Trading Maddux?

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I know that Maddux does not have a NTC; however, it is customary that a player of his stature would be asked to approve a trade NTC or not.

 

That being said, who could the Cubs receive in return for Maddux. Based on what I've heard he might be willing to accept an offer to a west coast team. In particular, the Dodgers or the Diamondbacks. But, the Dodgers name keeps popping up.

 

I'm terrible at figuring trades, but I think one component of a trade to the Dodgers should include Andre Eithier coming to the Cubs. He was drafted as a centerfielder, but has been playing left for the Dodgers.

 

Now I'm not sure if the Dodgers would be interested in Pierre along with Maddux, if so, a trade like this might get Eithier and good prospect.

 

What is their closer situation like? I believe Danny Baez has been their closer with Gagne on the DL. Would they be interested in Dempster?

 

What about middle relief? Would they be interested?

 

Trade proposal 1:

 

To the Dodgers:

Maddux/Pierre

 

To the Cubs:

Andre Eithier/prospect(other than Billingsly)

 

OR

 

Trade Proposal 2:

 

To the Dodgers:

Maddux/Pierre/Middle Reliever OR Dempster

 

To the Cubs:

Andre Eithier and Billingsly

 

 

Note: Please be kind in your responses. I'm new to this.

 

 

 

 

:D

[CubsBullsBears]

Mad Dog/Pierre/Dempster in exchange for breaking Furcal's wrist (joke) and Game Over

[cbbryan]

I'd love to get Either, but I don't know that the Dodger's would trade him. They traded Milton Bradley straight up for him if I recall correctly. While Bradley isn't ManRam, he is still ML talent traded straight up for minor league talent.

 

I think the Dodger's are pretty high on him.

 

I was also under the impression that Maddux did have a NTC? And that Hendry has a gentleman's agreement not to trade him? I may not have this correct though.

 

One last thing, if the Cubs trade for any YOUNG arms............... Dusty must be gone first.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I'd love to get Either, but I don't know that the Dodger's would trade him. They traded Milton Bradley straight up for him if I recall correctly. While Bradley isn't ManRam, he is still ML talent traded straight up for minor league talent.

 

I think the Dodger's are pretty high on him.

 

I was also under the impression that Maddux did have a NTC? And that Hendry has a gentleman's agreement not to trade him? I may not have this correct though.

 

One last thing, if the Cubs trade for any YOUNG arms............... Dusty must be gone first.

 

 

I was hoping to maybe get Eithier under the idea that they would give him up if the deal was right because they want to win now. I have no idea if it would be possible.

 

Maddux doesn't have a NTC according to Cot's. But, maybe Maddux would agree to a trade west.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Every team in the NL West could potentially be looking for help come the trade deadline, with all 5 teams. What could we send there to help set us up for next year?

 

Would Pierre and Jones net us Hawpe or Holliday?

 

Would we be able to send Eyre back to SF? What would we want in return?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Maddux and Williamson to the Diamondbacks for Carlos Gonzalez.

[YearofDaCubs]

LA wouldn't give squat for Maddux. Let's face it Maddux sucks and we would be lucky to get a midlevel prospect out of it but there's no way we get a top prospect for him.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

LA wouldn't give squat for Maddux. Let's face it Maddux sucks and we would be lucky to get a midlevel prospect out of it but there's no way we get a top prospect for him.

 

Maddux's problem is that he gives up the big home run. He still demonstrates some masterful pitches. But, he just makes more mistakes than he used to. Granted this is not good when you pitch at Wrigley and the wind is blowing out (about half the time) or even if the wind is still.

 

Dodger Stadium is a place he might be able to get away with some mistakes. They wouldn't necesarily go for home runs. At least not at night. The day games are more lively, but they mainly play at night. He would face mostly NL west opponents and could feel secure pitching in SD and SF(because he doesn't give up many homers to right field). Granted Colorado would be an adventure. He could possibly struggle in Arizone also.

 

It might be worth the gamble to the Dodgers. They have an upset fanbase because they did not make the playoffs last year in a weak NL west. This year's NL West is repeating itself. They probably don't want to miss the playoffs again. They can afford to give up prospects because they can always go out and sign free agents with no concern for cost.

 

Like I said to get anything it would be a package that includes Maddux. And I wouldn't necesarily write off the Dodgers as not being interested or unwilling to give anyone up because there have been many reports saying they would be interested. There has to be some validity if different people/outlets are reporting it. I'm not saying it would happened, but it sounds like they would definitely take the call if not make the call themselves.

[YearofDaCubs]

LA wouldn't give squat for Maddux. Let's face it Maddux sucks and we would be lucky to get a midlevel prospect out of it but there's no way we get a top prospect for him.

 

Maddux's problem is that he gives up the big home run. He still demonstrates some masterful pitches. But, he just makes more mistakes than he used to. Granted this is not good when you pitch at Wrigley and the wind is blowing out (about half the time) or even if the wind is still.

 

Dodger Stadium is a place he might be able to get away with some mistakes. They wouldn't necesarily go for home runs. At least not at night. The day games are more lively, but they mainly play at night. He would face mostly NL west opponents and could feel secure pitching in SD and SF(because he doesn't give up many homers to right field). Granted Colorado would be an adventure. He could possibly struggle in Arizone also.

 

It might be worth the gamble to the Dodgers. They have an upset fanbase because they did not make the playoffs last year in a weak NL west. This year's NL West is repeating itself. They probably don't want to miss the playoffs again. They can afford to give up prospects because they can always go out and sign free agents with no concern for cost.

 

Like I said to get anything it would be a package that includes Maddux. And I wouldn't necesarily write off the Dodgers as not being interested or unwilling to give anyone up because there have been many reports saying they would be interested. There has to be some validity if different people/outlets are reporting it. I'm not saying it would happened, but it sounds like they would definitely take the call if not make the call themselves.

I hope you're right and hopefully that's exactly how it turns out.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Never underestimate GM's jonesing to get a veteran starting pitcher with post season experience.

[Balsa]

If there's no demand for Maddux, I'd just as soon he'd finish out the year rather than throw him away for mid-level prospects. I know it's sentimental, but in a lost season I can't help it.

[Tracer Bullet]

I was also under the impression that Maddux did have a NTC? And that Hendry has a gentleman's agreement not to trade him? I may not have this correct though.

 

Maddux's contract does not include a NTC. But Hendry & Maddux have a handshake agreement that Hendry won't trade him w/o Maddux's consent.

 

I don't have a link, but I've seen it in almost every Chicago paper at some point this season. If Bruce comes by, maybe he can confirm.

[Larry Horse]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/cubs/cst-spt-cubnt05.html

[Tracer Bullet]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/cubs/cst-spt-cubnt05.html

 

Thanks.

 

No discussions have gotten serious between general manager Jim Hendry and any of those clubs, and if they do, Hendry has an agreement with Maddux that he will talk to him about possible deals to see if Maddux would approve a certain trade.

[CuseCubFan69]

I have always respected Hendry for keeping his word to players.

 

I think the guys with the most value that can be traded are the middle relief guys Howry and Eyre. IMO teams really overpay for those types of players.

[Tracer Bullet]

I have always respected Hendry for keeping his word to players.

 

I think the guys with the most value that can be traded are the middle relief guys Howry and Eyre. IMO teams really overpay for those types of players.

 

I agree. But if JH thinks we'll turn around quickly & compete in '07, he'll probably want both of those guys.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing Maddux & Dempster (among many others) traded though. Teams love veteran SP and I'd like him to deal now when there are a lot of teams who have a shot at the playoffs (thus more bidders). Teams also love "proven" closers. I don't think Dempster has proven much w/ just one season of work, but if someone will value him as a "proven" closer - I deal him now.

[CuseCubFan69]

I have always respected Hendry for keeping his word to players.

 

I think the guys with the most value that can be traded are the middle relief guys Howry and Eyre. IMO teams really overpay for those types of players.

 

I agree. But if JH thinks we'll turn around quickly & compete in '07, he'll probably want both of those guys.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing Maddux & Dempster (among many others) traded though. Teams love veteran SP and I'd like him to deal now when there are a lot of teams who have a shot at the playoffs (thus more bidders). Teams also love "proven" closers. I don't think Dempster has proven much w/ just one season of work, but if someone will value him as a "proven" closer - I deal him now.

 

Yes indeed....if Dempster is considered a closer by the right team a nice haul could be made by Hendry. I think Maddux needs the perfect situation and I think he would be a tough move by the Cubs because of all the circumstances that would go with trading him. What teams need a closer?

[CubsBullsBears]

I have always respected Hendry for keeping his word to players.

 

I think the guys with the most value that can be traded are the middle relief guys Howry and Eyre. IMO teams really overpay for those types of players.

Don't trade them unless we get a really, really, really good offer. These are 2 guys I want on my team in 2007. And to the White Sox and Cardinals, they should be 100% off-limits.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The Dodgers aren't going to be interested in Pierre. They already have Furcal and Lofton to lead off. And they have an OF of Drew, Lofton, Ethier, Cruz Jr. and Kemp.

 

Middle relief/closer will definitely interest them. Dempster, Eyre, Howry or maybe even Williamson should really intrigue the Dodgers.

 

And the Dodgers won't give up Ethier for Maddux.

[Sammy Sofa]

I have always respected Hendry for keeping his word to players.

 

I think the guys with the most value that can be traded are the middle relief guys Howry and Eyre. IMO teams really overpay for those types of players.

Don't trade them unless we get a really, really, really good offer. These are 2 guys I want on my team in 2007. And to the White Sox and Cardinals, they should be 100% off-limits.

 

Please give us one good, legitimate reason that makes sense to anyone beyond puberty.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I have always respected Hendry for keeping his word to players.

 

I think the guys with the most value that can be traded are the middle relief guys Howry and Eyre. IMO teams really overpay for those types of players.

Don't trade them unless we get a really, really, really good offer. These are 2 guys I want on my team in 2007. And to the White Sox and Cardinals, they should be 100% off-limits.

 

Please give us one good, legitimate reason that makes sense to anyone beyond puberty.

 

No, please don't. Let sleeping dogs lie.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I have always respected Hendry for keeping his word to players.

 

I think the guys with the most value that can be traded are the middle relief guys Howry and Eyre. IMO teams really overpay for those types of players.

Don't trade them unless we get a really, really, really good offer. These are 2 guys I want on my team in 2007. And to the White Sox and Cardinals, they should be 100% off-limits.

 

Please give us one good, legitimate reason that makes sense to anyone beyond puberty.

 

No, please don't. Let sleeping dogs lie.

 

Yeah, we don't need that in this thread too.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

The Dodgers aren't going to be interested in Pierre. They already have Furcal and Lofton to lead off. And they have an OF of Drew, Lofton, Ethier, Cruz Jr. and Kemp.

 

Middle relief/closer will definitely interest them. Dempster, Eyre, Howry or maybe even Williamson should really intrigue the Dodgers.

 

And the Dodgers won't give up Ethier for Maddux.

 

Eithier was part of the trade. Lofton was injured yesterday and removed from the game. I'm not sure how bad it is though.

 

Plus, if they need a new centerfielder for next year this gives them a in with Pierre. Lofton was only signed for this year and I don't know if they want him again due to his age.

 

I think most teams would want Pierre over Cruz Jr.

 

Kemp is more of a corner outfielder?

 

So the outfield would be RF Drew, CF Pierre. and LF Kemp. And Cruz Jr. off the bench.

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

I have always respected Hendry for keeping his word to players.

 

I think the guys with the most value that can be traded are the middle relief guys Howry and Eyre. IMO teams really overpay for those types of players.

Don't trade them unless we get a really, really, really good offer. These are 2 guys I want on my team in 2007. And to the White Sox and Cardinals, they should be 100% off-limits.

 

Please give us one good, legitimate reason that makes sense to anyone beyond puberty.

 

No, please don't. Let sleeping dogs lie.

 

Yeah, we don't need that in this thread too.

 

Please don't derail my thread. :lol:

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The Dodgers aren't going to be interested in Pierre. They already have Furcal and Lofton to lead off. And they have an OF of Drew, Lofton, Ethier, Cruz Jr. and Kemp.

 

Middle relief/closer will definitely interest them. Dempster, Eyre, Howry or maybe even Williamson should really intrigue the Dodgers.

 

And the Dodgers won't give up Ethier for Maddux.

 

Eithier was part of the trade. Lofton was injured yesterday and removed from the game. I'm not sure how bad it is though.

 

Plus, if they need a new centerfielder for next year this gives them a in with Pierre. Lofton was only signed for this year and I don't know if they want him again due to his age.

 

I think most teams would want Pierre over Cruz Jr.

 

Kemp is more of a corner outfielder?

 

So the outfield would be RF Drew, CF Pierre. and LF Kemp. And Cruz Jr. off the bench.

 

I was at yesterday's game, I'd be shocked if Lofton misses much time over that injury.

 

My main point is Ethier isn't going anywhere for Pierre/Maddux. Thus, the Dodgers will still have an overflow of OFs and won't need Pierre.

 

Kemp will be fine in CF for now, and the Dodgers will probably play him there as long as JD Drew is in RF (eventually, Kemp will have to move to RF - long-term he's a corner OF, for now he can handle CF).