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First, defensivly, I think he's one of the best short stops in the Majors. He's led the league in Double plays. He gets to every ball he should, and a few that surprise you. And, he has a high fielding percentage.

 

He was an All-star two years ago, and not just as a token Pirate.

 

Second, He hit 300 two years ago. And, down the stretch last year, he hit in the 280/290 range. Take into account his apendectomy from the december before last season, it's reasonable to expect him to hit in the 280-290 range.

 

Shortstops that do much better than him earn 18 million dollar contracts from George Steinbrenner. Or 13 million from the Dodgers.

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First, defensivly, I think he's one of the best short stops in the Majors. He's led the league in Double plays. He gets to every ball he should, and a few that surprise you. And, he has a high fielding percentage.

 

He was an All-star two years ago, and not just as a token Pirate.

 

Second, He hit 300 two years ago. And, down the stretch last year, he hit in the 280/290 range. Take into account his apendectomy from the december before last season, it's reasonable to expect him to hit in the 280-290 range.

 

Shortstops that do much better than him earn 18 million dollar contracts from George Steinbrenner. Or 13 million from the Dodgers.

 

He's slightly better than Neifi.

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First, defensivly, I think he's one of the best short stops in the Majors. He's led the league in Double plays. He gets to every ball he should, and a few that surprise you. And, he has a high fielding percentage.

 

He was an All-star two years ago, and not just as a token Pirate.

 

Second, He hit 300 two years ago. And, down the stretch last year, he hit in the 280/290 range. Take into account his apendectomy from the december before last season, it's reasonable to expect him to hit in the 280-290 range.

 

Shortstops that do much better than him earn 18 million dollar contracts from George Steinbrenner. Or 13 million from the Dodgers.

 

He may be better than the metric I cited has him, but even if he's a top flight SS, he still can't hit for anything. He's basically the white Neifi. It's not difficult to find someone who can net you the same production.

 

Regarding his .300 AVG season:

 

2001: .265 BABIP

2002: .287

2003: .282

2004(.300 season): .333

2005: .274

 

That season pretty much exemplifies "luck".

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First, defensivly, I think he's one of the best short stops in the Majors. He's led the league in Double plays. He gets to every ball he should, and a few that surprise you. And, he has a high fielding percentage.

 

He was an All-star two years ago, and not just as a token Pirate.

 

Second, He hit 300 two years ago. And, down the stretch last year, he hit in the 280/290 range. Take into account his apendectomy from the december before last season, it's reasonable to expect him to hit in the 280-290 range.

 

Shortstops that do much better than him earn 18 million dollar contracts from George Steinbrenner. Or 13 million from the Dodgers.

 

He's slightly better than Neifi.

You're slightly on drugs.

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First, defensivly, I think he's one of the best short stops in the Majors. He's led the league in Double plays. He gets to every ball he should, and a few that surprise you. And, he has a high fielding percentage.

 

He was an All-star two years ago, and not just as a token Pirate.

 

Second, He hit 300 two years ago. And, down the stretch last year, he hit in the 280/290 range. Take into account his apendectomy from the december before last season, it's reasonable to expect him to hit in the 280-290 range.

 

Shortstops that do much better than him earn 18 million dollar contracts from George Steinbrenner. Or 13 million from the Dodgers.

 

He's slightly better than Neifi.

You're slightly on drugs.

 

If I was, I'd be completely, but I'm not, and Jack isn't good.

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First, defensivly, I think he's one of the best short stops in the Majors. He's led the league in Double plays. He gets to every ball he should, and a few that surprise you. And, he has a high fielding percentage.

 

He was an All-star two years ago, and not just as a token Pirate.

 

Second, He hit 300 two years ago. And, down the stretch last year, he hit in the 280/290 range. Take into account his apendectomy from the december before last season, it's reasonable to expect him to hit in the 280-290 range.

 

Shortstops that do much better than him earn 18 million dollar contracts from George Steinbrenner. Or 13 million from the Dodgers.

 

He may be better than the metric I cited has him, but even if he's a top flight SS, he still can't hit for anything. He's basically the white Neifi. It's not difficult to find someone who can net you the same production.

 

Regarding his .300 AVG season:

 

2001: .265 BABIP

2002: .287

2003: .282

2004(.300 season): .333

2005: .274

 

That season pretty much exemplifies "luck".

First, I have no illusion he's going to be a 300 hitter, and I've said as much. Normally, based on the number, I'd agree with you. After his surgery, he couldn't swing a bat for months, and this extended into the season. After May, his average slowly rose through out the season. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but I think he hit .283 over the last four months of the season. Being healthy all year, and looking at his numbers, he's going to hit .280- .290. And play stellar defense.

 

How many shortstops are hitting 300 in the majors?

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First, I have no illusion he's going to be a 300 hitter, and I've said as much. Normally, based on the number, I'd agree with you. After his surgery, he couldn't swing a bat for months, and this extended into the season. After May, his average slowly rose through out the season. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but I think he hit .283 over the last four months of the season. Being healthy all year, and looking at his numbers, he's going to hit .280- .290. And play stellar defense.

 

How many shortstops are hitting 300 in the majors?

He's only hit above .260 once in his career. I don't know how you can expect him to hit .280-.290 this year.

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I thought I heard on XM that it was somewhere in the neighborhood of three years, $20 million. I may have mis-heard that , but it seems a bit steep.

Actually, that does. I'd have guessed 16 for three years.

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First, I have no illusion he's going to be a 300 hitter, and I've said as much. Normally, based on the number, I'd agree with you. After his surgery, he couldn't swing a bat for months, and this extended into the season. After May, his average slowly rose through out the season. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but I think he hit .283 over the last four months of the season. Being healthy all year, and looking at his numbers, he's going to hit .280- .290. And play stellar defense.

 

How many shortstops are hitting 300 in the majors?

He's only hit above .260 once in his career. I don't know how you can expect him to hit .280-.290 this year.

Take away april and may of last year, and he basically hit 280 over the past two years. He was essentially hurt at the start of last season. He's improved every year he's been in the majors. It's not that far of a reach.

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How many shortstops are hitting 300 in the majors?

 

3, and Jack Wilson ain't one of them. Last year, he was 19th among qualified SS with a 299 OBP. Neifi was 20th at 298.

Fine. You take Neffi, we'll take Jack.

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First, I have no illusion he's going to be a 300 hitter, and I've said as much. Normally, based on the number, I'd agree with you. After his surgery, he couldn't swing a bat for months, and this extended into the season. After May, his average slowly rose through out the season. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but I think he hit .283 over the last four months of the season. Being healthy all year, and looking at his numbers, he's going to hit .280- .290. And play stellar defense.

 

How many shortstops are hitting 300 in the majors?

He's only hit above .260 once in his career. I don't know how you can expect him to hit .280-.290 this year.

Take away april and may of last year, and he basically hit 280 over the past two years. He was essentially hurt at the start of last season. He's improved every year he's been in the majors. It's not that far of a reach.

 

But you can't just "take away" like that.

 

Jack isn't good, I don't get why you can't admit that. I know the Pirates have basically pushed him on the fans as the face of the franchise (at least from what I can tell on their commercials on the EI package), but seriously, you can't buy it.

 

By the way, he hit .350 in September. His next highest month was .267 in August, but he was .242 and .239 in June and July. The numbers don't bare out the theory that he's a .280 hitter who had a bad first two months. He's been very bad offensively the majority of his career. He's slightly better than Neifi. I would hate to be a fan of a small payroll team that pays him much of anything to be the starter.

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He's slightly better than Neifi.

 

You're wrong. And when are you high on anyone, or anything, ever?

 

edit: 3/20 is awful. have to admit that.

 

.263/.304/.368, 74 OPS+

 

v.

 

.270/.301/.380, 65 OPS+

 

Both are reputed to be excellent defenders(Wilson probably better), and yet at least one metric using PBP data has them not near the top of the pack(with Wilson being better). What else would you call the difference between them?

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wow, culd you imagine the mass suicide on these boards if Hendry were to sign that kind of deal- 2yrs at 5M for Neifi-I'll take it over 3 @20m for Wilson-criminy. :shock:

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