LOCK ME (6) Van Halen vs. (11) Lynyrd Skynyrd

[Derwood]

vote for your fav Edited July 13, 2006 by Derwood

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Oh, how I hate Skynyrd.

[Derwood]

Oh, how I hate Skynyrd.

 

agreed. It's sad that Neil Young (a Canadian) writes better southern rock than Skynyrd.

[OleMissCub]

I voted Van Halen as "Van Roth", not "Van Hagar".

 

Now...my diatribe about Lynyrd Skynyrd begins.... The original LS was a very good rock'n'roll band, with several classics such as "Sweet Home Alabama" and "Free Bird", which even though i've heard "free bird" a million times, it still has a rocking ending. But I digress...LS also had some other songs that weren't so popular but I think are much better than their classics, such as "Tuesday's Gone" and "Simple Man". The band Lynyrd Skynyrd CEASED TO EXIST outside of McComb, Mississippi when their plane crashed, killing their lead singer and their co-lead guitar player, among others. The drummer, who survived, was so shaken up by the incident that he quit drumming for them. The surviving guitar player was soon afterwards in a wreck, which ultimately claimed his life.

 

Thus, after a few years, the only original members left were the bass player and piano player. YET, they tried to continue on by enlisting several ghouls to try and take the place of the original members, such as lead singer Van Zandt's little brother. These fools have been masquerading around for 20 years now, billed as "Lynyrd Skynyrd", wherein reality it was just the piano player and the bass player (who is now deceased)...yet they STILL go on. The fat piano player always goes on and on about how "we are doing this for the boys...to keep the music alive...bla bla bla" BS, you are simply a money whore! THE Lynyrd Skynyrd band CEASED TO EXIST in October, 1977. It just really pisses me off that bands are allowed to masquerade around as something which they are not.

 

The original Lynyrd Skynyrd were some redneck boys from Florida who blended blues, soul, and rock'n'roll together to make some dang good music. The modern Lynyrd Skynyrd are just rednecks. Whenever I see them on tour it pisses me off to no end.

 

End Rant.

[goonys evil twin]

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[cubweiser03]

This is a tough one, i like both.

 

And yes ole miss i right on. When i think of Skynyrd its the Ronnie VanZandt days i dont listen to the other rubbish.

 

"Am I Losin'.....I dont know Ronnie, so far its not looking so good.

 

Im going with the Triple Guitar Threat over the one man guitar show here. DLR is a great frontman dispite being the biggest jerk in rock.

[soccer10k]

Oh, how I hate Skynyrd.

 

agreed. It's sad that Neil Young (a Canadian) writes better southern rock than Skynyrd.

 

Well I heard mister Young sing about her

Well, I heard ole Neil put her down

Well, I hope Neil Young will remember

A Southern man don't need him around anyhow

 

 

 

Nuff said.

[Derwood]

Oh, how I hate Skynyrd.

 

agreed. It's sad that Neil Young (a Canadian) writes better southern rock than Skynyrd.

 

Well I heard mister Young sing about her

Well, I heard ole Neil put her down

Well, I hope Neil Young will remember

A Southern man don't need him around anyhow

 

 

 

Nuff said.

 

As Ole Miss said, they were from Florida, not Alabama.

[soccer10k]

Oh, how I hate Skynyrd.

 

agreed. It's sad that Neil Young (a Canadian) writes better southern rock than Skynyrd.

 

Well I heard mister Young sing about her

Well, I heard ole Neil put her down

Well, I hope Neil Young will remember

A Southern man don't need him around anyhow

 

 

 

Nuff said.

 

As Ole Miss said, they were from Florida, not Alabama.

 

And as you said, Neil Young is from Canada.

[goonys evil twin]

And as you said, Neil Young is from Canada.

 

And so he can't criticize anybody?

[series65cubsfan]

I have to say that this was the hardest vote so far for me to cast. Both have been very influential in my musical tastes and desire to want to play guitar. However, in the end, Lynyrd Skynyrd gets the vote.

[soccer10k]

And as you said, Neil Young is from Canada.

 

And so he can't criticize anybody?

 

Why don't you look at the whole conversation. Both Neil Young and Lynyrd Skynyrd are known as southern rock bands. I quoted Sweet Home Alabama and Derwood said Skynyrd are from Florida. I responded with the quote you see above. I didn't say Young can't criticize anybody so I'm not quite sure where you pulled that one out of. My point was at least Skynyrd is from the South (Florida) while Young (Canada) is not. That's it.

[Tracer Bullet]

And as you said, Neil Young is from Canada.

 

And so he can't criticize anybody?

 

Why don't you look at the whole conversation. Both Neil Young and Lynyrd Skynyrd are known as southern rock bands. I quoted Sweet Home Alabama and Derwood said Skynyrd are from Florida. I responded with the quote you see above. I didn't say Young can't criticize anybody so I'm not quite sure where you pulled that one out of. My point was at least Skynyrd is from the South (Florida) while Young (Canada) is not. That's it.

 

That's a confusing argument you're making. You use a quote from a group from Florida that's saying that a better musician can't criticize a state other than Florida. Then you say "Nuff said" as if somehow this quote ends the discussion. I've read the whole conversation and I'm thoroughly confused by your logic.

[soccer10k]

And as you said, Neil Young is from Canada.

 

And so he can't criticize anybody?

 

Why don't you look at the whole conversation. Both Neil Young and Lynyrd Skynyrd are known as southern rock bands. I quoted Sweet Home Alabama and Derwood said Skynyrd are from Florida. I responded with the quote you see above. I didn't say Young can't criticize anybody so I'm not quite sure where you pulled that one out of. My point was at least Skynyrd is from the South (Florida) while Young (Canada) is not. That's it.

 

That's a confusing argument you're making. You use a quote from a group from Florida that's saying that a better musician can't criticize a state other than Florida. Then you say "Nuff said" as if somehow this quote ends the discussion. I've read the whole conversation and I'm thoroughly confused by your logic.

 

I said "Nuff said" to make my point about my vote. I quoted that part of the song because of the Neil Young reference by Derwood and not to start an argument.

 

You think Neil Young is a better musician and I think Lynyrd Skynyrd is better and that's opinion so your bolded quote isn't fact but opinion.

 

I don't think my argument is confusing. Neil Young is not truly from the south but Skynyrd is. That's it.

[cubweiser03]

If the song was Sweet Home Florida i dont think it was have the catchy tune to it. Its about the south, not necessarily Alabama. Singing the words sweet home florida songs stupid. Im not certain but i bet they substiuted Alabama just because it sounds better.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Well Jimmy moved in with his mother

Cuz he ain't got no place to go

 

And now I'm right back in the gutter

With a garbage bag that's full of clothes

 

Cuz you livin' home in a trailer

What the hell you gonna do?

 

Yehaw I live at home in a trailer

Mom, I'm comin' home to you

[OleMissCub]

If the song was Sweet Home Florida i dont think it was have the catchy tune to it. Its about the south, not necessarily Alabama. Singing the words sweet home florida songs stupid. Im not certain but i bet they substiuted Alabama just because it sounds better.

 

Whenever that song was played at Ole Miss bars or parties, we always changed the chorus from "Sweet home Alabama, Lord i'm coming home to you" to "Go to hell Alabama, LSU sucks too"

[Tracer Bullet]

And as you said, Neil Young is from Canada.

 

And so he can't criticize anybody?

 

Why don't you look at the whole conversation. Both Neil Young and Lynyrd Skynyrd are known as southern rock bands. I quoted Sweet Home Alabama and Derwood said Skynyrd are from Florida. I responded with the quote you see above. I didn't say Young can't criticize anybody so I'm not quite sure where you pulled that one out of. My point was at least Skynyrd is from the South (Florida) while Young (Canada) is not. That's it.

 

That's a confusing argument you're making. You use a quote from a group from Florida that's saying that a better musician can't criticize a state other than Florida. Then you say "Nuff said" as if somehow this quote ends the discussion. I've read the whole conversation and I'm thoroughly confused by your logic.

 

I said "Nuff said" to make my point about my vote. I quoted that part of the song because of the Neil Young reference by Derwood and not to start an argument.

 

You think Neil Young is a better musician and I think Lynyrd Skynyrd is better and that's opinion so your bolded quote isn't fact but opinion.

 

I don't think my argument is confusing. Neil Young is not truly from the south but Skynyrd is. That's it.

 

I never claimed to be stating fact when I said Young was better, it's pretty clear that my feelings about the quality of various musicians are opinion. So I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by bolding that.

 

Otherwise, I guess I apologize for misunderstanding your post. Given what you quoted from Derwood, it sure seemed like you were using "nuff said" to end the discussion about Young v Skynyrd.

[Derwood]

Oh, how I hate Skynyrd.

 

agreed. It's sad that Neil Young (a Canadian) writes better southern rock than Skynyrd.

 

Well I heard mister Young sing about her

Well, I heard ole Neil put her down

Well, I hope Neil Young will remember

A Southern man don't need him around anyhow

 

 

 

Nuff said.

 

As Ole Miss said, they were from Florida, not Alabama.

 

And as you said, Neil Young is from Canada.

 

Yes, but Young didn't write a song that was clearly a lie. A bunch of guys from Floria writing a song about their sweet home in Alabama is, to me, a complete marketing ploy to get rednecks to like your music. And since true southerners don't consider Florida a southern state....

[frostwyrm]

DLR era Van Halen was the shiznit. Too bad all their stuff is so horribly overplayed, but they have my vote nonetheless.

[OleMissCub]

Yes, but Young didn't write a song that was clearly a lie. A bunch of guys from Floria writing a song about their sweet home in Alabama is, to me, a complete marketing ploy to get rednecks to like your music. And since true southerners don't consider Florida a southern state....

 

I BEG to differ on the "Sweet Home Alabama" bit. Do you think that "Penny Lane" or "Strawbery Fields Forever" were marketing ploys trying to get Liverpudlians to like the Beatles? No, they were songs about growing up in a place that they loved and remembered fondly. I feel that "SWA" is the same thing. Southerners are very "dixie-centric" and are generally proud of it. It doesn't strike me as odd or clever at all to write a song about it....Southerners have been writing songs and novels about the South for centuries.

 

I would argue that historically southerners feel/felt that Florida was a southern state...they did fight for the Confederacy afterall. But I certainly don't think of the current "Dixie" to be including Florida.

[cubweiser03]

And to go further on SWA. It was in response to Mr Young's "Southern Man" and "Alabama" songs. I was aware about the response to "Southern Man" but not "Alabama" bit.

 

I just found this quote from Ronnie....

"We thought Neil was shooting all the ducks in order to kill one or two," Ronnie told Rolling Stone magazine regarding the creation of the answer song. The band felt that Young's lyrical content was representative of the shortsighted "Yankee" belief that all Southern men should be held accountable for the verbalizations and actions of a racist minority.

[TruffleShuffle]

I just found this quote from Ronnie....

"We thought Neil was shooting all the ducks in order to kill one or two," Ronnie told Rolling Stone magazine regarding the creation of the answer song. The band felt that Young's lyrical content was representative of the shortsighted "Yankee" belief that all Southern men should be held accountable for the verbalizations and actions of a racist minority.

 

Which begs the question of whether it really was a minority that was racist at that time, or whether those who were not racist did anything to speak out against or to stop those who were racist.

[MustangMike]

vote for your fav

 

I hate Van Halen more than I really like Skynyrd

[cubweiser03]

I just found this quote from Ronnie....

"We thought Neil was shooting all the ducks in order to kill one or two," Ronnie told Rolling Stone magazine regarding the creation of the answer song. The band felt that Young's lyrical content was representative of the shortsighted "Yankee" belief that all Southern men should be held accountable for the verbalizations and actions of a racist minority.

 

Which begs the question of whether it really was a minority that was racist at that time, or whether those who were not racist did anything to speak out against or to stop those who were racist.

 

Whoa this is getting too deep for me. I just like to drink beer while i listen to Skynyrd. :wink:

 

Am i the only one who likes 'both' Van Halen's? Its seems the people ive talked to about VH its an 'either or' thing. I like Van Roth better but i still enjoy the songs from 5150 and OU812.

 

Van Halen brothers are great, Alex doesnt get the limelight of his brother but i like his style.