Cedeno Regressing

[BigbadB]

I don't think Cedeno looks lost at plate, just frustrated . Last night against Roger future-hall-of-famer-living-baseball-legend Clemens he put a lot good swings on the ball. Lots of fouled off pitches. His trouble with Clemens was the shoulder high fastball, but Clemens has half the league swinging at that pitch.

 

The trouble he is having is count related. I find Cedeno in more 0-2 counts than any other Cub hitter. But, pitchers are throwing strikes to him as well. If he doesn't swing at those first two pitches, odds are pretty high the count is still 0-2, maybe 1-1, because pitchers are challenging him in and around the strike zone.

 

Everytime I watched Cedeno take a close borderline pitch the last two weeks (usually the first pitch on the inside or outside corner), it was called a strike. If he swings at it because it's a strike, he will get criticized for not being patient. If he takes it, he's down in the count and in trouble already.

 

He might have it in his head right now that the strike zone is big, and that all corners and corners+ pitches are strikes, so when he gets 0-2 or 1-2, he feels he has to swing.

 

The season is lost. Let the kid try to work it out.

 

I agree with most of this. He looks really frustrated out there.

 

I agree as well. Wouldn't it be nice, if just once one of our rookie hitters improved as they got more playing time, rather than regress. It's very hard not to point fingers at the coaching staff when the youngsters come up and look more lost than when they first arrived.

 

Isn't it the coaching staff's job to do something to remove that lost look on a rookies face?

[Irrelevant Dude]

Recently Ronny Cedeno has looked completely lost, both at the plate and in the field. His performance has been really disappointing considering the promising start to the season. I'm torn on this one because I really think he needs to sit down for a few games, but that would mean more starts for Neifi. What does everyone think the Cubs should do at SS, both for this season and next?

 

Matt Murton on the other hand should be playing every day, but we can see how well that's going...

 

I'm not saying that you posted it or anything, but I really seem to recall a "Matt Murton is regressing" thread, or something similar. Might just need to the let the guy fight his way out of it, ya know? What's to lose this season? No reason to sit him at all IMO.

 

I didn't post that about Murton, but I think with him it was just a different feeling. Even when Murton was slumping, I always felt that he was a good hitter and it was only a matter of time for him to fight through it... With Cedeno I'm not so sure that this is something he can fight through.

[cubfan1955]

I don't think Cedeno looks lost at plate, just frustrated . Last night against Roger future-hall-of-famer-living-baseball-legend Clemens he put a lot good swings on the ball. Lots of fouled off pitches. His trouble with Clemens was the shoulder high fastball, but Clemens has half the league swinging at that pitch.

 

The trouble he is having is count related. I find Cedeno in more 0-2 counts than any other Cub hitter. But, pitchers are throwing strikes to him as well. If he doesn't swing at those first two pitches, odds are pretty high the count is still 0-2, maybe 1-1, because pitchers are challenging him in and around the strike zone.

 

Everytime I watched Cedeno take a close borderline pitch the last two weeks (usually the first pitch on the inside or outside corner), it was called a strike. If he swings at it because it's a strike, he will get criticized for not being patient. If he takes it, he's down in the count and in trouble already.

 

He might have it in his head right now that the strike zone is big, and that all corners and corners+ pitches are strikes, so when he gets 0-2 or 1-2, he feels he has to swing.

 

The season is lost. Let the kid try to work it out.

 

I agree with most of this. He looks really frustrated out there.

 

I agree as well. Wouldn't it be nice, if just once one of our rookie hitters improved as they got more playing time, rather than regress. It's very hard not to point fingers at the coaching staff when the youngsters come up and look more lost than when they first arrived.

 

Isn't it the coaching staff's job to do something to remove that lost look on a rookies face?

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[CUBZ99]

I don't think Cedeno looks lost at plate, just frustrated . Last night against Roger future-hall-of-famer-living-baseball-legend Clemens he put a lot good swings on the ball. Lots of fouled off pitches. His trouble with Clemens was the shoulder high fastball, but Clemens has half the league swinging at that pitch.

 

The trouble he is having is count related. I find Cedeno in more 0-2 counts than any other Cub hitter. But, pitchers are throwing strikes to him as well. If he doesn't swing at those first two pitches, odds are pretty high the count is still 0-2, maybe 1-1, because pitchers are challenging him in and around the strike zone.

 

Everytime I watched Cedeno take a close borderline pitch the last two weeks (usually the first pitch on the inside or outside corner), it was called a strike. If he swings at it because it's a strike, he will get criticized for not being patient. If he takes it, he's down in the count and in trouble already.

 

He might have it in his head right now that the strike zone is big, and that all corners and corners+ pitches are strikes, so when he gets 0-2 or 1-2, he feels he has to swing.

 

The season is lost. Let the kid try to work it out.

 

I agree with most of this. He looks really frustrated out there.

 

I agree as well. Wouldn't it be nice, if just once one of our rookie hitters improved as they got more playing time, rather than regress. It's very hard not to point fingers at the coaching staff when the youngsters come up and look more lost than when they first arrived.

 

Isn't it the coaching staff's job to do something to remove that lost look on a rookies face?

BINGO!!! Post of the CENTURY!

 

You got to have a youngster that can play before you put the blame on the coaching staff. Niefi-lite had what.... 1 - 2good years in the minors? Lets face it, the Cubs can't develop position players very well.

[goonys evil twin]

You got to have a youngster that can play before you put the blame on the coaching staff. Niefi-lite had what.... 1 - 2good years in the minors? Lets face it, the Cubs can't develop position players very well.

 

The coaches have to take some responsibility for the development. Sure, it's on the back end, but they still have to do something.

[Magnetic Curses]

You got to have a youngster that can play before you put the blame on the coaching staff. Niefi-lite had what.... 1 - 2good years in the minors? Lets face it, the Cubs can't develop position players very well.

 

The coaches have to take some responsibility for the development. Sure, it's on the back end, but they still have to do something.

 

when you have clines telling cedeno to "just be more aggressive" you aren't doing the kid any favors, clines needs to go soon. cedeno had at lkeast shown some kind of patience in the minors before getting to the big club.

 

that said, i'd be okay with the cubs trading for izturis and dumping cedeno back to AAA--only if a guy like freel was brought ion at second. i'm not of the stone belief that an izturis-cedeno middle infield is the answer to the cubs' problems.

[CUBZ99]

You got to have a youngster that can play before you put the blame on the coaching staff. Niefi-lite had what.... 1 - 2good years in the minors? Lets face it, the Cubs can't develop position players very well.

 

The coaches have to take some responsibility for the development. Sure, it's on the back end, but they still have to do something.

 

I agree, but the position prospects coming out of the system right now are more suited for bench support. They should do a better job at identifying talent and slotting that talent in a role they can succeed in.

[goonys evil twin]

i'm not of the stone belief that an izturis-cedeno middle infield is the answer to the cubs' problems.

 

The only answer to the Cubs problems is more impact bats. They can deal with mediocrity in the middle infielf if they have 6 other solid bats, including some stud in the OF.

[Magnetic Curses]

i'm not of the stone belief that an izturis-cedeno middle infield is the answer to the cubs' problems.

 

The only answer to the Cubs problems is more impact bats. They can deal with mediocrity in the middle infielf if they have 6 other solid bats, including some stud in the OF.

 

there's too many players that can offer solid production at second, though, it's not like they're hard to find. there's one on the roster right now.

[TheDude]

You got to have a youngster that can play before you put the blame on the coaching staff. Niefi-lite had what.... 1 - 2good years in the minors? Lets face it, the Cubs can't develop position players very well.

 

Short-stops are notorious for slower development. If you really want to see what Ronny Cedeno is capable of in the big leagues, evaluate him at the end of next year.

 

I think he might develop into a lighter Michael Young calibur SS. Look at Young's first 900 ABs in the big leagues - you are going to find Cedeno-esque production (though admittedly with a higher OPS if Ronny doesn't get back to the high .600s/low .700s by season's end). Ronny makes excellent contact with the ball and has a solid stroke.

 

Alternatively, he might forever be an average SS.

 

The only way we're going to know is to let the kid play and quit touting a short leash. I mean - Dusty Baker is letting this kid play everyday, which ordinarily opens eyes anyway. Now that a young player is finally getting the chance, let him have the chance.

[BigbadB]

I agree with letting Cedeno have the chance. But, if an opportunity arises that would net Tejada or A-Rod, I'd part with Cedeno faster than you can say his name.

 

The Cubs don't have the time to sit there and wait for someone to develop. They could if (as Goony stated in his last post) if they had studs at all other positions on the field. However, that's not likely to happen. The Cubs need to be willing to add whatever impact bats are available (outside of 1b and possibly C).

[dalgreen]

I'm still trying to figure out if Cedeno is taking his defense to the plate or his offense to the field. I think in the end he'll be all right. Remember, going back the beginning of 2005, I don't think it was the Cubs' first plan to go with Cedeno in 2006, perhaps 2007, but not 2006. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if some of you who are disappointed in Cedeno are the same people who were screaming at Hendry not to trade Prior for Tejada.

 

I don't understand why some of you think we have to have eight stud offensive players to be good. Look at the Cardinals, they haven't had offensive production from the catcher's position since Pagnozzi. And this year, don't have good power numbers from the outfield spots. Same thing last year when Rolen, Walker and Sanders were hurt. Having the best hitter on the planet will help any lineup, but Pujols isn't coming to the Cubs. If you have OBP guys and add one or two more OPS guys, our offensive problems should be cured.

[BigbadB]

In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if some of you who are disappointed in Cedeno are the same people who were screaming at Hendry not to trade Prior for Tejada.

 

Yep, I'm one of those people. However, I also was not a fan of going mediocre in RF and starting Murton AND Cedeno everyday. And I was against bringing Pierre. My thought process was something along the lines of Giles in RF, Lofton/Patterson/Bradley in CF, Aubrey Huff platooning with Murton. With that kind of depth and production in the outfield, Cedeno would probably have been alright at SS.