7/3 Astros (Cy Clemens) vs. Marmol (and crap) 7:05 CSN

[Schwarber Fan]

WORST CALL IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

 

I'm not so sure. I don't think its clear even from the replay that Ronny got the bag with his foot.

 

The point is, players get the call lots of times even if their foot never gets within a 10 inch radius of the bag.

 

That was never the point.

 

I quoted the wrong post :lol:

 

I meant to quote texascub's post about the FSN SW replays.

 

Players might get that call from time to time, but you certainly can't rely on always getting that call. It's called fundamentals; if you get your foot clearly on the bag, you don't even need to worry about which way the call is going to go.

 

Well I think it's obvious that most shortstops or second basemen turning the DP are more concentrated on getting the throw to first rather than stepping of second.

 

And rightfully so because fundamentals are things that should come 2nd nature by the time you reach the big leagues. He needs to know where he is on the field and be able to make the play. I'd expect a big league SS/2B to know how to find the bag without looking for it, and be able to pick up the runner and his target as he's moving.

 

I just don't think the players turning the DP actually EVER think about hitting second, and the runner is rarely called safe at 2nd as he was today.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Lamb flied out to left field , runner holding

[JC]

I'd rather still have Farnsworth.

 

i'd rather have wuertz. or farnsworth.

 

Or Aardsma.

 

I pass on Aardsma. He and Novoa are interchangeable. Straight, fast junk.

[Blueheart05]

watch Dusty double switch Neifi into the game...

 

nope

[texascub]

WORST CALL IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

 

I'm not so sure. I don't think its clear even from the replay that Ronny got the bag with his foot.

 

The point is, players get the call lots of times even if their foot never gets within a 10 inch radius of the bag.

 

That was never the point.

 

I quoted the wrong post :lol:

 

I meant to quote texascub's post about the FSN SW replays.

 

Players might get that call from time to time, but you certainly can't rely on always getting that call. It's called fundamentals; if you get your foot clearly on the bag, you don't even need to worry about which way the call is going to go.

 

Well I think it's obvious that most shortstops or second basemen turning the DP are more concentrated on getting the throw to first rather than stepping of second.

 

And rightfully so because fundamentals are things that should come 2nd nature by the time you reach the big leagues. He needs to know where he is on the field and be able to make the play. I'd expect a big league SS/2B to know how to find the bag without looking for it, and be able to pick up the runner and his target as he's moving.

 

I just don't think the players turning the DP actually EVER think about hitting second, and the runner is rarely called safe at 2nd as he was today.

 

That's what I'm trying to get at; by the time he gets here he shouldn't need to think about it, it should just come as 2nd nature.

[JC]

watch Dusty double switch Neifi into the game...

 

nope

 

Neifi must be tied up working out an extension with Jim Hendry in the clubhouse.

[Blueheart05]

Oh Man

[RonnieWooWooSanto]

Oh Mannnnnnnnnnn!

[texascub]

How much longer do we have to watch this? When can we actually put a winning team on the field....I mean seriously, this is getting really old.

[JC]

Well, Berkman has 2 hr and 4 rbi tonite.

 

From strictly a fantasy baseball standpoint...

 

 

HOORAY!

[Fred Hornkohl]

Berkman homered to left field , Biggio & Taveras scored

[Schwarber Fan]

WORST CALL IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

 

I'm not so sure. I don't think its clear even from the replay that Ronny got the bag with his foot.

 

The point is, players get the call lots of times even if their foot never gets within a 10 inch radius of the bag.

 

That was never the point.

 

I quoted the wrong post :lol:

 

I meant to quote texascub's post about the FSN SW replays.

 

Players might get that call from time to time, but you certainly can't rely on always getting that call. It's called fundamentals; if you get your foot clearly on the bag, you don't even need to worry about which way the call is going to go.

 

Well I think it's obvious that most shortstops or second basemen turning the DP are more concentrated on getting the throw to first rather than stepping of second.

 

And rightfully so because fundamentals are things that should come 2nd nature by the time you reach the big leagues. He needs to know where he is on the field and be able to make the play. I'd expect a big league SS/2B to know how to find the bag without looking for it, and be able to pick up the runner and his target as he's moving.

 

I just don't think the players turning the DP actually EVER think about hitting second, and the runner is rarely called safe at 2nd as he was today.

 

That's what I'm trying to get at; by the time he gets here he shouldn't need to think about it, it should just come as 2nd nature.

 

You're right it should be, and that is what makes the call so appalling. A lot of times when I watch DPs I can see very clearly that the DP turner (if you will) has dragged himself off the bag before he recieves the ball.

 

OT: Our BP sucks

[cubfan1955]

I've never seen a Cub called safe at 2nd on the phantom touch the base play. It's a conspiracy. :D

[Brian]

wow imagine a loogy that hasn't pitched in days give up a homer to Lance Berkman batting righty.... amazing.

 

When will Dusty realize Novoa is terrible?

[Schwarber Fan]

wow imagine a loogy that hasn't pitched in days give up a homer to Lance Berkman batting righty.... amazing.

 

When will Dusty realize Novoa is terrible?

 

When he realizes Ohman gave it up ;)

[texascub]

wow imagine a loogy that hasn't pitched in days give up a homer to Lance Berkman batting righty.... amazing.

 

When will Dusty realize Novoa is terrible?

 

He's Baker's version of Alf....he's almost a spitting image of him IMO.

[Fred Hornkohl]

BOTTOM OF THE SIXTH INNING

 

Burke , pinch hitting for Springer, flied out to left filed

Biggio singled to left field

Taveras hit by pitch, Biggio to second

Ohman in to pitch for the CUBS

Lamb flied out to left field , runner holding

Berkman homered to left field , Biggio & Taveras scored

Wilson grounded out to short, 6-3

 

3 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
CUBS            0 1 0 1 0 0                    2  4  0
Houston         2 0 0 0 2 3                    7  7  0

 

Home runs: Houston: Biggio (7), Berkman (23 & 24) - CUBS: Jones (15)

 

 

CUBS           IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Marmol        4.3  5  4  4  7  1  2  90
Novoa         1.0  1  2  2  0  1  0  20
Ohman         0.7  1  1  1  0  0  1  12

 

 

Houston        IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Clemens       5.0  4  2  2  3  5  1 115
Springer      1.0  0  0  0  0  0  0  10

[Brian]

wow imagine a loogy that hasn't pitched in days give up a homer to Lance Berkman batting righty.... amazing.

 

When will Dusty realize Novoa is terrible?

 

When he realizes Ohman gave it up ;)

 

Those were seperate thoughts, the base runners were Novoa's... and Novoa is terrible.

[JC]

OT: Our BP sucks

 

You're nuts. Hendry has tweaked it three years in a row. That much tweaking can only result in awesome execution, or a rash.

[cubweiser03]

ohman was starting to get on my good side again, and then this. well at least it wasnt a Lefty hitting it.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Qualls in to pitch for Houston

Cedeno struck out swinging

[Schwarber Fan]

Ronny really scuffling

[JC]

Ouch. Brenly, on how close the Crawford boxes are, "Its certainly reachable for every one in the lineup tonite. Even Juan Pierre sent one that almost went out."

 

Lift a dumbbell sometime, Juan.

[texascub]

OT: Our BP sucks

 

You're nuts. Hendry has tweaked it three years in a row. That much tweaking can only result in awesome execution, or a rash.

 

Our bullpen isn't as bad as it's been in recent years, but when it's over used and mis-used I don't see how stuff like this isn't expected. Some guys pitch several games in a row, and others will sit for days and even weeks. Baker's game management as a whole sucks.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Murton grounded out to short, 6-3