Optimistic Thread

[wade]

I don't think they'll lose another game this year.

 

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen posted here. Disaree with his position? Just say it, but don't degrade other members. Hope he pays you back in spades for that one.

 

I didn't feel like the optimism thread would be the place to say "i bet we lose every game from here on out."

 

Maybe if I would have thrown a little "eye-roll" after that post I could see the sourch of your ire.

 

Do a search under "wade" and see how many times I've been a jerk on this board. (quick answer is 0)

[wade]

My God. Overreact much?

 

Wade was probably just trying to be funny and add a little over the top optimism and he gets slammed for it by two people? Christ.

 

Thanks, that was the intent.

[jjgman21]

 

But again, I'll repeat-Pointing out the flaws in your favorite team doesn't make you a pessimist, a jerk, a Communist, or a bad Cubs fan. It means you are thinking critically and making judgements based on logic and reason, and adjusting your expectations accordingly.

 

 

I agree. but pointing out the flaws is not always done via critical thinking and making judgments based on logic and reason. sometimes there is quite a bit of off handed remarks made and analysis given that leaves out facts, makes logical leaps of faith, emphasizes the bad and de-emphasizes the good, etc.

 

 

 

 

what is with people today anyway? the Cubs are on a three game winning streak, with our three best players hurt, two of those players appear to be coming back soon, our young guys are performing well, and a pitcher we all have anticipated seeing at Wrigley for 5 years now will be making his major league debut today.

 

it's happy time people. there will be 60-70 loses this year to be pissed off after.

 

It's been said before, but it's worth repeating. Every Cubs fan is happy with the win, but it's a marginal happiness. Until they win a world series, a regular season victory, or string of victories, just isn't going to cut it. Big picture stuff is what matters to those who still fret after a win.

 

I think this is true, and the implications speak volumes. 100 win season, one out away from winning the World Series, .650 winning percentage, whatever degree of success on the field we see simply doesn't matter to some. they will continue to bitch until the ballclub is constructed the way they want it constructed.

 

then, excuse the A's post season failures because the playoffs "are a crapshoot" but not be satisfied until the Cubs roll sevens all the way through. know damn well that the only teams in baseball with the payroll capable of building a WS team out of spring training are the Yankees and RedSox, then bitch that the Cubs 'only' built a team with a great shot at making the playoffs considering the division and the league. readily admit that the Cubs team as currently constructed, without late season additions and help from the minor leagues, can win 90-92 games this season, then bitch that the roster out of spring training isn't built to win 100 games.

 

I want a World Series win as much as anyone, and I really hate the way the team plays at times. I hate their manager, I hate that they swing at balls, I hate Neifi Perez. but failing to win a World Series, especially failing to win the World Series in April, is not going to kill my joy of baseball and being a Cubs fan, or cause me to constantly piss and moan and crap in other people's cereal bowls, and it especially won't cause me to do so when things are going well and better than expected, all things considered.

[srbin84]

No Cubs fan should be unhappy with the record of this team despite the injuries. They are on pace for over 100 wins, so they are exceeding expectations had they had Prior, Wood and Lee healthy.

[badger1679666666]

My God. Overreact much?

 

Wade was probably just trying to be funny and add a little over the top optimism and he gets slammed for it by two people? Christ.

 

Forgive me - I am sick of the recent phenomenon of glib and patronizing reactions to people with differing points of view.

 

you mean like calling someones post dumb because you dont agree with his point of view? that makes sense.

 

Technically that's not glib and patronizing - because it's overt.

 

I think he's referring to sarcasm and condescension.

[ltb]

- Zambrano has yet to notch win #1;

 

you'll find plenty of optimism here right now - but there are still things to critique.

 

we're 3-2 in games zambrano has started, and that's all that matters.

[RynoRules]

My God. Overreact much?

 

Wade was probably just trying to be funny and add a little over the top optimism and he gets slammed for it by two people? Christ.

 

Forgive me - I am sick of the recent phenomenon of glib and patronizing reactions to people with differing points of view.

 

you mean like calling someones post dumb because you dont agree with his point of view? that makes sense.

 

Technically that's not glib and patronizing - because it's overt.

 

I think he's referring to sarcasm and condescension.

 

Thanks for the helper; that's pretty much what I meant, but I am having a rough day at work and clarity is not my strong suit today.

[RynoRules]

- Zambrano has yet to notch win #1;

 

you'll find plenty of optimism here right now - but there are still things to critique.

 

we're 3-2 in games zambrano has started, and that's all that matters.

 

Well said.

[back2backjax]

ok, so let's discuss guzman's debut today. let's here some thoughts on the following stat lines:

 

- innings pitched

- strikeouts

- walks

- hits

- homers

- runs

- wild pitches

- who registers the win: guzman or bullpen?

 

i'll go first...

 

5 ip; 4 K; 2 BB; 5 H; 0 HR if wind is in, 2 if out; 2 R; 0 WP; bullpen

Edited April 26, 2006 by back2backjax

[soccer10k]

I don't think they'll lose another game this year.

 

You're so wrong. We're going to lose three more games. But that's it!

 

I'm going with 4 games but thats just a minor detail.

[Soul]

ok, so let's discuss guzman's debut today. let's here some thoughts on the following stat lines:

 

- innings pitched

- strikeouts

- walks

- hits

- homers

- runs

- wild pitches

- who registers the win: guzman or bullpen?

 

i'll go first...

 

5 ip; 4 K; 2 BB; 5 H; 0 HR if wind is in, 2 if out; 2 R; 0 WP; bullpen

 

I'm just excited to finally see his debut after all these years of waiting.

[back2backjax]

i love that someone started a realistic thread as if this one was intended to berate people for seeing fault in this cubs team. let me be clear that that was not the point. my point was that no matter what happens, some people come on here and bitch non-stop. the team overall is performing well above expectations, but instead of discussing that, many just want to come on here and harp on petty little negative stuff. i'm not saying they're perfect, but if you didn't know any better, you would think this team is 5 games under rather than over just from reading the posts.

 

i still disagree with booing a guy new to the NL during the first few weeks of the season. if the guy is still struggling in june/july, that's one thing. but it's not very supportive - and i think that's the end goal of all cubs fans - to lay into a guy day in day out when he's busting his tail trying to help the team win.

Edited April 27, 2006 by back2backjax

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Might want to ease up the language on that post.

[goonys evil twin]

i still disagree with booing a guy new to the NL during the first few weeks of the season. if the guy is still struggling in june/july, that's one thing. but it's not very supportive - and i think that's the end goal of all cubs fans - to lay into a guy day in day out when he's busting his tail trying to help the team win.

 

I disagree with booing Cubs players in general. But it has nothing to do with being early, or new to the NL. Jones is what he is, a crappy player.

 

 

And by the way, if you start a thread with the purpose of telling other posters that what they choose to talk about isn't worth talking about, you're going to get a reaction.

[back2backjax]

i still disagree with booing a guy new to the NL during the first few weeks of the season. if the guy is still struggling in june/july, that's one thing. but it's not very supportive - and i think that's the end goal of all cubs fans - to lay into a guy day in day out when he's busting his tail trying to help the team win.

 

I disagree with booing Cubs players in general. But it has nothing to do with being early, or new to the NL. Jones is what he is, a crappy player.

 

 

And by the way, if you start a thread with the purpose of telling other posters that what they choose to talk about isn't worth talking about, you're going to get a reaction.

 

i never said this thread was aimed at silencing their talk. i hoped this thread would attract like-minded fans who were happy with the team and more focused on discussing the positives than on bashing pierre, jones, neifi, dusty, hendry, etc.

 

there's a big difference between saying "you're wrong" and saying "i have a different opinion".

[TruffleShuffle]

Somebody once suggested that I take a class on optimism, but I knew that crap wouldn't work.

[goonys evil twin]

i never said this thread was aimed at silencing their talk. i hoped this thread would attract like-minded fans who were happy with the team and more focused on discussing the positives than on bashing pierre, jones, neifi, dusty, hendry, etc.

 

there's a big difference between saying "you're wrong" and saying "i have a different opinion".

 

You can't choose who replies to you. You should have known that in a thread where you insulted people who have said anything bad about the Cubs, that you'd get replies from those people that were less than friendly.

[rocket]

JACQUE JONES SHOULD BE PLAY EVERYDAY BECAUSE MABRY Sox IN RIGHT FIELD!

 

is that the idea?

[reversethecurse]

I didn't know that optimistic threads were allowed on this board. I've been loving this season so far. We haven't been playing well in my opinion in most aspects of the game by any stretch yet we are keeping close despite 4 other teams in the division starting off very well. If we can stay in contention it will be very interesting when everyone comes back.