Big Ten Basketball

[illiniguy]

How can you judge that? Did Randle play anything besides basketball in high school? I can't find it on his bio.

Haluska won the 100, 200, 400 and long jump as a senior. His junior year he won the 100, 200 and long jump. He also won the long jump his sophomore year.

 

randle's probably the quickest jumper in the BT, along with arguably it's best athlete. athletic-wise, i don't think there's any comparison.

Jeff Horner got third or so in high jump. How do I know? My brother's got first and fourth. I guess that means Jeff is a better athlete than Dee Brown.

[hawkeyecub]

Nope I pretty much think you ask anyone about who the better ahtlete is between Brian Randle and Adam Haluska they will go with Brian Randle. So I guess you saying that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete is moronic. Brian Randle is a jumpshot away from being a lottery pick. I don't think Haluska is that type of athlete.

 

According to who? Randle may project to be more valuable in the NBA, but that has nothing to do with being a better athlete.

If you can't say Haluska is a heck of an athlete without being moronic, well I would question what is really moronic there.

 

Randle couldn't rival what Haluksa has done in track. Haluska is two-three inches shorter but weighs the same and is much stronger. Oh by the way he's also averaging 6 points more per game than Randle.

 

So once and for all let's break this all down. Randle is averaging 8.3, 5.7 boards and 1.4 assists per game. Haluska is averaging 15.3 points, 4.9 boards and 2.5 assists. So Haluska has been much better this year. He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle. In addition he's stronger and has a much better build.

Yet it's moronic to say that he's a heck of an athlete too? Good logic. By the way Haluska will be playing in the NBA some day also. Maybe not a lottery pick, but he'll be there.

 

I can't believe how much some of you are overrating Randle. What has he done?

[illiniguy]

Nope I pretty much think you ask anyone about who the better ahtlete is between Brian Randle and Adam Haluska they will go with Brian Randle. So I guess you saying that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete is moronic. Brian Randle is a jumpshot away from being a lottery pick. I don't think Haluska is that type of athlete.

 

According to who? Randle may project to be more valuable in the NBA, but that has nothing to do with being a better athlete.

If you can't say Haluska is a heck of an athlete without being moronic, well I would question what is really moronic there.

 

Randle couldn't rival what Haluksa has done in track. Haluska is two-three inches shorter but weighs the same and is much stronger. Oh by the way he's also averaging 6 points more per game than Randle.

 

So once and for all let's break this all down. Randle is averaging 8.3, 5.7 boards and 1.4 assists per game. Haluska is averaging 15.3 points, 4.9 boards and 2.5 assists. So Haluska has been much better this year. He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle. In addition he's stronger and has a much better build.

Yet it's moronic to say that he's a heck of an athlete too? Good logic. By the way Haluska will be playing in the NBA some day also. Maybe not a lottery pick, but he'll be there.

 

I can't believe how much some of you are overrating Randle. What has he done?

And if you think those numbers can dictate greater value or a better player you are a moron. Brian Randle is a defensive stopper on the 6th best team in America. Adam Haluska, is a nice player on a top 25 team.

So isn't it safe to say if haluska is stronger and a better athlete than Randle than he would average more boards than him?

Edited February 3, 2006 by illiniguy

[Magnetic Curses]

He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle.

 

i think this is a crazy assessment. there aren't many coaches in the big ten who wouldn't say that randle is by far the best leaper in the conference.

[illiniguy]

He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle.

 

i think this is a crazy assessment. there aren't many coaches in the big ten who wouldn't say that randle is by far the best leaper in the conference.

Again I am not willing to concede he is faster with a basketball in his hands.

[illiniguy]

He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle.

 

i think this is a crazy assessment. there aren't many coaches in the big ten who wouldn't say that randle is by far the best leaper in the conference.

It is a two man group of Pettway and Randle.

[Magnetic Curses]

I can't believe how much some of you are overrating Randle. What has he done?

 

well, for one, he's probably the big ten's best defensive player.

[illiniguy]

I can't believe how much some of you are overrating Randle. What has he done?

 

well, for one, he's probably the big ten's best defensive player.

Ah but defense is only half of the game. I just wish he wouldn't have broke his hand last year. I think he could have done a heck of a job on Sean May, maybe even enough to swing the outcome of that game. Maybe not.

Edited February 3, 2006 by illiniguy

[hawkeyecub]

Nope I pretty much think you ask anyone about who the better ahtlete is between Brian Randle and Adam Haluska they will go with Brian Randle. So I guess you saying that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete is moronic. Brian Randle is a jumpshot away from being a lottery pick. I don't think Haluska is that type of athlete.

 

According to who? Randle may project to be more valuable in the NBA, but that has nothing to do with being a better athlete.

If you can't say Haluska is a heck of an athlete without being moronic, well I would question what is really moronic there.

 

Randle couldn't rival what Haluksa has done in track. Haluska is two-three inches shorter but weighs the same and is much stronger. Oh by the way he's also averaging 6 points more per game than Randle.

 

So once and for all let's break this all down. Randle is averaging 8.3, 5.7 boards and 1.4 assists per game. Haluska is averaging 15.3 points, 4.9 boards and 2.5 assists. So Haluska has been much better this year. He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle. In addition he's stronger and has a much better build.

Yet it's moronic to say that he's a heck of an athlete too? Good logic. By the way Haluska will be playing in the NBA some day also. Maybe not a lottery pick, but he'll be there.

 

I can't believe how much some of you are overrating Randle. What has he done?

And if you think those numbers can dictate greater value or a better player you are a moron. Brian Randle is a defensive stopper on the 6th best team in America. Adam Haluska, is a nice role player on a top 25 team.

 

LOL what? Haluska is a nice role player on a top 25 team? That may be some of the best spin I've ever seen on here. Using the ridiculous polls was also a nice touch. How about saying Haluska is the best player on the #10 RPI team? That would be closer to the truth.

 

I didn't say the numbers equalled value on the next level. Randle will be valued higher in the NBA because of his size. Unfortunately we aren't playing in the NBA right now. Haluska has shown much more than Randle has and it's not even close.

 

sulleymon Randle and Haluska were matched up for most of the first Illinois-Iowa game. Haluska had 15 points, 3 boards and 1 foul. Randle had 4 points, 2 boards and 5 fouls. Haluska's offensive game most certainly did not suffer and I think he showed that he has quick enough feet to avoid fouls. In fact I think it was Randle who needed quicker feet to avoid foul trouble.

[hawkeyecub]

He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle.

 

i think this is a crazy assessment. there aren't many coaches in the big ten who wouldn't say that randle is by far the best leaper in the conference.

It is a two man group of Pettway and Randle.

 

As far as leaping and raw athleticism, Doug Thomas is right there with Petway. He is 6'8 with a legit 44 inch vertical.

[illiniguy]

Nope I pretty much think you ask anyone about who the better ahtlete is between Brian Randle and Adam Haluska they will go with Brian Randle. So I guess you saying that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete is moronic. Brian Randle is a jumpshot away from being a lottery pick. I don't think Haluska is that type of athlete.

 

According to who? Randle may project to be more valuable in the NBA, but that has nothing to do with being a better athlete.

If you can't say Haluska is a heck of an athlete without being moronic, well I would question what is really moronic there.

 

Randle couldn't rival what Haluksa has done in track. Haluska is two-three inches shorter but weighs the same and is much stronger. Oh by the way he's also averaging 6 points more per game than Randle.

 

So once and for all let's break this all down. Randle is averaging 8.3, 5.7 boards and 1.4 assists per game. Haluska is averaging 15.3 points, 4.9 boards and 2.5 assists. So Haluska has been much better this year. He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle. In addition he's stronger and has a much better build.

Yet it's moronic to say that he's a heck of an athlete too? Good logic. By the way Haluska will be playing in the NBA some day also. Maybe not a lottery pick, but he'll be there.

 

I can't believe how much some of you are overrating Randle. What has he done?

And if you think those numbers can dictate greater value or a better player you are a moron. Brian Randle is a defensive stopper on the 6th best team in America. Adam Haluska, is a nice role player on a top 25 team.

 

LOL what? Haluska is a nice role player on a top 25 team? That may be some of the best spin I've ever seen on here. Using the ridiculous polls was also a nice touch. How about saying Haluska is the best player on the #10 RPI team? That would be closer to the truth.

 

I didn't say the numbers equalled value on the next level. Randle will be valued higher in the NBA because of his size. Unfortunately we aren't playing in the NBA right now. Haluska has shown much more than Randle has and it's not even close.

 

sulleymon Randle and Haluska were matched up for most of the first Illinois-Iowa game. Haluska had 15 points, 3 boards and 1 foul. Randle had 4 points, 2 boards and 5 fouls. Haluska's offensive game most certainly did not suffer and I think he showed that he has quick enough feet to avoid fouls. In fact I think it was Randle who needed quicker feet to avoid foul trouble.

You do know that RPI is just how you do against your schedule. It really doesn't rank you in terms that people think it does. To argue Randle's ppg as his value to our team is equally silly.

Edited February 3, 2006 by illiniguy

[illiniguy]

He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle.

 

i think this is a crazy assessment. there aren't many coaches in the big ten who wouldn't say that randle is by far the best leaper in the conference.

It is a two man group of Pettway and Randle.

 

As far as leaping and raw athleticism, Doug Thomas is right there with Petway. He is 6'8 with a legit 44 inch vertical.

True I forgot about Thunder Doug. I would say he is right there with the other two I mentioned.

[Magnetic Curses]

sulleymon Randle and Haluska were matched up for most of the first Illinois-Iowa game. Haluska had 15 points, 3 boards and 1 foul. Randle had 4 points, 2 boards and 5 fouls. Haluska's offensive game most certainly did not suffer and I think he showed that he has quick enough feet to avoid fouls. In fact I think it was Randle who needed quicker feet to avoid foul trouble.

 

yeah, the game was played at carver, and it showed. the hawkeyes got called 13 fouls while the illini were called for 27. do you think that will be the case at the AH? somehow, i doubt it.

 

randle got in early foul trouble due to some dubious calls and never got back in the game. again, do you think that the same scenario will unfold at the AH?

 

furthermore, randle has no jumpshot, none. any points he gets are strictly layups or dunks.

 

i might be a homer, but you're being a huge one here.

[illiniguy]

What do you guys think of Rudy Gay? The reason I ask is because he can't shoot either, yet seems to get a pass for it.

[hawkeyecub]

You do know that RPI is just how you do against your schedule. It really doesn't rank you in terms that people think it does. To argue Randle's ppg as his value to are team is equally silly.

 

Yeah, shouldn't you be judged by how you do against your schedule?

 

I know how it's judged. There are 3 parts to it. One is based on your wins/losses and where they take place. The other is your opponents winning percentage and the other part is basically their schedule strength.

 

It's the best measure we have to evaluate teams right now and that's why it's the most important tool to the selection committee. The top 25 polls are a joke. How many losses in a row did Louisville need to fall out? They were still ranked when they were 2-5 in their conference.

 

To sum this whole argument up, I won't say that Haluska is a better athlete than Randle. But just because he's white and from Iowa doesn't mean he's not a hell of an athlete. His track times and distances would carry over very well to Illinois. He wasn't just another guy who won a couple of championships in Iowa. He's one of the better sprinter/jumpers in a long time and is also a skilled basketball player and our best overall player. Tim Dwight was also a white guy from Iowa, but I think he was a pretty good athlete and would have done just fine in Illinois.

[illiniguy]

You do know that RPI is just how you do against your schedule. It really doesn't rank you in terms that people think it does. To argue Randle's ppg as his value to are team is equally silly.

 

Yeah, shouldn't you be judged by how you do against your schedule?

 

I know how it's judged. There are 3 parts to it. One is based on your wins/losses and where they take place. The other is your opponents winning percentage and the other part is basically their schedule strength.

 

It's the best measure we have to evaluate teams right now and that's why it's the most important tool to the selection committee. The top 25 polls are a joke. How many losses in a row did Louisville need to fall out? They were still ranked when they were 2-5 in their conference.

 

To sum this whole argument up, I won't say that Haluska is a better athlete than Randle. But just because he's white and from Iowa doesn't mean he's not a hell of an athlete. His track times and distances would carry over very well to Illinois. He wasn't just another guy who won a couple of championships in Iowa. He's one of the better sprinter/jumpers in a long time and is also a skilled basketball player and our best overall player. Tim Dwight was also a white guy from Iowa, but I think he was a pretty good athlete and would have done just fine in Illinois.

Yeah but there are some flaws in it. Someone, I think Georgetown, played a home game yet it was a tourny game and gained points for it. I still like the polls better because at least if the somputer is way off then your own eyes will catch it.

[illiniguy]

You do know that RPI is just how you do against your schedule. It really doesn't rank you in terms that people think it does. To argue Randle's ppg as his value to are team is equally silly.

 

Yeah, shouldn't you be judged by how you do against your schedule?

 

I know how it's judged. There are 3 parts to it. One is based on your wins/losses and where they take place. The other is your opponents winning percentage and the other part is basically their schedule strength.

 

It's the best measure we have to evaluate teams right now and that's why it's the most important tool to the selection committee. The top 25 polls are a joke. How many losses in a row did Louisville need to fall out? They were still ranked when they were 2-5 in their conference.

 

To sum this whole argument up, I won't say that Haluska is a better athlete than Randle. But just because he's white and from Iowa doesn't mean he's not a hell of an athlete. His track times and distances would carry over very well to Illinois. He wasn't just another guy who won a couple of championships in Iowa. He's one of the better sprinter/jumpers in a long time and is also a skilled basketball player and our best overall player. Tim Dwight was also a white guy from Iowa, but I think he was a pretty good athlete and would have done just fine in Illinois.

Greg Brunner is your best player. The things that guy does at his size in the big ten is amazing to me.

[hawkeyecub]

sulleymon Randle and Haluska were matched up for most of the first Illinois-Iowa game. Haluska had 15 points, 3 boards and 1 foul. Randle had 4 points, 2 boards and 5 fouls. Haluska's offensive game most certainly did not suffer and I think he showed that he has quick enough feet to avoid fouls. In fact I think it was Randle who needed quicker feet to avoid foul trouble.

 

yeah, the game was played at carver, and it showed. the hawkeyes got called 13 fouls while the illini were called for 27. do you think that will be the case at the AH? somehow, i doubt it.

 

randle got in early foul trouble due to some dubious calls and never got back in the game. again, do you think that the same scenario will unfold at the AH?

 

furthermore, randle has no jumpshot, none. any points he gets are strictly layups or dunks.

 

i might be a homer, but you're being a huge one here.

 

How am I being a huge homer? Your statement basically made it sound like Haluska couldn't stay with Randle and that Randle would shut him down. So I used the statistics from their last game which showed that the exact opposite will happen. Do I think that will happen again? Probably not. But I'm also confident that Haluska can stay with him defensively and will get his points.

 

And yeah the fouls sound pretty bad when you say it was 27 to 13. But you're ignoring that at least 5 of those came in the last 3 minutes when Illinois was forced to put us at the line becuase they were down 8-10.

[badgercub]

sulleymon Randle and Haluska were matched up for most of the first Illinois-Iowa game. Haluska had 15 points, 3 boards and 1 foul. Randle had 4 points, 2 boards and 5 fouls. Haluska's offensive game most certainly did not suffer and I think he showed that he has quick enough feet to avoid fouls. In fact I think it was Randle who needed quicker feet to avoid foul trouble.

 

yeah, the game was played at carver, and it showed. the hawkeyes got called 13 fouls while the illini were called for 27. do you think that will be the case at the AH? somehow, i doubt it.

 

randle got in early foul trouble due to some dubious calls and never got back in the game. again, do you think that the same scenario will unfold at the AH?

 

furthermore, randle has no jumpshot, none. any points he gets are strictly layups or dunks.

 

i might be a homer, but you're being a huge one here.

 

How am I being a huge homer? Your statement basically made it sound like Haluska couldn't stay with Randle and that Randle would shut him down. So I used the statistics from their last game which showed that the exact opposite will happen. Do I think that will happen again? Probably not. But I'm also confident that Haluska can stay with him defensively and will get his points.

 

And yeah the fouls sound pretty bad when you say it was 27 to 13. But you're ignoring that at least 5 of those came in the last 3 minutes when Illinois was forced to put us at the line becuase they were down 8-10.

 

Plus, Tucker got his off of Randall. And it wasn't that Randall did such a great job of keeping him off the blocks, it was the fact that they double and triple teamed him down on the blocks.

 

7-12 from the field and 6 boards. Randall had a good all around game but not the defensive stopper that sulley was saying he was going to be. I believe your prediction was he would hold Tucker under 10 points.

[Magnetic Curses]

How am I being a huge homer? Your statement basically made it sound like Haluska couldn't stay with Randle and that Randle would shut him down. So I used the statistics from their last game which showed that the exact opposite will happen. Do I think that will happen again? Probably not. But I'm also confident that Haluska can stay with him defensively and will get his points.

 

i didn't say that randle would shut him down, but i doubt that haluska repeats his performance in champaign.

 

you use statistics, i use statistics, who's to say which statistics are better? everyone has their own.

 

And yeah the fouls sound pretty bad when you say it was 27 to 13. But you're ignoring that at least 5 of those came in the last 3 minutes when Illinois was forced to put us at the line becuase they were down 8-10.

 

still puts it at 22-13.

 

as i said, it's hard to win on the road in the big ten.

[bmkhawk]

Nope I pretty much think you ask anyone about who the better ahtlete is between Brian Randle and Adam Haluska they will go with Brian Randle. So I guess you saying that Haluska is also a heck of an athlete is moronic. Brian Randle is a jumpshot away from being a lottery pick. I don't think Haluska is that type of athlete.

 

According to who? Randle may project to be more valuable in the NBA, but that has nothing to do with being a better athlete.

If you can't say Haluska is a heck of an athlete without being moronic, well I would question what is really moronic there.

 

Randle couldn't rival what Haluksa has done in track. Haluska is two-three inches shorter but weighs the same and is much stronger. Oh by the way he's also averaging 6 points more per game than Randle.

 

So once and for all let's break this all down. Randle is averaging 8.3, 5.7 boards and 1.4 assists per game. Haluska is averaging 15.3 points, 4.9 boards and 2.5 assists. So Haluska has been much better this year. He's also faster and a better leaper than Randle. In addition he's stronger and has a much better build.

Yet it's moronic to say that he's a heck of an athlete too? Good logic. By the way Haluska will be playing in the NBA some day also. Maybe not a lottery pick, but he'll be there.

 

I can't believe how much some of you are overrating Randle. What has he done?

And if you think those numbers can dictate greater value or a better player you are a moron. Brian Randle is a defensive stopper on the 6th best team in America. Adam Haluska, is a nice player on a top 25 team.

So isn't it safe to say if haluska is stronger and a better athlete than Randle than he would average more boards than him?

How 'bout we lay off the name calling?

[Magnetic Curses]

sulleymon Randle and Haluska were matched up for most of the first Illinois-Iowa game. Haluska had 15 points, 3 boards and 1 foul. Randle had 4 points, 2 boards and 5 fouls. Haluska's offensive game most certainly did not suffer and I think he showed that he has quick enough feet to avoid fouls. In fact I think it was Randle who needed quicker feet to avoid foul trouble.

 

yeah, the game was played at carver, and it showed. the hawkeyes got called 13 fouls while the illini were called for 27. do you think that will be the case at the AH? somehow, i doubt it.

 

randle got in early foul trouble due to some dubious calls and never got back in the game. again, do you think that the same scenario will unfold at the AH?

 

furthermore, randle has no jumpshot, none. any points he gets are strictly layups or dunks.

 

i might be a homer, but you're being a huge one here.

 

How am I being a huge homer? Your statement basically made it sound like Haluska couldn't stay with Randle and that Randle would shut him down. So I used the statistics from their last game which showed that the exact opposite will happen. Do I think that will happen again? Probably not. But I'm also confident that Haluska can stay with him defensively and will get his points.

 

And yeah the fouls sound pretty bad when you say it was 27 to 13. But you're ignoring that at least 5 of those came in the last 3 minutes when Illinois was forced to put us at the line becuase they were down 8-10.

 

Plus, Tucker got his off of Randall. And it wasn't that Randall did such a great job of keeping him off the blocks, it was the fact that they double and triple teamed him down on the blocks.

 

7-12 from the field and 6 boards. Randall had a good all around game but not the defensive stopper that sulley was saying he was going to be. I believe your prediction was he would hold Tucker under 10 points.

 

no, my prediction WAS 10 points, which i came here and took the heat for, yes?

 

the fact is, randle played tucker to a standstill, effectively cancelling out his production. i don't remember any triple teams, but tucker WAS double teamed on the blocks, but nowhere else.

 

man, i don't know why everyone here is so eager to disrespect illinois players. just kidding, i'm pretty sure i know why.

[bmkhawk]

I can't believe how much some of you are overrating Randle. What has he done?

 

well, for one, he's probably the big ten's best defensive player.

 

Yes, but that doesn't make him any harder for the hawkeyes to match up defensively. That is the point of this discussion. Iowa can match up with him defensively with either Haluska or probably Brunner for that matter. It's not like he is some offensive juggernaut that is super-difficult to stop on offense.

[bmkhawk]

no, my prediction WAS 10 points, which i came here and took the heat for, yes?

 

the fact is, randle played tucker to a standstill, effectively cancelling out his production. i don't remember any triple teams, but tucker WAS double teamed on the blocks, but nowhere else.

 

man, i don't know why everyone here is so eager to disrespect illinois players. just kidding, i'm pretty sure i know why.

 

Disrespect? Where has an Illini player been disrespected? And who was disrespected? Please point them out to me.

[badgercub]

sulleymon Randle and Haluska were matched up for most of the first Illinois-Iowa game. Haluska had 15 points, 3 boards and 1 foul. Randle had 4 points, 2 boards and 5 fouls. Haluska's offensive game most certainly did not suffer and I think he showed that he has quick enough feet to avoid fouls. In fact I think it was Randle who needed quicker feet to avoid foul trouble.

 

yeah, the game was played at carver, and it showed. the hawkeyes got called 13 fouls while the illini were called for 27. do you think that will be the case at the AH? somehow, i doubt it.

 

randle got in early foul trouble due to some dubious calls and never got back in the game. again, do you think that the same scenario will unfold at the AH?

 

furthermore, randle has no jumpshot, none. any points he gets are strictly layups or dunks.

 

i might be a homer, but you're being a huge one here.

 

How am I being a huge homer? Your statement basically made it sound like Haluska couldn't stay with Randle and that Randle would shut him down. So I used the statistics from their last game which showed that the exact opposite will happen. Do I think that will happen again? Probably not. But I'm also confident that Haluska can stay with him defensively and will get his points.

 

And yeah the fouls sound pretty bad when you say it was 27 to 13. But you're ignoring that at least 5 of those came in the last 3 minutes when Illinois was forced to put us at the line becuase they were down 8-10.

 

Plus, Tucker got his off of Randall. And it wasn't that Randall did such a great job of keeping him off the blocks, it was the fact that they double and triple teamed him down on the blocks.

 

7-12 from the field and 6 boards. Randall had a good all around game but not the defensive stopper that sulley was saying he was going to be. I believe your prediction was he would hold Tucker under 10 points.

 

no, my prediction WAS 10 points, which i came here and took the heat for, yes?

 

the fact is, randle played tucker to a standstill, effectively cancelling out his production. i don't remember any triple teams, but tucker WAS double teamed on the blocks, but nowhere else.

 

man, i don't know why everyone here is so eager to disrespect illinois players. just kidding, i'm pretty sure i know why.

 

I am not disrespecting Randall at all. I even said in my post he had a good all around game. I was just making the point that he did not stop Tucker defensively. He did play him to a standstill, but he didn't stop him, that was the point I was trying to make. Everyone in this thread has given Randall his props, no hasn't given him his respect. Hawk is just looking for you guys to give Haluska some props and all you guys do is try to keep comparing him to Randall.