

[goonys evil twin]

In his office, or maybe in the clubhouse or locker-room -- yes, absolutely -- the owner may yell at whomever he pleases. Not on the baseball field and not when it interferes with the game or the manager's job. I have nothing but admiration for Joe for telling Loria to shut the f up.

 

What is your opinion on the Mark Cuban issue?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd like Francona as well. Francona seems to be independent of conventional wisdom. From what I've read, he thinks critically about line-up construction, and he values OBP over "speedy baseball types."

 

If Dierker isn't going to be considered, which I'm aware he isn't, Francona is the name I like best of those that have at least had their names thrown into the arena.

 

That being said, I really doubt the Red Sox let him go....though I would love to have Francona and send them Izturis as compensation.

[Bruno7481]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. .

 

What didn't he listen to? Maybe I just haven't seen confirmation of this, I believe you.

 

Is their hard evidence of this? Or just speculation with the firing?

[goonys evil twin]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

Isn't Francona basically a Dusty Baker? He's a vet manager that vets love to play for...Blah, blah, blah...

 

One difference is that Francona influenced the Schilling deal, whereas Dusty didn't play a part in any significant players coming to Chicago.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

Isn't Francona basically a Dusty Baker? He's a vet manager that vets love to play for...Blah, blah, blah...

 

I think Tito would be quite a change from Baker.

[C.C.]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. You may find that admirable, but in most lines of work it's insubordination. As I've said elsewhere, it's ironic that someone who wants his players to toe the line and be subjected felt he didn't have to answer to anyone. It's those issues I have concerns about. I'm not so sure Girardi's issue is that he's a diciplinarian or an egotistical control freak. It's likely somewhere in between, but I'm not sure I'd want to chance having a Showalter-type manager.

 

Given the choice between Girardi and Brenly, I'd take Brenly.

 

I think the difference is (everything I've read) the players seem to really like playing for Girardi.

[goonys evil twin]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

Isn't Francona basically a Dusty Baker? He's a vet manager that vets love to play for...Blah, blah, blah...

 

I think Tito would be quite a change from Baker.

 

I am somewhat concerned that he goes by Tito.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. .

 

What didn't he listen to? Maybe I just haven't seen confirmation of this, I believe you.

 

Is their hard evidence of this? Or just speculation with the firing?

 

I don't have specifics, but after the Loria incident, there were reports that he had feuded with the GM as well. I don't think the Marlins ever released a laundry list as part of the press releases, but I think there's sufficient reasons to believe that Girardi was going to do things his way regardless of what his superiors thought.

[FergieJ31]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Mainly the fact that Francona seems to thoroughly get the importance of OBP.

[C.C.]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. .

 

What didn't he listen to? Maybe I just haven't seen confirmation of this, I believe you.

 

Is their hard evidence of this? Or just speculation with the firing?

 

I don't have specifics, but after the Loria incident, there were reports that he had feuded with the GM as well. I don't think the Marlins ever released a laundry list as part of the press releases, but I think there's sufficient reasons to believe that Girardi was going to do things his way regardless of what his superiors thought.

 

In the Cubs case this might be a good thing. No?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. You may find that admirable, but in most lines of work it's insubordination. As I've said elsewhere, it's ironic that someone who wants his players to toe the line and be subjected felt he didn't have to answer to anyone. It's those issues I have concerns about. I'm not so sure Girardi's issue is that he's a diciplinarian or an egotistical control freak. It's likely somewhere in between, but I'm not sure I'd want to chance having a Showalter-type manager.

 

Given the choice between Girardi and Brenly, I'd take Brenly.

 

I think the difference is (everything I've read) the players seem to really like playing for Girardi.

 

And the Ranger players liked Buck in his first year. But from what I'm hearing in Arlington, Showalter has grated on them. I don't think veteran players will like Girardi's "My Way, or the Highway" mannerisms. That plays well with rookies or thank-ful to have a job Joe Borowski-types, but not so much with some of the FA's we'll be trying to lure to Wrigley Field.

[FergieJ31]

In his office, or maybe in the clubhouse or locker-room -- yes, absolutely -- the owner may yell at whomever he pleases. Not on the baseball field and not when it interferes with the game or the manager's job. I have nothing but admiration for Joe for telling Loria to shut the f up.

 

What is your opinion on the Mark Cuban issue?

 

I'd make exactly the same comment about Cuban - if in fact he does interfere with a game by blasting the refs. The Mavs coach should be able to tell him to cool it.

 

I'm not a big basketball fan but from what I can tell his court-side tirades are tolerated pretty well by the league.

[C.C.]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Mainly the fact that Francona seems to thoroughly get the importance of OBP.

 

Well regardless, as far as I know he's still the manager of the Red Sox, so why are we talking about him being the manager of the Cubs?

[Bruno7481]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. .

 

What didn't he listen to? Maybe I just haven't seen confirmation of this, I believe you.

 

Is their hard evidence of this? Or just speculation with the firing?

 

I don't have specifics, but after the Loria incident, there were reports that he had feuded with the GM as well. I don't think the Marlins ever released a laundry list as part of the press releases, but I think there's sufficient reasons to believe that Girardi was going to do things his way regardless of what his superiors thought.

 

Well then, I think it is a little unfair to claim he has "baggage", without any specifics. The organization will leak anything they want, in order to justify the firing.

 

Without knowing for sure I just think it is all speculation.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. .

 

What didn't he listen to? Maybe I just haven't seen confirmation of this, I believe you.

 

Is their hard evidence of this? Or just speculation with the firing?

 

I don't have specifics, but after the Loria incident, there were reports that he had feuded with the GM as well. I don't think the Marlins ever released a laundry list as part of the press releases, but I think there's sufficient reasons to believe that Girardi was going to do things his way regardless of what his superiors thought.

 

In the Cubs case this might be a good thing. No?

 

Maybe. But I'm not sure his control-freak tactics are. While I may not agree with everything the Cubs FO does, having a manager who thumbs his nose at them and then demands extreme compliance in the clubhouse may not be the best mix.

[goonys evil twin]

In his office, or maybe in the clubhouse or locker-room -- yes, absolutely -- the owner may yell at whomever he pleases. Not on the baseball field and not when it interferes with the game or the manager's job. I have nothing but admiration for Joe for telling Loria to shut the f up.

 

What is your opinion on the Mark Cuban issue?

 

I'd make exactly the same comment about Cuban - if in fact he does interfere with a game by blasting the refs. The Mavs coach should be able to tell him to cool it.

 

I'm not a big basketball fan but from what I can tell his court-side tirades are tolerated pretty well by the league.

 

The record level of fines indicates otherwise.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. .

 

What didn't he listen to? Maybe I just haven't seen confirmation of this, I believe you.

 

Is their hard evidence of this? Or just speculation with the firing?

 

I don't have specifics, but after the Loria incident, there were reports that he had feuded with the GM as well. I don't think the Marlins ever released a laundry list as part of the press releases, but I think there's sufficient reasons to believe that Girardi was going to do things his way regardless of what his superiors thought.

 

Well then, I think it is a little unfair to claim he has "baggage", without any specifics. The organization will leak anything they want, in order to justify the firing.

 

Without knowing for sure I just think it is all speculation.

 

But it's enough speculation to make me have reservations about hiring him, especially considering I haven't seen a compelling reason to hire him other than one season in which he guided a young team to an under 500 record.

[goonys evil twin]

I'd prefer Brenly but I'd be happy with Girardi too. Girardi had a fine season but he was also the benefactor of some really nice young talent. As others have said I'm a little scared by some things I've read about Giradi, but some of that might just be Loria's smear tactics.

 

I hope Razor Shines is considered, but I really wish Francona would be considered (not gonna happen).

 

What do you like about Francona?

 

Mainly the fact that Francona seems to thoroughly get the importance of OBP.

 

Well regardless, as far as I know he's still the manager of the Red Sox, so why are we talking about him being the manager of the Cubs?

 

Because of newspaper reports that the Cubs asked for, or will ask for, permission to speak with him.

 

 

If that OBP nugget is true, I'd settle for laissez-faire clubhouse rules.

[C.C.]

Hey Vance, if it were down to BB and Joe, who would you think is a better fit for this team? I know it's not Dierker, but just for the sake of argument.

 

I'd probably go with Brenly. I don't like the issues and baggage that belong to Girardi.

 

I'd hope that some of Len's knowlede had at least rubbed off on Brenly and that he might consider things like run expectancy in making decisions.

 

What issues? Him telling Loria to quit yelling at the umpires? It's Girardi's job to communicate with the umpires, not the owner. thats not necessarilly "baggage."

 

I'd also have to have a stronger endorsement of Brenly other than he's sat with a PBP guy the past two years.

 

It probably won't be either one of these guys anyway.

 

No. It seems pretty well known that Girardi didn't listen to suggestions or directives from the GM either. You may find that admirable, but in most lines of work it's insubordination. As I've said elsewhere, it's ironic that someone who wants his players to toe the line and be subjected felt he didn't have to answer to anyone. It's those issues I have concerns about. I'm not so sure Girardi's issue is that he's a diciplinarian or an egotistical control freak. It's likely somewhere in between, but I'm not sure I'd want to chance having a Showalter-type manager.

 

Given the choice between Girardi and Brenly, I'd take Brenly.

 

I think the difference is (everything I've read) the players seem to really like playing for Girardi.

 

And the Ranger players liked Buck in his first year. But from what I'm hearing in Arlington, Showalter has grated on them. I don't think veteran players will like Girardi's "My Way, or the Highway" mannerisms. That plays well with rookies or thank-ful to have a job Joe Borowski-types, but not so much with some of the FA's we'll be trying to lure to Wrigley Field.

 

I don't know about that. Everyone manager is different how he relates to the players. Ozzie is basically a "My Way, or the Highway" type of manger and his Vet players respond to him and enjoy playing for him.

[Bruno7481]

I just don't get all the "my way or the highway" rhetoric you use when speaking of Girardi.

 

There not much proof to base that on. The only thing we know for 100% is that he confronted Loria about yelling at the umpire. Thats it.

 

Who knows for sure what else has gone on.

 

Not even sure if Girardi would be my choice either, but I don't think he would be a bad choice.