Rumor - Murton for Soriano?

[bmkhawk]

Murton for Soriano.....then

 

Soriano for Manny Ramirez,

or

Soriano for Cliff Floyd,

or

Soriano for Ibanez

 

You are kidding about Ibanez and Floyd, right?

[jtownie]

Murton for Soriano.....then

 

Soriano for Manny Ramirez,

or

Soriano for Cliff Floyd,

or

Soriano for Ibanez

 

You are kidding about Ibanez and Floyd, right?

 

Soriano for Tejada?? 8)

[ManCrushOnNomar]

I boycott this team if this trade goes down.

[David]

I would love to have Soriano's bat in our lineup either 2 slot or 5 hole. Realisticly this won't happen cause hendry is worthless and would not pull the trigger on something like this.

 

Actually, this is exactly the type of dumb move I could almost see Hendry making. Hopefully, this rumor is as baseless as I think it is.

[CubfaninCA]

I doubt this deal happens, but if it does, I can see Hendry going after Mench or Kearns.

[A New Era]

Dusty and Hendry really like the kid Murton. I hate to burst anybodies bubble but Murton is staying. And I say THANK GOD. This kid shows the patience at the plate, the ability to post good OBP, and will hit 30 HR for us in 2006. Why the freak, trade that for a simular "power" type guy, and also STILL terrible defense at 2B?

 

If the Cubs make any kind of trade, it better be improving defense at 2B without sacraficing too much offense. We should be thanking Hendry for giving us Murton, not wanting to trade him away!! Any time I hear his name in these stupid trade rumors, I think who's dumb enough to think we'd ever get rid of an underpaid/overperforming GEM like Murton? It's ridiculous. .

[Diffusion]

This kid shows the patience at the plate, the ability to post good OBP, and will hit 30 HR for us in 2006.

 

Woah, hold your horses.

[A New Era]

This kid shows the patience at the plate, the ability to post good OBP, and will hit 30 HR for us in 2006.

 

Woah, hold your horses.

 

No, I'm holding my hopes in Murton. . If this kid can hit 7 HR in 140 AB, he can certainly come CLOSE to 30 HR in 600. Murton and Jones will both hit around 30 HR. Why trade "patient power" in Murton for "strikeout power" in Sorriano? We can get close to the same amount of HR from Murton. And he is overall a far better player (not to mention, we'll only be paying Murton ~$350k, why pay ~$8mil). I guess my point is, there is not $7mil of difference between what Sorriano gives you, and what I know Murton will give us.

 

I'd rather Hendry save that money until mid season and bring in a real GOOD guy. One without Sorriano's defensive defficiency.

[NorthsideAvenger]

In 02/03 he came close to back-to-back 40/40 seasons.

 

Before the 2004 season, Soriano was dealt for ARod.

 

After 2005 seaspm. Soriano was dealt for Wilkerson/Sledge and a minor leaguer.

 

NOW, Soriano is being discussed for Murton?

 

Man, take about being devalue. In the begining Texas was looking foolished for trading, the GAME'S BEST PLAYER, for Soriano/prospect. Then the Washington Nats let Texas off the hook, by sending them Wilkerson among others. So why should the Cubs let the Nats off the hook? Soriano is a PURE DH/OF now. Yet he doesn't want to move off 2b, the arrogant jerk. Soriano has MORE value toa 2nd division club, then a Playoff contender.

 

No way...does Hendry trades Murton for Soriano, and the radio host who made up this rumor, should be shackled in front of the TV, and force to watch Kangeroo Jack, over and over.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I'll take Soriano over any of the 2B we currently have, but trading Murton for him is just plain short-sighted. Washington created their own mess here, if they want to get out from it and save $10MM, they're going to have to accept (almost) nothing for him.

 

Wellemeyer and Jerry Hairston, and we take on Fonzie's salary. That's as good as you get, Bowden.

 

I would then deal Walker for whatever you can get for him. Yes, I know all about how bad Fonzie is and that Walker is a better hitter for OBP and average, please, no need to re-recite them here.

 

I take Fonzie because he is a slugger and I'd rather have him than JJ batting 5th. I'll let Murton and Cedeno compete for the 2 slot in the order. JJ bats 6th, where he belongs.

[TheRaven]

Dusty and Hendry really like the kid Murton. I hate to burst anybodies bubble but Murton is staying. And I say THANK GOD. This kid shows the patience at the plate, the ability to post good OBP, and will hit 30 HR for us in 2006.

 

The 30 homers is a bit of a stretch.

[Dr. Cub]

Dusty and Hendry really like the kid Murton. I hate to burst anybodies bubble but Murton is staying. And I say THANK GOD. This kid shows the patience at the plate, the ability to post good OBP, and will hit 30 HR for us in 2006.

 

The 30 homers is a bit of a stretch.

 

I don't think it's a stretch. He had 140 AB's with 7 HR. If you extend those numbers over the season he could reach 560 AB's with 28 HR. It surely isn't a given, but he demonstrated he does have the ability/power.

[TheRaven]

Dusty and Hendry really like the kid Murton. I hate to burst anybodies bubble but Murton is staying. And I say THANK GOD. This kid shows the patience at the plate, the ability to post good OBP, and will hit 30 HR for us in 2006.

 

The 30 homers is a bit of a stretch.

 

I don't think it's a stretch. He had 140 AB's with 7 HR. If you extend those numbers over the season he could reach 560 AB's with 28 HR. It surely isn't a given, but he demonstrated he does have the ability/power.

 

It is a stretch. The guy has not hit a combined 20 homers on any professional level during any season.

 

2003 - 2 HRs in 227 ABs

2004 - 13 HRs in 514 ABs

2005 - 17 HRs in 543 ABs

 

Does that mean he won't continue to improve? No. Does that mean he can't develop that power? No. Is it a stretch to say he will hit 30 homers in his first full MLB season? Yes.

 

I would rather him try to keep above a .350 OBP for the entire year than worry about trying to hit 30 home runs.

[Guest]

Dusty and Hendry really like the kid Murton. I hate to burst anybodies bubble but Murton is staying. And I say THANK GOD. This kid shows the patience at the plate, the ability to post good OBP, and will hit 30 HR for us in 2006.

 

The 30 homers is a bit of a stretch.

 

I don't think it's a stretch. He had 140 AB's with 7 HR. If you extend those numbers over the season he could reach 560 AB's with 28 HR. It surely isn't a given, but he demonstrated he does have the ability/power.

Yes, those couple of months in the majors last year show that he has the ability to put up some nice power numbers, but the bulk of his minor league experience suggests that it's unlikely he can keep those number up for an entire season. Odds are Murton will provide decent -- but not great -- power, somewhere around 20 over a full season.

[Dr. Cub]

Dusty and Hendry really like the kid Murton. I hate to burst anybodies bubble but Murton is staying. And I say THANK GOD. This kid shows the patience at the plate, the ability to post good OBP, and will hit 30 HR for us in 2006.

 

The 30 homers is a bit of a stretch.

 

I don't think it's a stretch. He had 140 AB's with 7 HR. If you extend those numbers over the season he could reach 560 AB's with 28 HR. It surely isn't a given, but he demonstrated he does have the ability/power.

 

It is a stretch. The guy has not hit a combined 20 homers on any professional level during any season.

 

2003 - 2 HRs in 227 ABs

2004 - 13 HRs in 514 ABs

2005 - 17 HRs in 543 ABs

 

Does that mean he won't continue to improve? No. Does that mean he can't develop that power? No. Is it a stretch to say he will hit 30 homers in his first full MLB season? Yes.

 

I would rather him try to keep above a .350 OBP for the entire year than worry about trying to hit 30 home runs.

 

I never suggested I wanted the opposite. I surely don't want him to focus on hitting HR, especially at the expense of his OBP. Is it a given that he will hit 30 HR this year? No. Do his numbers from the minors to the majors show continuing power increases? Yes. Is it then a stretch to think that with his good plate discipline, and his continuing trend of increased power numbers that he could hit 30 HR this year? No.

 

Wow, that answer you're own question thing as they were absolute truths is fun.

 

EDIT: Did Murton play A ball last year? I don't see it, and minorleaguebaseball.com has him with the following stats:

 

AA 34 AB's with 1 HR

AAA 313 AB's with 8 HR

MLB 140 AB's with 7 HR

 

Those numbers total to 487AB's with 16 HR, which is a better ratio of HR per AB than the 2005 numbers you have. Am I missing some numbers somewhere?

Edited February 21, 2006 by Dr. Cub

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It sounds like the OF isn't expected to go out and hit HR this season. Baker/Hendry sound like they want solid D and athleticism, whatever that is. I haven't quite figured out how athleticism generates runs, but maybe someone can enlighten me.

 

Murton probably won't hit 30 HR. He probably won't keep his .321/.386/.521 line either. :wink:

[Dr. Cub]

It sounds like the OF isn't expected to go out and hit HR this season. Baker/Hendry sound like they want solid D and athleticism, whatever that is. I haven't quite figured out how athleticism generates runs, but maybe someone can enlighten me.

 

Murton probably won't hit 30 HR. He probably won't keep his .321/.386/.521 line either. :wink:

 

I agree that he probably won't on both accounts. However, I don't think it is a stretch that he could hit 30 HR. I do think it is a stretch that he keeps that line, especially considering he had a pretty crazy BABIP last year.

[Diffusion]

If this kid can hit 7 HR in 140 AB, he can certainly come CLOSE to 30 HR in 600.

 

And, over his entire minor league career, he managed just 24 home runs in 1129 plate appearances.

 

So, for his entire professional career, he's hit 31 in 1289 plate appearances.

 

Now, with immediate effect, you want him to double that home run rate over the longest season he'll ever have had facing the best pitching he'll ever have faced?

 

Come on, be realistic about things.

 

While he might in the long term be able to hit 30 home runs in a single season, it's not happening this year.

 

I absolutely guarantee it.

 

And personally I wouldn't be surprised if Murton never hit 30 home runs over his entire career, though I think the best bet is that he does so maybe once or twice and otherwise settles into the high teens to mid twenties.

[CubfaninCA]

In 02/03 he came close to back-to-back 40/40 seasons.

 

Before the 2004 season, Soriano was dealt for ARod.

 

After 2005 seaspm. Soriano was dealt for Wilkerson/Sledge and a minor leaguer.

 

NOW, Soriano is being discussed for Murton?

 

Man, take about being devalue. In the begining Texas was looking foolished for trading, the GAME'S BEST PLAYER, for Soriano/prospect. Then the Washington Nats let Texas off the hook, by sending them Wilkerson among others. So why should the Cubs let the Nats off the hook? Soriano is a PURE DH/OF now. Yet he doesn't want to move off 2b, the arrogant jerk. Soriano has MORE value toa 2nd division club, then a Playoff contender.

 

No way...does Hendry trades Murton for Soriano, and the radio host who made up this rumor, should be shackled in front of the TV, and force to watch Kangeroo Jack, over and over.

 

Lee Hacksaw Hamilton's an icon!

[noisesquared]

It sounds like the OF isn't expected to go out and hit HR this season. Baker/Hendry sound like they want solid D and athleticism, whatever that is. I haven't quite figured out how athleticism generates runs, but maybe someone can enlighten me.

 

Murton probably won't hit 30 HR. He probably won't keep his .321/.386/.521 line either. :wink:

 

I agree that he probably won't on both accounts. However, I don't think it is a stretch that he could hit 30 HR. I do think it is a stretch that he keeps that line, especially considering he had a pretty crazy BABIP last year.

 

The biggest obstacle to Murton even having the opportunity to hit 30HR is Dusty. I don't see any way Murton gets the number of AB to even have a chance. He'll be hard pressed to get 20HR in the 400-450 plate appearances he'll likely get.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It sounds like the OF isn't expected to go out and hit HR this season. Baker/Hendry sound like they want solid D and athleticism, whatever that is. I haven't quite figured out how athleticism generates runs, but maybe someone can enlighten me.

 

Murton probably won't hit 30 HR. He probably won't keep his .321/.386/.521 line either. :wink:

 

I agree that he probably won't on both accounts. However, I don't think it is a stretch that he could hit 30 HR. I do think it is a stretch that he keeps that line, especially considering he had a pretty crazy BABIP last year.

 

The biggest obstacle to Murton even having the opportunity to hit 30HR is Dusty. I don't see any way Murton gets the number of AB to even have a chance. He'll be hard pressed to get 20HR in the 400-450 plate appearances he'll likely get.

 

I was heartened to hear that Dusty denied Walker's request to play LF b/c we need to see what Murton can do in full time duty.

[Diffusion]

Is it a given that he will hit 30 HR this year? No. Do his numbers from the minors to the majors show continuing power increases? Yes.

 

All true. But let's not overstate the nature of these increases...

 

2003: 2 HR in 227 PA (0.88 HR per 100 PA)

2004: 13 HR in 514 PA (2.53 HR per 100 PA)

2005: 16 HR in 548 PA (2.92 HR per 100 PA)

 

The 2003 numbers aren't really that relevant to be honest.

 

Anyway, hitting 30 HR in a full season (which we'll call 600 PA) would mean hitting 5 HR per 100 PA. So the increase in his HR power would need to be about 5 times as great as the increase in his HR power from 2004 to 2005. And the increase would need to be made while facing much more advanced pitching, a longer season, and so on.

 

So it's not just a stretch, it's an enormous stretch. Statistically. And that's not to mention that Murton doesn't even have a 30 HR physique, a 30 HR swing, a 30 HR anything.

[Diffusion]

He'll be hard pressed to get 20HR in the 400-450 plate appearances he'll likely get.

 

He'll be hard pressed to get 10 in that amount of playing time.

[Jehrico]

I don't understand how a trade for a 30/30 player who drives in 100 runs for a rookie could be so bad. I know his plane discipline isn't great, and his numbers were elevated in Texas, but the guy can hit and run. And as much as I like Murton, he's all potential until he proves it in the bigs.

 

Soriano arguably is the worst, most overpaid 30/30 guy ever. That's not considering his defense, me-first attitude, or the fact that he stated that he does not intend to stay with his team beyond this one season before he even reported to ST. He has no intent on being a good teammate over there at all.

 

Murton for an overpaid-one year wonder would go down in history alongside with the Brock and Willis trades.

[TheRaven]

Dusty and Hendry really like the kid Murton. I hate to burst anybodies bubble but Murton is staying. And I say THANK GOD. This kid shows the patience at the plate, the ability to post good OBP, and will hit 30 HR for us in 2006.

 

The 30 homers is a bit of a stretch.

 

I don't think it's a stretch. He had 140 AB's with 7 HR. If you extend those numbers over the season he could reach 560 AB's with 28 HR. It surely isn't a given, but he demonstrated he does have the ability/power.

 

It is a stretch. The guy has not hit a combined 20 homers on any professional level during any season.

 

2003 - 2 HRs in 227 ABs

2004 - 13 HRs in 514 ABs

2005 - 17 HRs in 543 ABs

 

Does that mean he won't continue to improve? No. Does that mean he can't develop that power? No. Is it a stretch to say he will hit 30 homers in his first full MLB season? Yes.

 

I would rather him try to keep above a .350 OBP for the entire year than worry about trying to hit 30 home runs.

 

I never suggested I wanted the opposite. I surely don't want him to focus on hitting HR, especially at the expense of his OBP. Is it a given that he will hit 30 HR this year? No. Do his numbers from the minors to the majors show continuing power increases? Yes. Is it then a stretch to think that with his good plate discipline, and his continuing trend of increased power numbers that he could hit 30 HR this year? No.

 

Wow, that answer you're own question thing as they were absolute truths is fun.

 

EDIT: Did Murton play A ball last year? I don't see it, and minorleaguebaseball.com has him with the following stats:

 

AA 34 AB's with 1 HR

AAA 313 AB's with 8 HR

MLB 140 AB's with 7 HR

 

Those numbers total to 487AB's with 16 HR, which is a better ratio of HR per AB than the 2005 numbers you have. Am I missing some numbers somewhere?

 

I never suggested that you wanted him to develop power over OBP. I just listed my personal preference to end the note. To say someone will nearly double his previous power output in the highest form of professional ball in their first full season is a little bit of a stretch IMO. I would be weary of proclaiming that for people that have proven they are more adept for HRs in previous levels of play.

 

It also begins to set expectations too high IMO as well, which leads to people unfairly criticizing people for something they should have never been held accountable for in the first place. I'm not saying that person is you, but I think there are quite a few people out there with the ability to exert that line of thinking.