Harold Reynolds Fired

[goonys evil twin]

I was 8 when it happened, and I remember it. I think his '?' was directed at referring to Thomas as a good friend of Reynolds.

 

Just a guess.

 

I think the "good friend" comment was just a way to make the joke work.

[RynoRules]

I was 8 when it happened, and I remember it. I think his '?' was directed at referring to Thomas as a good friend of Reynolds.

 

Just a guess.

 

I think the "good friend" comment was just a way to make the joke work.

 

I misinterpreted the joke.

[Soul]

I guess innocent until proven guilty really has gone the way of the dinosaur in this country.

 

Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm uncomfortable with this. When did we decide as a nation that it's O.K. to begin punishing people before they have even had a chance to confront the charges against them?

 

 

This is sad. ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. Yet another reason I'm glad I don't watch that network much any more. I'll bet dollars to navy beans this is nothing----just like the supposed Duke "rapes" and the Kobe Bryant "rape."

[David]

I was 8 when it happened, and I remember it. I think his '?' was directed at referring to Thomas as a good friend of Reynolds.

 

Just a guess.

 

I think the "good friend" comment was just a way to make the joke work.

 

Probably.

[goonys evil twin]

I guess innocent until proven guilty really has gone the way of the dinosaur in this country.

 

Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm uncomfortable with this. When did we decide as a nation that it's O.K. to begin punishing people before they have even had a chance to confront the charges against them?

 

 

This is sad. ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. Yet another reason I'm glad I don't watch that network much any more. I'll bet dollars to navy beans this is nothing----just like the supposed Duke "rapes" and the Kobe Bryant "rape."

 

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

There's a difference between the courts, and the court of public opinion, not to mention the workplace. Business of all kinds work their tail off to gather enough information to support their firings. I know people who have had way more than enough reason to fire, but had to wait to get even more, because of liability. ESPN does not need to prove to you that a firing was in order. You can be pretty sure that they have a pretty thick booklet of info backing up their case if they made the move.

[J.R.]

I guess innocent until proven guilty really has gone the way of the dinosaur in this country.

 

Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm uncomfortable with this. When did we decide as a nation that it's O.K. to begin punishing people before they have even had a chance to confront the charges against them?

 

This is sad. ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. Yet another reason I'm glad I don't watch that network much any more. I'll bet dollars to navy beans this is nothing----just like the supposed Duke "rapes" and the Kobe Bryant "rape."

 

I never cared for HR, but you're right.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I guess innocent until proven guilty really has gone the way of the dinosaur in this country.

 

Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm uncomfortable with this. When did we decide as a nation that it's O.K. to begin punishing people before they have even had a chance to confront the charges against them?

 

 

This is sad. ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. Yet another reason I'm glad I don't watch that network much any more. I'll bet dollars to navy beans this is nothing----just like the supposed Duke "rapes" and the Kobe Bryant "rape."

 

Harold can cry me a river. I say kudos to ESPN for having the balls to do something about it, more companies should take it more seriously.

Edited July 26, 2006 by Ding Dong Johnson

[goonys evil twin]

I guess innocent until proven guilty really has gone the way of the dinosaur in this country.

 

Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm uncomfortable with this. When did we decide as a nation that it's O.K. to begin punishing people before they have even had a chance to confront the charges against them?

 

This is sad. ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. Yet another reason I'm glad I don't watch that network much any more. I'll bet dollars to navy beans this is nothing----just like the supposed Duke "rapes" and the Kobe Bryant "rape."

 

I never cared for HR, but you're right.

 

How do you know he's right? That's absurd. Odds are pretty heavy that they have more than enough reason to fire him. Companies don't just fire people without discussions going on. I've heard people who have had to deal with the repeated warnings, not to mention the attempted lawsuits that follow. You have absolutely no reason to believe ESPN just blindsided him with this with no support.

[abuck1220]

I guess innocent until proven guilty really has gone the way of the dinosaur in this country.

 

Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm uncomfortable with this. When did we decide as a nation that it's O.K. to begin punishing people before they have even had a chance to confront the charges against them?

 

 

This is sad. ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. Yet another reason I'm glad I don't watch that network much any more. I'll bet dollars to navy beans this is nothing----just like the supposed Duke "rapes" and the Kobe Bryant "rape."

 

yeah, because i'm sure reynolds' story about it just being a hug is 100% accurate.

[J.R.]

I guess innocent until proven guilty really has gone the way of the dinosaur in this country.

 

Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm uncomfortable with this. When did we decide as a nation that it's O.K. to begin punishing people before they have even had a chance to confront the charges against them?

 

This is sad. ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. Yet another reason I'm glad I don't watch that network much any more. I'll bet dollars to navy beans this is nothing----just like the supposed Duke "rapes" and the Kobe Bryant "rape."

 

I never cared for HR, but you're right.

 

How do you know he's right? That's absurd. Odds are pretty heavy that they have more than enough reason to fire him. Companies don't just fire people without discussions going on. I've heard people who have had to deal with the repeated warnings, not to mention the attempted lawsuits that follow. You have absolutely no reason to believe ESPN just blindsided him with this with no support.

 

I'm not necessarily agreeing that HR was wrongly fired — I'm just fed up with the fact that society in general destroys people with little thought for the truth behind the accusations.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm not necessarily agreeing that HR was wrongly fired — I'm just fed up with the fact that society in general destroys people with little thought for the truth behind the accusations.

 

This doesn't happen all that frequently. Far less frequently than people who get away with constant sexual harrassment.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'm not necessarily agreeing that HR was wrongly fired — I'm just fed up with the fact that society in general destroys people with little thought for the truth behind the accusations.

 

Do you think the firing just came out of the blue? That he innocently hugged one woman and things were blown out of proportion? An accusation is one thing, Harold was likely fired with cause and probably after previous warnings.

[Derwood]

In the US, victims information is held in private while the accused get their name and personal info aired all over the TV and internet. If the accused end up being innocent, the damage is already done. Richard Jewel is a prime example

[Soul]

I guess innocent until proven guilty really has gone the way of the dinosaur in this country.

 

Not sure about the rest of you, but I'm uncomfortable with this. When did we decide as a nation that it's O.K. to begin punishing people before they have even had a chance to confront the charges against them?

 

This is sad. ESPN ought to be ashamed of themselves. Yet another reason I'm glad I don't watch that network much any more. I'll bet dollars to navy beans this is nothing----just like the supposed Duke "rapes" and the Kobe Bryant "rape."

 

I never cared for HR, but you're right.

 

How do you know he's right? That's absurd. Odds are pretty heavy that they have more than enough reason to fire him. Companies don't just fire people without discussions going on. I've heard people who have had to deal with the repeated warnings, not to mention the attempted lawsuits that follow. You have absolutely no reason to believe ESPN just blindsided him with this with no support.

 

Odds are pretty heavy?? LOL. You've got to be kidding.

 

Yes, let's destroy a human being because we all trust the mighty corporation, right? ESPN surely has all the evidence that would be required for a conviction----let's just take it on faith and destroy Reynolds.

 

Give me a break goony.

[goonys evil twin]

Odds are pretty heavy?? LOL. You've got to be kidding.

 

Yes, let's destroy a human being because we all trust the mighty corporation, right?

 

Give me a break goony.

 

You have no idea the lenghts to which big business goes to before making a move like this. I do. I've seen it. It is highly unlikely that this is an unjustifiable termination. It's not worth it to them to risk the trouble. You have to go above and beyond to make a move like that.

[Soul]

In the US, victims information is held in private while the accused get their name and personal info aired all over the TV and internet. If the accused end up being innocent, the damage is already done. Richard Jewel is a prime example

 

Exactly. What happened to Jewel was a travesty.

 

Are we so mindless that we should repeat these same mistakes over & over again? Ridiculous...

[Soul]

Odds are pretty heavy?? LOL. You've got to be kidding.

 

Yes, let's destroy a human being because we all trust the mighty corporation, right?

 

Give me a break goony.

 

You have no idea the lenghts to which big business goes to before making a move like this. I do. I've seen it. It is highly unlikely that this is an unjustifiable termination. It's not worth it to them to risk the trouble. You have to go above and beyond to make a move like that.

 

And neither do you. The individual cases you have witnessed can not be blanket-applied to every situation. You know that.

[goonys evil twin]

Odds are pretty heavy?? LOL. You've got to be kidding.

 

Yes, let's destroy a human being because we all trust the mighty corporation, right?

 

Give me a break goony.

 

You have no idea the lenghts to which big business goes to before making a move like this. I do. I've seen it. It is highly unlikely that this is an unjustifiable termination. It's not worth it to them to risk the trouble. You have to go above and beyond to make a move like that.

 

And neither do you. The individual cases you have witnessed can not be blanket-applied to every situation. You know that.

 

I've seen more than just a couple cases, and I've talked at length with lawyers in the field.

[goonys evil twin]

In the US, victims information is held in private while the accused get their name and personal info aired all over the TV and internet. If the accused end up being innocent, the damage is already done. Richard Jewel is a prime example

 

Exactly. What happened to Jewel was a travesty.

 

Are we so mindless that we should repeat these same mistakes over & over again? Ridiculous...

 

Big difference discussing government and businesses. Corporations can't afford to be so careless.

 

Still, the rare Jewel case doesn't compare to the not very rare legit sexual harrassment case that goes nowhere.

[Soul]

In the US, victims information is held in private while the accused get their name and personal info aired all over the TV and internet. If the accused end up being innocent, the damage is already done. Richard Jewel is a prime example

 

Exactly. What happened to Jewel was a travesty.

 

Are we so mindless that we should repeat these same mistakes over & over again? Ridiculous...

 

Big difference discussing government and businesses. Corporations can't afford to be so careless.

 

Still, the rare Jewel case doesn't compare to the not very rare legit sexual harrassment case that goes nowhere.

 

I don't think it's as rare as you do. Just look at the recent history among celebrity cases. There have been at least 3 I can think of in the past year alone. Extrapolate to the general public and you've got more than just a odd case here & there.

 

The Jewel case involved private business----several newspapers, who took on faith that the charges against him were accurate without really checking.

 

I recognize there are too many sexual harrassment cases that go unpunished. I'm just saying there are steps to the process. Cheating due process is the exact thing that should be avoided. I'm not willing to simply "trust" that ESPN has done due diligence on their own. That's a dangerous path to go down, and is the exact reason why we have a legal process in the first place.

[Derwood]

In the US, victims information is held in private while the accused get their name and personal info aired all over the TV and internet. If the accused end up being innocent, the damage is already done. Richard Jewel is a prime example

 

Exactly. What happened to Jewel was a travesty.

 

Are we so mindless that we should repeat these same mistakes over & over again? Ridiculous...

 

Big difference discussing government and businesses. Corporations can't afford to be so careless.

 

Still, the rare Jewel case doesn't compare to the not very rare legit sexual harrassment case that goes nowhere.

 

jewel

bryant

michael jackson

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bryant

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duke students

 

Just b/c someone is found innocent, doesn't mean they are. The judicial system is far from perfect.

 

BTW (unrelated to Derwood's post) - Reynolds is the one who came forth with the reason he was fired. As far as I know, no official word came from ESPN about the reason for the termination. So they didn't drag his name through the mud.

[Caryatid]

Over-under on the number of posts before someone uses this to go on an Bill O'Reilly style rant using the phrase "political correctness" as some evidence of a great evil in the United States: 5.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

It could have been a move his good friend Clarence Thomas taught him.

 

 

:?:

 

Clarence Thomas, Anita Hill, confirmation hearings, pubic hair, can of coke, long dong silver...... any of this ring a bell?

 

I think he was barely a teenage when this happened.

 

At least Reynolds won't call this a "high-tech lynching."

 

So? I was 7 at the time and know all about my high-tech lynchings.

[abuck1220]

i can't believe people actually believe he was fired for giving a girl one innocent hug.