Nomar?

[JWCUB]

I'm not all that impressed with Ronny at SS. Do you think the Cubs would or should offer Nomar a deal again? Len said last night that Nomar will be a FA at years end.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

No more Nomar please.

 

He has spent DL time playing first this year. He is not a good defensive SS. He does hit for a good average when he is healthy and a little pop. Other than that he really doesn't bring anything to the table to me.

[baseball7897]

I'm not all that impressed with Ronny at SS. Do you think the Cubs would or should offer Nomar a deal again? Len said last night that Nomar will be a FA at years end.

 

The only place on the field he can stay healthy is 1b. Cubs have D-Lee already. He cannot play the outfield in my opinion either. With his history of leg injuries that would just be a disaster. Nomar burned the cubs twice with his injuries in 04 and 05. Stay away from him.

[fromthestretch]

If for some reason Ramirez leaves, Nomar could be a 3B option. His defense isn't ideal, but he'd be one of the better offensive options.

 

I can't see Hendry bringing him back though.

[goonys evil twin]

If for some reason Ramirez leaves, Nomar could be a 3B option. His defense isn't ideal, but he'd be one of the better offensive options.

 

I can't see Hendry bringing him back though.

 

I hadn't thought of him replacing Ramirez. That is a possibility, I guess. He'd probably be a better option than just about anybody else who would theoretically come into play if Aramis leaves.

[Sammy Sofa]

I just broke out into a cold sweat thinking of him hurling those sidearm throws from the 3B side.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'd take Nomar at 2B and Tejada at SS. Re-signing Aramis, of course.

[fromthestretch]

Speaking of current Dodgers, anyone think the Dodgers might be willing to entertain offers for J.D. Drew this offseason?

[baseball7897]

Speaking of current Dodgers, anyone think the Dodgers might be willing to entertain offers for J.D. Drew this offseason?

 

I dont want him. He cannot stay healthy for a 162 game season.

[fromthestretch]

Speaking of current Dodgers, anyone think the Dodgers might be willing to entertain offers for J.D. Drew this offseason?

 

I dont want him. He cannot stay healthy for a 162 game season.

 

He's on pace for 147 games this year. He played in 145 games two years ago for Atlanta. You certainly can't blame him for missing time last year after someone broke his hand with a fastball. That would be like holding Lee responsible for getting his wrist broken in a collision with Furcal.

 

Drew did miss a lot of time early in his career with nagging injuries. But if he can stay healthly enough to play 145 games, he's worth a look.

[baseball7897]

Speaking of current Dodgers, anyone think the Dodgers might be willing to entertain offers for J.D. Drew this offseason?

 

I dont want him. He cannot stay healthy for a 162 game season.

 

He's on pace for 147 games this year. He played in 145 games two years ago for Atlanta. You certainly can't blame him for missing time last year after someone broke his hand with a fastball. That would be like holding Lee responsible for getting his wrist broken in a collision with Furcal.

 

Drew did miss a lot of time early in his career with nagging injuries. But if he can stay healthly enough to play 145 games, he's worth a look.

 

IF he can stay healthy for 145 like you said, then I would also take a look at him. He would be a risk though. But the saying in the business world is "the more risk you take, the higher the reward".

[goonys evil twin]

Speaking of current Dodgers, anyone think the Dodgers might be willing to entertain offers for J.D. Drew this offseason?

 

I dont want him. He cannot stay healthy for a 162 game season.

 

A lot of guys help a team without playing 162 games. Drew has a bad injury history. But he's also produced when he's played, and has played the bulk of most seasons. I think you can get a good 130 games out of him, giving him regular rest. The .380+ OBP and 850+ OPS over 130 games, with a legit shot for 900-1000 OPS, would probably be more valuable to a team than something like Jacque Jones and his expected 145-150 games of .320 or less OBP and 815 or less OPS.

 

If you move Jacque to center, play JD in right and Murton in left, you have a pretty good OF. Mix in a guy like Jose Cruz Jr. to give Drew a breather and take some of Murton's at bats if he slumps. Or maybe go after Jason Michaels for that role. Have Pie waiting in the wings if you're forced to move Jacque over to RF. Keep Pagan as the 5th OF who can also help you rest some guys. It's not ideal of course, but it could work out well, especially if you can find some 2B production.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

145 games of JD Drew beats the living crap out of 162 of Jacque Jones.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd take a look at Nomar for third if Ramirez leaves. Other than that, I don't think he fits our needs.

 

I'd be all about getting Drew if the Dodgers made him available. He has a 380 OBP for this season. If we could move Jones and trade for Drew, that would be great. I don't see Hendry moving Jones however.

 

Rather than think about Nomar, the Cubs might want to look at Kent for secondbase.

[baseball7897]

Speaking of current Dodgers, anyone think the Dodgers might be willing to entertain offers for J.D. Drew this offseason?

 

I dont want him. He cannot stay healthy for a 162 game season.

 

A lot of guys help a team without playing 162 games. Drew has a bad injury history. But he's also produced when he's played, and has played the bulk of most seasons. I think you can get a good 130 games out of him, giving him regular rest. The .380+ OBP and 850+ OPS over 130 games, with a legit shot for 900-1000 OPS, would probably be more valuable to a team than something like Jacque Jones and his expected 145-150 games of .320 or less OBP and 815 or less OPS.

 

If you move Jacque to center, play JD in right and Murton in left, you have a pretty good OF. Mix in a guy like Jose Cruz Jr. to give Drew a breather and take some of Murton's at bats if he slumps. Or maybe go after Jason Michaels for that role. Have Pie waiting in the wings if you're forced to move Jacque over to RF. Keep Pagan as the 5th OF who can also help you rest some guys. It's not ideal of course, but it could work out well, especially if you can find some 2B production.

 

Absolutely. I think a outfield of Murton, Drew, and Jones would be something Hendry should consider. Then adding a guy like Jay Payton who can play all 3 outfield spots would be something Hendry should look at also.

 

I would like Hendry to take a look at Macier Izturis. His versatility would be a huge asset for the cubs.

Edited September 13, 2006 by baseball7897

[Soriano12]

Nomar is no longer a SS.

 

I'd love to have him at 2B, though we do have future hall of famer Freddie

Bynum right now.

[fromthestretch]

I would like Hendry to take a look at Macier Izturis. His versatility would be a huge asset for the cubs.

 

 

I've said in the past that we traded for the wrong Izturis. Maybe we could trade them Cesar for Macier.

[davearm]

I'd take a look at Nomar for third if Ramirez leaves. Other than that, I don't think he fits our needs.

 

I'd be all about getting Drew if the Dodgers made him available. He has a 380 OBP for this season. If we could move Jones and trade for Drew, that would be great. I don't see Hendry moving Jones however.

 

Rather than think about Nomar, the Cubs might want to look at Kent for secondbase.

If the Dodgers are in a hurry to get out from under Drew's contract, then maybe they take Jones for Drew straight up? Jones @ 2/9 maybe looks better to them than Drew @ 3/33.

 

Obviously the talent/production isn't balanced, but we've all seen crazier salary dumps than that. $24M saved is nothing to sneeze at, especially these days, when GMs are swapping contracts as much as they are players.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd take a look at Nomar for third if Ramirez leaves. Other than that, I don't think he fits our needs.

 

I'd be all about getting Drew if the Dodgers made him available. He has a 380 OBP for this season. If we could move Jones and trade for Drew, that would be great. I don't see Hendry moving Jones however.

 

Rather than think about Nomar, the Cubs might want to look at Kent for secondbase.

If the Dodgers are in a hurry to get out from under Drew's contract, then maybe they take Jones for Drew straight up? Jones @ 2/9 maybe looks better to them than Drew @ 3/33.

 

Obviously the talent/production isn't balanced, but we've all seen crazier salary dumps than that. $24M saved is nothing to sneeze at, especially these days, when GMs are swapping contracts as much as they are players.

 

If I could turn Jacque into Drew, I'd be ecstatic. Hell, I'd let them have Izturis back in the deal as well. :)

[HoopsCubs]

I'd take a look at Nomar for third if Ramirez leaves. Other than that, I don't think he fits our needs.

 

I'd be all about getting Drew if the Dodgers made him available. He has a 380 OBP for this season. If we could move Jones and trade for Drew, that would be great. I don't see Hendry moving Jones however.

 

Rather than think about Nomar, the Cubs might want to look at Kent for secondbase.

If the Dodgers are in a hurry to get out from under Drew's contract, then maybe they take Jones for Drew straight up? Jones @ 2/9 maybe looks better to them than Drew @ 3/33.

 

Obviously the talent/production isn't balanced, but we've all seen crazier salary dumps than that. $24M saved is nothing to sneeze at, especially these days, when GMs are swapping contracts as much as they are players.

 

But, does the extra $23M and 1 season you have to give Drew result in real offensive impact? Is it worth the 50 extra points in OBP and 20 less in SLG?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd take a look at Nomar for third if Ramirez leaves. Other than that, I don't think he fits our needs.

 

I'd be all about getting Drew if the Dodgers made him available. He has a 380 OBP for this season. If we could move Jones and trade for Drew, that would be great. I don't see Hendry moving Jones however.

 

Rather than think about Nomar, the Cubs might want to look at Kent for secondbase.

If the Dodgers are in a hurry to get out from under Drew's contract, then maybe they take Jones for Drew straight up? Jones @ 2/9 maybe looks better to them than Drew @ 3/33.

 

Obviously the talent/production isn't balanced, but we've all seen crazier salary dumps than that. $24M saved is nothing to sneeze at, especially these days, when GMs are swapping contracts as much as they are players.

 

But, does the extra $23M and 1 season you have to give Drew result in real offensive impact? Is it worth the 50 extra points in OBP and 20 less in SLG?

 

That's a big assumption that there will be that much a drop in SLG.

 

This year, Jones holds a 20 point edge in SLG, but in 2005, Drew had a SLG of 90 points higher as well as an OBP of nearly that amount. In 2004, Drew had a SLG on 140 points higher.

 

I think that it's just as likely that Jones and Drew will SLG at identical clips over the next two years, and also likely that Drew could outslug him.

 

Taken along with the fact that Drew is going to get on base at 50-100 points higher than Jones, yes it is worth the extra.

[CubColtPacer]

I'd take a look at Nomar for third if Ramirez leaves. Other than that, I don't think he fits our needs.

 

I'd be all about getting Drew if the Dodgers made him available. He has a 380 OBP for this season. If we could move Jones and trade for Drew, that would be great. I don't see Hendry moving Jones however.

 

Rather than think about Nomar, the Cubs might want to look at Kent for secondbase.

If the Dodgers are in a hurry to get out from under Drew's contract, then maybe they take Jones for Drew straight up? Jones @ 2/9 maybe looks better to them than Drew @ 3/33.

 

Obviously the talent/production isn't balanced, but we've all seen crazier salary dumps than that. $24M saved is nothing to sneeze at, especially these days, when GMs are swapping contracts as much as they are players.

 

But, does the extra $23M and 1 season you have to give Drew result in real offensive impact? Is it worth the 50 extra points in OBP and 20 less in SLG?

 

That's a big assumption that there will be that much a drop in SLG.

 

This year, Jones holds a 20 point edge in SLG, but in 2005, Drew had a SLG of 90 points higher as well as an OBP of nearly that amount. In 2004, Drew had a SLG on 140 points higher.

 

I think that it's just as likely that Jones and Drew will SLG at identical clips over the next two years, and also likely that Drew could outslug him.

 

Taken along with the fact that Drew is going to get on base at 50-100 points higher than Jones, yes it is worth the extra.

 

That's certainly true-but it gets more complicated when you add this. Is Jacque and a good platoon partner (costing together between 7 and 8 million dollars for 2 years) have more dollar for dollar value than Drew+a backup outfielder at 12 million dollars combined? I really think it does-a good platoon partner for Jacque still makes Drew's production moderately better. When you throw in though that 1) It's 4-5 million dollars more out of your budget for the option with Drew, 2) Drew is an injury risk and the backup outfielder has a decent shot of starting 30-40 games or possibly more, which will drag down the production at the position and 3) Whoever is on the bench, Jacque or the Platoon Partner will be a better option off the bench than the backup outfielder making a million, then I think the first option is the better option.

[goonys evil twin]

That's certainly true-but it gets more complicated when you add this. Is Jacque and a good platoon partner (costing together between 7 and 8 million dollars for 2 years) have more dollar for dollar value than Drew+a backup outfielder at 12 million dollars combined? I really think it does-a good platoon partner for Jacque still makes Drew's production moderately better. When you throw in though that 1) It's 4-5 million dollars more out of your budget for the option with Drew, 2) Drew is an injury risk and the backup outfielder has a decent shot of starting 30-40 games or possibly more, which will drag down the production at the position and 3) Whoever is on the bench, Jacque or the Platoon Partner will be a better option off the bench than the backup outfielder making a million, then I think the first option is the better option.

 

A) You have to find that platoon partner.

B) You have to find a manager that will platoon them properly to get the benefit.

 

Drew's production will be higher than Jacque's, the only question is how much. It stands a pretty fair chance of being immensely better. The Cubs need to go for the gold here. Simply settling on mediocrity because of minimal downside risk has got to stop being the modus operandi. This is especially true when the Cubs have proven that settling on mediocrity does have as much downside risk as going for broke with somebody who at least stands a chance at greatness. The Cubs don't have a million options to choose from. They need to find some offensive upgrades, and Drew is one guy who provides that. You can also think of it as replacing Pierre/Jones with Drew/Jones, Jacque doesn't necessarily have to be the guy Drew replaces.

 

If the Cubs can find a way to put Tejada or ARod at shortstop, or get Abeu for the OF, a move that guarantees increased production, great. But the next best thing is a move that gives them a solid chance of improved production. And they can't afford to disregard players like Drew. They don't have room to be picky.

[neely crenshaw]

we can not afford to sign nomar. i am glad he is playing great and is healthy but we need solid offensive help not another gamble.

it is ok to gamble when you are the favorite to win the division before you sign nomar...he is a bonus. it is ok to gamble on nomar when you have 3 studs in your rotation plus greg maddux...if he falls apart then your pitching should be good enough to carry you. we no longer have that type of pitching.

[goonys evil twin]

we can not afford to sign nomar. i am glad he is playing great and is healthy but we need solid offensive help not another gamble.

it is ok to gamble when you are the favorite to win the division before you sign nomar...he is a bonus. it is ok to gamble on nomar when you have 3 studs in your rotation plus greg maddux...if he falls apart then your pitching should be good enough to carry you. we no longer have that type of pitching.

 

The Cubs don't have right to be picky. They have to gamble. It's much better than their longstanding strategy of sticking with mediocrity.