So Phil Rodgers thinks it is possible to trade for A-Rod...

[minnesotacubsfan]

What if we could get all three....

I know even getting one is prolly a long shot...

but just imagine how good wed bee if we had all three.

 

You and Pedro are drinking from the same Kool Aid, and its apparently spiked with Angel Dust.

 

I thought it was clear I was being facetious.

 

It was, I was just having some fun.

 

I see, and for what it's worth -- there was a little sumthin'-sumthin' in what I had for lunch.

You had a prostitute for lunch?

 

apparently named Angel Dust....

[dvdd127]

like i said.

 

Back to the topic at hand.

It would be nice to get Tejada or A-Rod. We would prolly have to give up ARam to get either of those two. If its A-rod that would be fine... because hes playing third right now... if its Tejada move him or Cedeno to third.

[RynoRules]

What if we could get all three....

I know even getting one is prolly a long shot...

but just imagine how good wed bee if we had all three.

 

You and Pedro are drinking from the same Kool Aid, and its apparently spiked with Angel Dust.

 

I thought it was clear I was being facetious.

 

It was, I was just having some fun.

 

I see, and for what it's worth -- there was a little sumthin'-sumthin' in what I had for lunch.

You had a prostitute for lunch?

 

apparently named Angel Dust....

 

I'd buy that for a dollar.

[badgercub]

like i said.

 

Back to the topic at hand.

It would be nice to get Tejada or A-Rod. We would prolly have to give up ARam to get either of those two. If its A-rod that would be fine... because hes playing third right now... if its Tejada move him or Cedeno to third.

 

The Orioles already have Mora, I am not sure ARam is a fit for them

[goonys evil twin]

like i said.

 

Back to the topic at hand.

It would be nice to get Tejada or A-Rod. We would prolly have to give up ARam to get either of those two. If its A-rod that would be fine... because hes playing third right now... if its Tejada move him or Cedeno to third.

 

The Orioles already have Mora, I am not sure ARam is a fit for them

 

ARam to Baltimore for Tejada would be a pointless trade for the Cubs. Actually, probably worse than pointless as Tejada will decline sooner.

[dvdd127]

like i said.

 

Back to the topic at hand.

It would be nice to get Tejada or A-Rod. We would prolly have to give up ARam to get either of those two. If its A-rod that would be fine... because hes playing third right now... if its Tejada move him or Cedeno to third.

 

The Orioles already have Mora, I am not sure ARam is a fit for them

 

ARam to Baltimore for Tejada would be a pointless trade for the Cubs. Actually, probably worse than pointless as Tejada will decline sooner.

the O's aren't doing much better than the Cubs are... why would it matter to Miggy?

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

like i said.

 

Back to the topic at hand.

It would be nice to get Tejada or A-Rod. We would prolly have to give up ARam to get either of those two. If its A-rod that would be fine... because hes playing third right now... if its Tejada move him or Cedeno to third.

 

The Orioles already have Mora, I am not sure ARam is a fit for them

 

ARam to Baltimore for Tejada would be a pointless trade for the Cubs. Actually, probably worse than pointless as Tejada will decline sooner.

the O's aren't doing much better than the Cubs are... why would it matter to Miggy?

 

I'm confused by your response dvdd127.

 

He's saying that it would be pointless for the Orioles to move Tejada for Aram since they don't need a third baseman.

 

When he mentioned that "Tejada will decline sooner". He was saying that it is not exactly smart from a Cubs' perspective because it is more likely Tejada will decline(performance wise) because he is getting a bit older now.

[dvdd127]

like i said.

 

Back to the topic at hand.

It would be nice to get Tejada or A-Rod. We would prolly have to give up ARam to get either of those two. If its A-rod that would be fine... because hes playing third right now... if its Tejada move him or Cedeno to third.

 

The Orioles already have Mora, I am not sure ARam is a fit for them

 

ARam to Baltimore for Tejada would be a pointless trade for the Cubs. Actually, probably worse than pointless as Tejada will decline sooner.

the O's aren't doing much better than the Cubs are... why would it matter to Miggy?

 

I'm confused by your response dvdd127.

 

He's saying that it would be pointless for the Orioles to move Tejada for Aram since they don't need a third baseman.

 

When he mentioned that "Tejada will decline sooner". He was saying that it is not exactly smart from a Cubs' perspective because it is more likely Tejada will decline(performance wise) because he is getting a bit older now.

oh ok... i missunderstood his post... I though maybe Miggy had a NTC and he was saying Miggy would not wave it to come to the Cubs.

[CubsBullsBears]

Phil Rodgers is an idiot.

[cubfan1955]

If I were GM, we'd already have Abreu, Tejada, and ARod. My only worry would be whether Bobby and Vlad could agree on who moves to left. ARod's already shown me he has no qualms with giving up his position.

 

If I had to choose, I'd take ARod.

Don't forget Beltran. Abreu in LF, Beltran in CF, Vlad in RF with ARod at 3B, Tejada at SS...and Dusty managing we'd still probably be trying to catch the Pirates for last place with a $200 million dollar payroll. :cry:

[gflore34]

While such a deal appears to intriguing, it still reeks of the all too familiar Cub MO of acquiring a star player on the downside of his career (A-Rod) for one who has his best years ahead of him (Ramirez).

[Guest]

While such a deal appears to intriguing, it still reeks of the all too familiar Cub MO of acquiring a star player on the downside of his career (A-Rod) for one who has his best years ahead of him (Ramirez).

I'm plenty willing to wager that ARod's decline will be better than ARam's peak. Especially over the next several years.

[RynoRules]

While such a deal appears to intriguing, it still reeks of the all too familiar Cub MO of acquiring a star player on the downside of his career (A-Rod) for one who has his best years ahead of him (Ramirez).

I'm plenty willing to wager that ARod's decline will be better than ARam's peak. Especially over the next several years.

 

Seconded.

 

A-Rod is one of the top five players of the last 25 years, and likely top ten all-time. If he retired today at age 30 he'd be a unanimous HOFer. Coming into this season he had a career line of .307 / .385 / .577 (largely at the SS position) and is the youngest person ever to hit 450 HRs.

 

How can you justify an argument that ARam will ever outproduce ARod?

[TheDude]

like i said.

 

Back to the topic at hand.

It would be nice to get Tejada or A-Rod. We would prolly have to give up ARam to get either of those two. If its A-rod that would be fine... because hes playing third right now... if its Tejada move him or Cedeno to third.

 

The Orioles already have Mora, I am not sure ARam is a fit for them

 

ARam to Baltimore for Tejada would be a pointless trade for the Cubs. Actually, probably worse than pointless as Tejada will decline sooner.

 

I think it would be a fine trade. If you consider production-per-position, and consider that replacing Ramirez's production at 3rd is an easier task than digging up Tejada's production at short, it makes improving the team an easier task.

 

In other words, the supply of power hitting 3rd basemen is greater than that of power hitting SS, and making a trade like that gives Hendry more options to improve this team.

 

Not saying that it would happen, but I certainly wouldn't object to it.

[goonys evil twin]

I think it would be a fine trade. If you consider production-per-position, and consider that replacing Ramirez's production at 3rd is an easier task than digging up Tejada's production at short, it makes improving the team an easier task.

 

In other words, the supply of power hitting 3rd basemen is greater than that of power hitting SS, and making a trade like that gives Hendry more options to improve this team.

 

Not saying that it would happen, but I certainly wouldn't object to it.

 

Tejada is already 30, and quite bulky. His time at SS will not, or at least should not, be long, certainly nowhere near as long as Aramis at 3B. Plus, Ramirez has been the superior hitter the past two years, and is still in his prime, while Tejada is leaving his prime and likely to decline. I don't see the Cubs finding a good enough 3B to replace him in order to take advantage of their position differences. Plus, Tejada is more expensive, and would have the option of demanding a trade or getting to go to free agency again if he is traded. At best this trade is a push near-term, but it's almost assuredly a negative long-term.

[gflore34]

While such a deal appears to intriguing, it still reeks of the all too familiar Cub MO of acquiring a star player on the downside of his career (A-Rod) for one who has his best years ahead of him (Ramirez).

I'm plenty willing to wager that ARod's decline will be better than ARam's peak. Especially over the next several years.

 

Seconded.

 

A-Rod is one of the top five players of the last 25 years, and likely top ten all-time. If he retired today at age 30 he'd be a unanimous HOFer. Coming into this season he had a career line of .307 / .385 / .577 (largely at the SS position) and is the youngest person ever to hit 450 HRs.

 

How can you justify an argument that ARam will ever outproduce ARod?

 

You guys are correct but, I've seen such deals blow up on the Cubs. However, A-Rod is rock solid, so it'd be hard to imagine him not being very productive as a Cub then again, this is the Cubs.

[TheDude]

I think it would be a fine trade. If you consider production-per-position, and consider that replacing Ramirez's production at 3rd is an easier task than digging up Tejada's production at short, it makes improving the team an easier task.

 

In other words, the supply of power hitting 3rd basemen is greater than that of power hitting SS, and making a trade like that gives Hendry more options to improve this team.

 

Not saying that it would happen, but I certainly wouldn't object to it.

 

Tejada is already 30, and quite bulky. His time at SS will not, or at least should not, be long, certainly nowhere near as long as Aramis at 3B. Plus, Ramirez has been the superior hitter the past two years, and is still in his prime, while Tejada is leaving his prime and likely to decline. I don't see the Cubs finding a good enough 3B to replace him in order to take advantage of their position differences. Plus, Tejada is more expensive, and would have the option of demanding a trade or getting to go to free agency again if he is traded. At best this trade is a push near-term, but it's almost assuredly a negative long-term.

 

I have a hard time seeing that and the numbers back it up. Tejada + average 3B production > Ramirez + Cedeno (which is the current and future solution).

 

Further, this idea that players at 30 decline significantly isn't true. For the remaining life on his contract (2.5 years), Tejada should produce the same as he is currently producing.

[goonys evil twin]

I have a hard time seeing that and the numbers back it up. Tejada + average 3B production > Ramirez + Cedeno (which is the current and future solution).

 

Further, this idea that players at 30 decline significantly isn't true. For the remaining life on his contract (2.5 years), Tejada should produce the same as he is currently producing.

 

Tejada is a career 112 OPS+ guy, with 126 and 133 the past two seasons. Ramirez is a career 106 guy, with 136 and 137 the past two years. While it is not rare for good corner men to continue on into their 30s, it is rare for middle infielders to stay at the same level at that age. ARod is not likely to be the player he was at his peak (seasons of 160, 164, 167 and 167 OPS+ in his 20's). Jeter is not likely to be the player he was at his peak (161 at 25). Nomar won't be the player he was at his peak. Banks, Ripkin, Biggio and many others. They usually end up moving positions and they all declined offensively in their early 30's from where they were at their peak.

 

If Hendry could simultaneously pull off a Ramirez/Tejada deal, and a deal that got them a solid third baseman, then that could work out nicely. But who will that 3B be? There are a limited number of players out there, and it's not like you can just order average 3B production and get it with ease.

 

FYI, the median line for SS production in MLB is .260 .320 .425, while it's .287 .354 .469 for 3B. So yes, you should be able to get a little more production, but will that be offset by the greater dollar figures spent to get that production, seeing as how Tejada is more expensive than Ramirez and you will have to give up money and/or talent to get that new 3B. And who will this 3B be.