Jim Edmonds Undergoing Tests For Post-Concussion Syndrome

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Like him or not, hopefully it is not anything serious.

 

Whatever Jim Edmonds is dealing with -- and at this point it appears to be post-concussion syndrome -- it is something to be taken seriously. Edmonds, removed from the Cardinals' Tuesday night game against Cincinnati, underwent a series of medical tests on Tuesday and Wednesday in an attempt to narrow down what is causing his discomfort.

 

The most likely scenario, however, is that Edmonds is encountering the effects of post-concussion syndrome. He sustained a concussion on June 21 in Chicago, missing three games. For the past several days, he has experienced symptoms similar to those that bothered him in June.

[Balsa]

Wow, that's not gonna increase his payroll next year. I hope he's alright. It just wouldn't be the same without being able to heckle Edmonds from the bleachers.

[wolf stansson]

Wow, that's not gonna increase his payroll next year. I hope he's alright. It just wouldn't be the same without being able to heckle Edmonds from the bleachers.

He has a 10 million option with a 3 million buy out.

 

Our team sucks and I honestly wouldn't mind if they shut him down for the rest of the year, picked up the option (it's essentially 7 million for a good defender who will post at least an .850 ops) and hoped for the best.

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Our team sucks and I honestly wouldn't mind if they shut him down for the rest of the year, picked up the option (it's essentially 7 million for a good defender who will post at least an .850 ops) and hoped for the best.

 

Dewan ranked him 32nd out of 35 CF's. Not too good.

[Mizzou]

 

Our team sucks and I honestly wouldn't mind if they shut him down for the rest of the year, picked up the option (it's essentially 7 million for a good defender who will post at least an .850 ops) and hoped for the best.

 

Dewan ranked him 32nd out of 35 CF's. Not too good.

What kind of defensive ranking has Jim Edmonds ranked as nearly the worst defensive centerfielder in the game? I hate Edmonds, but it's pretty silly (IMO) to say that he doesn't have a good glove.

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Our team sucks and I honestly wouldn't mind if they shut him down for the rest of the year, picked up the option (it's essentially 7 million for a good defender who will post at least an .850 ops) and hoped for the best.

 

Dewan ranked him 32nd out of 35 CF's. Not too good.

What kind of defensive ranking has Jim Edmonds ranked as nearly the worst defensive centerfielder in the game? I hate Edmonds, but it's pretty silly (IMO) to say that he doesn't have a good glove.

 

John Dewan's Fielding Bible is considered pretty authoritative.

 

Michael is the person to ask if you want an explanation for why Edmonds is ranked too low. Michael did an interview with Dewan.

 

FWIW, other metrics (PMR, UZR, Davenport, BBTF's zone rating) rank Edmonds from pretty average to pretty good, but not superior.

[wolf stansson]

 

Our team sucks and I honestly wouldn't mind if they shut him down for the rest of the year, picked up the option (it's essentially 7 million for a good defender who will post at least an .850 ops) and hoped for the best.

 

Dewan ranked him 32nd out of 35 CF's. Not too good.

OK, change good to looks good in highlights then. My point stands. paying him 3 mil to walk and take his offense with him would be [expletive]. Especially considering the 3 starters, second basemen, and multiple bullpen arms that need to be replaced. Too many holes already to fill without making more.

 

BTW - He's probably playing tomorrow:

St. Louis took two of three from the second-place Reds. The Cardinals won without Jim Edmonds, who missed his second straight game because of post-concussion syndrome, although trainer Barry Weinberg said Edmonds was feeling better and could play on Friday in the opener of a three-game series at Chicago.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=AhV78Z.j_vb6gAPd48RA_7w5nYcB?gid=260817124

 

 

Dewan stuff from gatewayredbirds.com:

GRB: How does Jim Edmonds fare in your analysis? Is there truth to the viewpoint some hold that he exaggerates the difficulty of certain plays or contributes to their difficulty by playing so shallow?

 

JOHN: Well I’m sure he’s not doing it on purpose. It may be coming across that way. . .

 

 

GRB: Is he kind of Hollywood in other words, a showboat? Some people, a lot of Cubs fans in particular, say he waits a step so he can make a diving catch.

 

JOHN: Well it reminds me of Ken Griffey Jr. In the book I talk about how for the ten years that he was winning gold gloves he never came out on our old zone rating system very well. We studied it seven ways from Sunday and basically found out that he was not getting to the peripheries of the zone, he’s not making the plays, but he looks good and finishes well and people see the finishes. They’re not seeing the jumps. When a ball leaves a hitter’s bat most fans are watching the hitter and then the flight of the ball. They’re not seeing whether or not the fielder is getting a good jump. Frankly, I haven’t studied that myself, but it is clear that some outfielders get better jumps than others. Aaron Rowand is one, for example, who came out very well in our system who gets a great jump. Jim Edmonds has not come out well in our system recently and I think he’s losing some. His arm remains the absolute best but he has lost some of his ability to cover center field.

 

Superb athlete that makes good finishes. That's fair. Great arm as well. I buy it, but if I admit to agreeing with that you have to admit to agreeing with this:

GRB: What position do you feel it is most beneficial to have a great defensive player?

 

JOHN: Well, you know, it’s funny. I’ll just give you one that in the last month I’ve really begun to think about. I do a radio show here in Chicago that has a segment called “Stat of the Week” and the host is Mike Murphy. He’s been talking to me about the value of a first baseman versus a third baseman, and you have the same situation that we just talked about in relation to second baseman and shortstops. To play third you’ve got to have a good arm. You don’t need an arm to play first. So, in general, you do have to have better skilled players playing third, and there are more right handed hitters so you have more balls hit down the third base line than you do down the first base line. So at third base you need good defensive ability. But, if you have a great defensive first baseman, who is particularly adept at handling bad throws, he can become more valuable than your third baseman and probably more valuable than the outfielders, not necessarily more valuable than your middle infielders. Unfortunately, the guy that is becoming that, not unfortunately for you guys, but for the rest of us, is Albert Pujols. It’s just incredible! The guy is the best hitter in baseball and now he’s becoming one of the best defensive players in baseball because not only did he come out very good on the plus/minus system, and by the way I just looked at first baseman this morning and he is number one among first baseman this year, so far, but not only is he great at handling ground balls, he was the best at handling bad throws from his fellow infielders. I think that that makes having a great first baseman really important. It makes it one of the most important positions at which to have a great defensive player.

 

OK, so you don't have to agree with it. I was just further pimping gateway redbirds and exercising my Pujols love.

[Productive Outs]

is that because Lee has missed so much time this year? or is Pujols that good? i haven't been paying attention.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's because the methodology for first baseman is far less reliable than the process for other positions.

[wolf stansson]

is that because Lee has missed so much time this year? or is Pujols that good? i haven't been paying attention.

It's from last year.

It's because the methodology for first baseman is far less reliable than the process for other positions.

Yeah, Dewan is the first person to really delve deeply into it and come to the conclusions that it is more important than 3b, or the OF positions.

 

I still think Albert is very good. He doesn't have D-Lee's range, but he is very good and could win the gold glove this year. Meaningless though it may be.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I still think Albert is very good. He doesn't have D-Lee's range, but he is very good and could win the gold glove this year. Meaningless though it may be.

 

Nah, Derrek will win it again. Just to prove how meaningless the award really is.

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Dusty Baker's not the only manager who puts the blame elsewhere when the team isn't doing well.

 

Tony La Russa has been making subtle jabs at Edmonds to the media. The fact is that it's not, as La Russa says, "up to Jim to tell me when he's ready." It's simply whenever Edmonds stops having the symptoms. No one, not even someone as talented as Edmonds, can play with headaches, nausea, dizziness, and reduced visual acuity. La Russa is doing a good job of deflecting blame but a poor job of leading.

[Mizzou]

I don't see how that's a jab. I read the Post-Dispatch pretty regularly and haven't really seen anything wrong with anything LaRussa has said.

[wolf stansson]

Ever since Edmonds made the negative comment about the organization and their willingness to discuss his option during the season, Tony has been making snide comments about him.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

 

Our team sucks and I honestly wouldn't mind if they shut him down for the rest of the year, picked up the option (it's essentially 7 million for a good defender who will post at least an .850 ops) and hoped for the best.

 

Dewan ranked him 32nd out of 35 CF's. Not too good.

What kind of defensive ranking has Jim Edmonds ranked as nearly the worst defensive centerfielder in the game? I hate Edmonds, but it's pretty silly (IMO) to say that he doesn't have a good glove.

 

John Dewan's Fielding Bible is considered pretty authoritative.

 

Michael is the person to ask if you want an explanation for why Edmonds is ranked too low. Michael did an interview with Dewan.

 

FWIW, other metrics (PMR, UZR, Davenport, BBTF's zone rating) rank Edmonds from pretty average to pretty good, but not superior.

 

I love you man. Yes, I think Edmonds is very overrated in terms of defense. His range most likely wasn't great in his prime and I think stinks now. That said, he has a very, very good arm.

 

 

GRB: How valuable relative to the outcome of a single game or season is an outfielder with a strong accurate throwing arm compared to an outfielder with an average arm?

 

JOHN: Oh, it can be huge. We just talked about Richard Hidalgo. The single most valuable defensive play is the base runner kill. If you can get 19 in a season that is huge. If you can get 13 in a season that is huge. The arm is quite important. It does prevent runners from taking the extra base if you can get the good reputation. If on top of that you can throw that many runners out it can be huge.

 

Link

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Some people, a lot of Cubs fans in particular, say he waits a step so he can make a diving catch.

 

 

BTW, when I said that I was thinking of NSBB.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Ever since Edmonds made the negative comment about the organization and their willingness to discuss his option during the season, Tony has been making snide comments about him.

 

 

Juan E. in center in 07? It wouldn't shock me.

[wolf stansson]

Ever since Edmonds made the negative comment about the organization and their willingness to discuss his option during the season, Tony has been making snide comments about him.

 

 

Juan E. in center in 07? It wouldn't shock me.

What are you? Drunk?

 

lol because you are.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Ever since Edmonds made the negative comment about the organization and their willingness to discuss his option during the season, Tony has been making snide comments about him.

 

 

Juan E. in center in 07? It wouldn't shock me.

What are you? Drunk?

 

lol because you are.

 

 

You know me all to well.