Jeter vs. A-Rod

[wade]

I'm sure most saw the highlight last night where A-Rod and Jeter bumped into each other and A-Rod dropped a pop up. After the muff, Jeter glared at A-Rod and then the highlight was over.

 

I didn't see the game and I'm wondering what happened next, if any of you saw it live. Neither went for the ball, which was still live, by the way.

 

If no one has any insight I guess I'll have to wait for the 30 minute ESPN special on the feud which will surely be on in an hour or two. :D

[DiamondMind]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created. Edited August 18, 2006 by DiamondMind

[USSoccer]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

Yeah, he's such a team player that he moved to 3B when the Yankees signed the best defensive SS in the AL...wait, that never happened.

[DiamondMind]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

Yeah, he's such a team player that he moved to 3B when the Yankees signed the best defensive SS in the AL...wait, that never happened.

 

Jeter, through his service in NY, should hold the preference of position played. Again, you're making something out of nothing.

[USSoccer]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

Yeah, he's such a team player that he moved to 3B when the Yankees signed the best defensive SS in the AL...wait, that never happened.

 

Jeter, through his service in NY, should hold the preference of position played. Again, you're making something out of nothing.

 

You're saying that he should get to play whatever position he wants out of deference to his tenure, regardless of the fact that it's detrimental to the team?

[DiamondMind]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

Yeah, he's such a team player that he moved to 3B when the Yankees signed the best defensive SS in the AL...wait, that never happened.

 

Jeter, through his service in NY, should hold the preference of position played. Again, you're making something out of nothing.

 

You're saying that he should get to play whatever position he wants out of deference to his tenure, regardless of the fact that it's detrimental to the team?

 

No, I'm not saying whatever position he wants. Jeter has developed as a SS and deserves to play that position until his skills dictate otherwise; another player acquisition should not be the reason of a position shift. Who says Jeter's defense is detrimental to the team anyway? He may not have A+ range but he turns the DP and fields balls that should be made. The Yankeee's infield defense is definitely not a problem of the squad.

[wade]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

I don't think it's a controversy yet, but I'm trying. :D

 

But really, Jeter looked like he was getting ready to powerbomb A-Rod and neither made any effort to move toward a live ball rolling around the infield, then the highlight ended.

 

Somebody told me they heard on the radio that Jeter says he thought the ball was caught and that's why he didn't go after it after the muff.

[DiamondMind]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

I don't think it's a controversy yet, but I'm trying. :D

 

But really, Jeter looked like he was getting ready to powerbomb A-Rod and neither made any effort to move toward a live ball rolling around the infield, then the highlight ended.

 

Somebody told me they heard on the radio that Jeter says he thought the ball was caught and that's why he didn't go after it after the muff.

 

If anything it's general frustation with pure chance that A-Rod was involved in the play. A-Rod wears a bullseye on his chest every game, and has that snowball effect going with any miscue (real or perceived) on his part.

[Sammy Sofa]

There's trouble in paradise.

[sherwood921]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

Yeah, he's such a team player that he moved to 3B when the Yankees signed the best defensive SS in the AL...wait, that never happened.

 

Jeter, through his service in NY, should hold the preference of position played. Again, you're making something out of nothing.

 

You're saying that he should get to play whatever position he wants out of deference to his tenure, regardless of the fact that it's detrimental to the team?

 

No, I'm not saying whatever position he wants. Jeter has developed as a SS and deserves to play that position until his skills dictate otherwise; another player acquisition should not be the reason of a position shift. Who says Jeter's defense is detrimental to the team anyway? He may not have A+ range but he turns the DP and fields balls that should be made. The Yankeee's infield defense is definitely not a problem of the squad.

 

If he's such a team player he should recognize what would have been best for the team.

[rocket]

jeter has the rings so i'm sure it's arod's fault

[ZiggyTaxi]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

Yeah, he's such a team player that he moved to 3B when the Yankees signed the best defensive SS in the AL...wait, that never happened.

 

Jeter, through his service in NY, should hold the preference of position played. Again, you're making something out of nothing.

 

You're saying that he should get to play whatever position he wants out of deference to his tenure, regardless of the fact that it's detrimental to the team?

 

No, I'm not saying whatever position he wants. Jeter has developed as a SS and deserves to play that position until his skills dictate otherwise; another player acquisition should not be the reason of a position shift. Who says Jeter's defense is detrimental to the team anyway? He may not have A+ range but he turns the DP and fields balls that should be made. The Yankeee's infield defense is definitely not a problem of the squad.

 

That still does not make any sense. A-Rod was the better SS. Jeter should have moved.

[hawkeyecub]

Jeter: .338/.415/.478 (.893 OPS)

A-Rod: .285/.385/.503 (.889 OPS)

 

Who saw that coming? Jeter is also 26/29 in stolen bases.

[USSoccer]

I wonder if Jeter pumped his fist after that play.

[USSoccer]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

Yeah, he's such a team player that he moved to 3B when the Yankees signed the best defensive SS in the AL...wait, that never happened.

 

Jeter, through his service in NY, should hold the preference of position played. Again, you're making something out of nothing.

 

You're saying that he should get to play whatever position he wants out of deference to his tenure, regardless of the fact that it's detrimental to the team?

 

No, I'm not saying whatever position he wants. Jeter has developed as a SS and deserves to play that position until his skills dictate otherwise; another player acquisition should not be the reason of a position shift. Who says Jeter's defense is detrimental to the team anyway? He may not have A+ range but he turns the DP and fields balls that should be made. The Yankeee's infield defense is definitely not a problem of the squad.

 

That still does not make any sense. A-Rod was the better SS. Jeter should have moved.

 

Especially if he's the "consumate team player"

[goonys evil twin]

I wonder if Jeter pumped his fist after that play.

 

I'm sure he pumped something.

[thedaymen]

Check out this story from the Newark Star Ledger.

 

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/politi/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/115587999754860.xml&coll=1&thispage=3

 

Two innings later, scorer Howie Karpin -- perhaps noticing the number of sportswriters who were furiously flipping through Shannon's handy guidebook -- changed his ruling and gave Jeter the error for impeding the catch. Which came as quite a shock to Jeter after the game.

 

"I was? Really?" he asked. "I didn't touch it."

 

Jeter said if he called for it -- and replays clearly showed he did -- that it was his play to make. Manager Joe Torre agreed with his shortstop, explaining that on a pop-up, "the shortstop is the No. 1 guy, the second base is the No. 2 guy, then third base, then first base, is the order of priority."

 

and later

 

So, in review:

 

1. Jeter bumps into A-Rod to cause the dropped pop-up.

 

2. Jeter is indignant that he got called for the error when he should have just shrugged it off, or maybe even deflected some of the blame off his beleaguered teammate.

 

3. A-Rod is one who looks bad.

 

 

daymen's personal view: AROD came to NY thinking here was his chance to take over the baseball world and to do that he first had to takeover the Yankees. He's failed at that for a number of media-created reasons and Jeter is enjoying piling on. As AROD has "struggled" this season, Jeter has never really took up for him and instead does these suttle things to throw him under a bus.

 

Jeter's "leadership" is myth.

 

edited to include link to story

Edited August 18, 2006 by thedaymen

[rocket]

Jeter: .338/.415/.478 (.893 OPS)

A-Rod: .285/.385/.503 (.889 OPS)

 

Who saw that coming? Jeter is also 26/29 in stolen bases.

 

i know. you can actually make a case for jeter for mvp without throwing the word intangibles in there this year.

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/?view=winshares

 

He's tied for the lead in the AL in total win shares

Edited August 18, 2006 by rocket

[goonys evil twin]

Jeter's "leadership" is myth.

 

The Yankees won WS titles when he was a kid, being led by some very good veterans. Since those guys left, they haven't won a WS. Jeter hasn't led them to anything.

[USSoccer]

Jeter's "leadership" is myth.

 

The Yankees won WS titles when he was a kid, being led by some very good veterans. Since those guys left, they haven't won a WS. Jeter hasn't led them to anything.

 

Don't tell the national media. Saint Jeter is the greatest baseball player ever. Just ask him.

[RynoRules]

I have always gotten the feeling that Torre is the leader. He set the tone for that clubhouse.

[sweetpeteman]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

Yeah, he's such a team player that he moved to 3B when the Yankees signed the best defensive SS in the AL...wait, that never happened.

 

 

You're right, the Yankees never signed the best defensive SS in the AL...

[USSoccer]

Jeter is the consumate team player, and even if A-Rod is involved, this controversy (if thats even what it is) is totally media created.

 

Yeah, he's such a team player that he moved to 3B when the Yankees signed the best defensive SS in the AL...wait, that never happened.

 

 

You're right, the Yankees never signed the best defensive SS in the AL...

 

Good catch. My mistake on the method of acquisition.

[Drew Doughty]

Jeter: .338/.415/.478 (.893 OPS)

A-Rod: .285/.385/.503 (.889 OPS)

 

Who saw that coming? Jeter is also 26/29 in stolen bases.

 

i know. you can actually make a case for jeter for mvp without throwing the word intangibles in there this year.

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/?view=winshares

 

He's tied for the lead in the AL in total win shares

 

idiots will still argue that his "intangibles" give him the edge.

 

I'd still put him behind a few others though.

[DiamondMind]

Jeter: .338/.415/.478 (.893 OPS)

A-Rod: .285/.385/.503 (.889 OPS)

 

Who saw that coming? Jeter is also 26/29 in stolen bases.

 

i know. you can actually make a case for jeter for mvp without throwing the word intangibles in there this year.

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/thtstats/main/?view=winshares

 

He's tied for the lead in the AL in total win shares

 

idiots will still argue that his "intangibles" give him the edge.

 

I'd still put him behind a few others though.

 

Idiots? Come on.