Big Ten Basketball

[Magnetic Curses]

Another exciting Illinois Wisconsin matchup tonight! It should be a great game for what has become a nice rivalry over the last 3 years or so. Illinois knows that they only play Wiscy once and this is it so they will be fired up. Wisconsin just fell out fo the top 25 and will be eager to show their homecourt advantage still means something.

 

I don't think Wisconsin matches up well with Augustine and I don't think Illinois matches up well with Tucker. The matchup to watch is Chris Rock vs. Dee Brown.

 

My roomates (Illini alums) and myself (Badger) have been giving each other crap all week regarding this game. I'm pumped!

 

i think that randle will shut tucker down.

 

I would think that pretty unlikely. Especially considering the fact Weber said he was giving Randle a "Crash course in post defense." He's likely to get in foul trouble on the road anyway. If Tucker scores under 20 I'd consider it a job well done by Illinois.

 

that would be a first, seeing as how nobody has scored 20 on randle yet, and he always draws the opposing team's best offensive player.

 

He draws the best offensive player in Big Ten play tonight, without much post defense expierence, at the Kohl Center. I feel fairly confident that Tucker will get his.

 

the illini have already shut down the best two offensive players in the big ten, i seriously doubt that he goes for 20.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

the illini have already shut down the best two offensive players in the big ten, i seriously doubt that he goes for 20.

 

C'mon, they couldn't contain Erik Hansen!

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:lol:

[Chocolate Milk]

Another exciting Illinois Wisconsin matchup tonight! It should be a great game for what has become a nice rivalry over the last 3 years or so. Illinois knows that they only play Wiscy once and this is it so they will be fired up. Wisconsin just fell out fo the top 25 and will be eager to show their homecourt advantage still means something.

 

I don't think Wisconsin matches up well with Augustine and I don't think Illinois matches up well with Tucker. The matchup to watch is Chris Rock vs. Dee Brown.

 

My roomates (Illini alums) and myself (Badger) have been giving each other crap all week regarding this game. I'm pumped!

 

i think that randle will shut tucker down.

 

I would think that pretty unlikely. Especially considering the fact Weber said he was giving Randle a "Crash course in post defense." He's likely to get in foul trouble on the road anyway. If Tucker scores under 20 I'd consider it a job well done by Illinois.

 

that would be a first, seeing as how nobody has scored 20 on randle yet, and he always draws the opposing team's best offensive player.

 

He draws the best offensive player in Big Ten play tonight, without much post defense expierence, at the Kohl Center. I feel fairly confident that Tucker will get his.

 

the illini have already shut down the best two offensive players in the big ten, i seriously doubt that he goes for 20.

 

Have they done it on the road? Killingsworth worked you guys on the road for 23 and 12.

 

I sincerely hope you are wrong. If Tucker goes for under 20 the Badgers are likely to score like 35 points.

[CuseCubFan69]

Doesn't Indiana play UConn in Hoosier land this week?

[Magnetic Curses]

Have they done it on the road? Killingsworth worked you guys on the road for 23 and 12.

 

against shaun pruitt.

[Chocolate Milk]

Have they done it on the road? Killingsworth worked you guys on the road for 23 and 12.

 

against shaun pruitt.

 

How can Randle "always draws the opposing team's best offensive player," play 35 mins, but not be on Killingsworth? Not being combative, I just didn't see the game. Did he get into early foul trouble and spend some time ont he bench? If so, that's what I think is likely to happen tonight.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Doesn't Indiana play UConn in Hoosier land this week?

 

yes

[Magnetic Curses]

Have they done it on the road? Killingsworth worked you guys on the road for 23 and 12.

 

against shaun pruitt.

 

How can Randle "always draws the opposing team's best offensive player," play 35 mins, but not be on Killingsworth? Not being combative, I just didn't see the game. Did he get into early foul trouble and spend some time ont he bench? If so, that's what I think is likely to happen tonight.

 

killingsworth is a post player, tucker isn't. can he go inside? sure, but why put your best perimeter and mid-range defender on a post player, opening up shaun pruitt and marcus arnold for an even worse matchup?

 

no, tucker is the exact kind of player that randle matches up well against.

[Chocolate Milk]

Have they done it on the road? Killingsworth worked you guys on the road for 23 and 12.

 

against shaun pruitt.

 

How can Randle "always draws the opposing team's best offensive player," play 35 mins, but not be on Killingsworth? Not being combative, I just didn't see the game. Did he get into early foul trouble and spend some time ont he bench? If so, that's what I think is likely to happen tonight.

 

killingsworth is a post player, tucker isn't. can he go inside? sure, but why put your best perimeter and mid-range defender on a post player, opening up shaun pruitt and marcus arnold for an even worse matchup?

 

no, tucker is the exact kind of player that randle matches up well against.

 

Tucker isn't a post player? What? Tucker spends most of his time in the post and around the hoop.

[Magnetic Curses]

Have they done it on the road? Killingsworth worked you guys on the road for 23 and 12.

 

against shaun pruitt.

 

How can Randle "always draws the opposing team's best offensive player," play 35 mins, but not be on Killingsworth? Not being combative, I just didn't see the game. Did he get into early foul trouble and spend some time ont he bench? If so, that's what I think is likely to happen tonight.

 

killingsworth is a post player, tucker isn't. can he go inside? sure, but why put your best perimeter and mid-range defender on a post player, opening up shaun pruitt and marcus arnold for an even worse matchup?

 

no, tucker is the exact kind of player that randle matches up well against.

 

Tucker isn't a post player? What? Tucker spends most of his time in the post and around the hoop.

 

so, tucker is your prototypical back-to-the-basket player?

[Chocolate Milk]

Have they done it on the road? Killingsworth worked you guys on the road for 23 and 12.

 

against shaun pruitt.

 

How can Randle "always draws the opposing team's best offensive player," play 35 mins, but not be on Killingsworth? Not being combative, I just didn't see the game. Did he get into early foul trouble and spend some time ont he bench? If so, that's what I think is likely to happen tonight.

 

killingsworth is a post player, tucker isn't. can he go inside? sure, but why put your best perimeter and mid-range defender on a post player, opening up shaun pruitt and marcus arnold for an even worse matchup?

 

no, tucker is the exact kind of player that randle matches up well against.

 

Tucker isn't a post player? What? Tucker spends most of his time in the post and around the hoop.

 

so, tucker is your prototypical back-to-the-basket player?

 

I wouldn't say prototypical but he gets a majority of his points in the post. Have you ever watched Tucker play? Do you understand the swing offense? Why do you think Weber said he had to give Randle a "crash coruse" in post defense specifically to gaurd Tucker?

 

He may not be a prototypical post player, but he is absolutely not a perimiter player.

[Magnetic Curses]

from what i can tell, tucker is a mid-range player, a slasher who relies on his athletic ability to play inside and out. more of a 3, really, which is what randle excells against on the defensive end.

[Chocolate Milk]

from what i can tell, tucker is a mid-range player, a slasher who relies on his athletic ability to play inside and out. more of a 3, really, which is what randle excells against on the defensive end.

 

I guess we'll see tonight. It's my impression that Tucker plays more of a 4, which is why I thought he won't make it to the NBA becuse he's not a good size for what he's good at. Nixon, despite his greater size, plays more the role of the 3.

 

In Bo's swing offense, every position has to be able to post up when called upon.

 

If Randle is more of a perimter defender, as it seems, I think we'll see Tucker with his back to the hoop many times tonight.

Edited January 31, 2006 by Chocolate Milk

[Magnetic Curses]

Have they done it on the road? Killingsworth worked you guys on the road for 23 and 12.

 

against shaun pruitt.

 

How can Randle "always draws the opposing team's best offensive player," play 35 mins, but not be on Killingsworth? Not being combative, I just didn't see the game. Did he get into early foul trouble and spend some time ont he bench? If so, that's what I think is likely to happen tonight.

 

killingsworth is a post player, tucker isn't. can he go inside? sure, but why put your best perimeter and mid-range defender on a post player, opening up shaun pruitt and marcus arnold for an even worse matchup?

 

no, tucker is the exact kind of player that randle matches up well against.

 

Tucker isn't a post player? What? Tucker spends most of his time in the post and around the hoop.

 

so, tucker is your prototypical back-to-the-basket player?

 

I wouldn't say prototypical but he gets a majority of his points in the post. Have you ever watched Tucker play? Do you understand the swing offense? Why do you think Weber said he had to give Randle a "crash coruse" in post defense specifically to gaurd Tucker?

 

He may not be a prototypical post player, but he is absolutely not a perimiter player.

 

have i ever seen tucker play? i watched him play in high school, and i've watched him play in college. what kind of ridiculous, meant-to-be-insulting remark is that?

 

weber's a freaking goofball. his interviews are hilarious and he generally makes strange statements to members of the media.

 

tucker is absolutely NOT a back-to-the-basket player. he's not going to dazzle randle with any kevin mchale-box moves, and he's not going to match-up to the same player that killingsworth matched up with. they're different players.

[Magnetic Curses]

from what i can tell, tucker is a mid-range player, a slasher who relies on his athletic ability to play inside and out. more of a 3, really, which is what randle excells against on the defensive end.

 

I guess we'll see tonight. It's my impression that Tucker plays more of a 4, which is why I thought he won't make it to the NBA becuse he's not a good size for what he's good at. Nixon, despite his greater size, plays more the role of the 3.

 

In Bo's swing offense, every position has to be able to post up when called upon.

 

If Randle is more of a perimter defender, as it seems, I think we'll see Tucker with his back to the hoop many times tonight.

 

i know the swing-offense well, it's very similar to the offense that bill self initially recruited randle to play in. however, randle is more than athletic enough to get around tucker in the post or deny the high entry pass, tucker is simply not big enough to bully randle around on the blocks.

 

i have a feeling that tucker will be very frsutarted if he's not getting every single call.

[Chocolate Milk]

Have they done it on the road? Killingsworth worked you guys on the road for 23 and 12.

 

against shaun pruitt.

 

How can Randle "always draws the opposing team's best offensive player," play 35 mins, but not be on Killingsworth? Not being combative, I just didn't see the game. Did he get into early foul trouble and spend some time ont he bench? If so, that's what I think is likely to happen tonight.

 

killingsworth is a post player, tucker isn't. can he go inside? sure, but why put your best perimeter and mid-range defender on a post player, opening up shaun pruitt and marcus arnold for an even worse matchup?

 

no, tucker is the exact kind of player that randle matches up well against.

 

Tucker isn't a post player? What? Tucker spends most of his time in the post and around the hoop.

 

so, tucker is your prototypical back-to-the-basket player?

 

I wouldn't say prototypical but he gets a majority of his points in the post. Have you ever watched Tucker play? Do you understand the swing offense? Why do you think Weber said he had to give Randle a "crash coruse" in post defense specifically to gaurd Tucker?

 

He may not be a prototypical post player, but he is absolutely not a perimiter player.

 

have i ever seen tucker play? i watched him play in high school, and i've watched him play in college. what kind of ridiculous, meant-to-be-insulting remark is that?

 

weber's a freaking goofball. his interviews are hilarious and he generally makes strange statements to members of the media.

 

tucker is absolutely NOT a back-to-the-basket player. he's not going to dazzle randle with any kevin mchale-box moves, and he's not going to match-up to the same player that killingsworth matched up with. they're different players.

 

Wow, take it easy. No offense was meant. I've seen every single one of Tucker's college games and this is how his game appears to me. If it appears differently to you, then that's fine by me, I don't care.

 

I was asking if you'd seen him play much becaue I didn't know. If I didn't see him play much, judging by his size that would be my impression of him as well.

[Magnetic Curses]

Wow, take it easy. No offense was meant. I've seen every single one of Tucker's college games and this is how his game appears to me. If it appears differently to you, then that's fine by me, I don't care.

 

I was asking if you'd seen him play much becaue I didn't know. If I didn't see him play much, judging by his size that would be my impression of him as well.

 

it's a pet peeve of mine, that's all. i'm no definitive expert on college basketball, but i know enough about the BT, and wisco (being a current resident and all) to be offended when someone asks me that question.

 

tucker's just not a back-to-the-basket player. he's an inside-out guy, similar to roger powell, but with more skill and less power. he gets his points driving into the lane, shotting from mid-range, and exploiting mismatches down on the blocks. randle is not a mismatch.

 

i'm predicting 10 points from tucker tonight. if i'm wrong, i'll face up.

[Chocolate Milk]

Wow, take it easy. No offense was meant. I've seen every single one of Tucker's college games and this is how his game appears to me. If it appears differently to you, then that's fine by me, I don't care.

 

I was asking if you'd seen him play much becaue I didn't know. If I didn't see him play much, judging by his size that would be my impression of him as well.

 

it's a pet peeve of mine, that's all. i'm no definitive expert on college basketball, but i know enough about the BT, and wisco (being a current resident and all) to be offended when someone asks me that question.

 

tucker's just not a back-to-the-basket player. he's an inside-out guy, similar to roger powell, but with more skill and less power. he gets his points driving into the lane, shotting from mid-range, and exploiting mismatches down on the blocks. randle is not a mismatch.

 

i'm predicting 10 points from tucker tonight. if i'm wrong, i'll face up.

 

Sorry, if I came across snippy there. Wasn't my intent. I was just pumped about the game and wanted to talk some basketball.

 

I agree that he doesn't play excusively with his back to the basket but he does post up about as much as anyone else on the team. Then again, basketball isn't really my strong suit when it comes to sports. So I could be wrong.

 

10 points it is! If he scores under 20 then I'll come back and eat my crow as well. God, I hope it's not 10 points. That would be really really bad for Wisconsin's chances of winning.

[Magnetic Curses]

Wow, take it easy. No offense was meant. I've seen every single one of Tucker's college games and this is how his game appears to me. If it appears differently to you, then that's fine by me, I don't care.

 

I was asking if you'd seen him play much becaue I didn't know. If I didn't see him play much, judging by his size that would be my impression of him as well.

 

it's a pet peeve of mine, that's all. i'm no definitive expert on college basketball, but i know enough about the BT, and wisco (being a current resident and all) to be offended when someone asks me that question.

 

tucker's just not a back-to-the-basket player. he's an inside-out guy, similar to roger powell, but with more skill and less power. he gets his points driving into the lane, shotting from mid-range, and exploiting mismatches down on the blocks. randle is not a mismatch.

 

i'm predicting 10 points from tucker tonight. if i'm wrong, i'll face up.

 

Sorry, if I came across snippy there. Wasn't my intent. I was just pumped about the game and wanted to talk some basketball.

 

I agree that he doesn't play excusively with his back to the basket but he does post up about as much as anyone else on the team. Then again, basketball isn't really my strong suit when it comes to sports. So I could be wrong.

 

10 points it is! If he scores under 20 then I'll come back and eat my crow as well. God, I hope it's not 10 points. That would be really really bad for Wisconsin's chances of winning.

 

no problem, i understand why you asked it.

 

gentleman's wagers make everything more fun.

[badgercub]

Wow, take it easy. No offense was meant. I've seen every single one of Tucker's college games and this is how his game appears to me. If it appears differently to you, then that's fine by me, I don't care.

 

I was asking if you'd seen him play much becaue I didn't know. If I didn't see him play much, judging by his size that would be my impression of him as well.

 

it's a pet peeve of mine, that's all. i'm no definitive expert on college basketball, but i know enough about the BT, and wisco (being a current resident and all) to be offended when someone asks me that question.

 

tucker's just not a back-to-the-basket player. he's an inside-out guy, similar to roger powell, but with more skill and less power. he gets his points driving into the lane, shotting from mid-range, and exploiting mismatches down on the blocks. randle is not a mismatch.

 

i'm predicting 10 points from tucker tonight. if i'm wrong, i'll face up.

 

Sorry, if I came across snippy there. Wasn't my intent. I was just pumped about the game and wanted to talk some basketball.

 

I agree that he doesn't play excusively with his back to the basket but he does post up about as much as anyone else on the team. Then again, basketball isn't really my strong suit when it comes to sports. So I could be wrong.

 

10 points it is! If he scores under 20 then I'll come back and eat my crow as well. God, I hope it's not 10 points. That would be really really bad for Wisconsin's chances of winning.

 

no problem, i understand why you asked it.

 

gentleman's wagers make everything more fun.

 

Just to add my analysis, Tucker is a "post player" who can also slash and step outside. His greatest asset down low is his incredible strength for someone his size, his body control, and his jumping ability. These three things make it possible for him to score against bigger defenders and to draw a lot of fouls. If Randall does not allow an entry pass to Tucker down low, that is when he will step out and try to drive to the basket, or he is able to shoot the 3 (no matter how ugly it looks). Tucker really has no midrange game at all. It's either from 6 feet and in, or behind the 3 point line.

[Magnetic Curses]

Just to add my analysis, Tucker is a "post player" who can also slash and step outside. His greatest asset down low is his incredible strength for someone his size, his body control, and his jumping ability. These three things make it possible for him to score against bigger defenders and to draw a lot of fouls. If Randall does not allow an entry pass to Tucker down low, that is when he will step out and try to drive to the basket, or he is able to shoot the 3 (no matter how ugly it looks). Tucker really has no midrange game at all. It's either from 6 feet and in, or behind the 3 point line.

 

my point is that randle matches up very well with him.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Just to add my analysis, Tucker is a "post player" who can also slash and step outside. His greatest asset down low is his incredible strength for someone his size, his body control, and his jumping ability. These three things make it possible for him to score against bigger defenders and to draw a lot of fouls. If Randall does not allow an entry pass to Tucker down low, that is when he will step out and try to drive to the basket, or he is able to shoot the 3 (no matter how ugly it looks). Tucker really has no midrange game at all. It's either from 6 feet and in, or behind the 3 point line.

 

my point is that randle matches up very well with him.

 

Has Randle matched up with anyone that plays down low/posts up as much as Tucker? Randle is a fantastic perimeter defender(shutting down Ager and Gardner are two immediate examples, wonder why I thought of them...), but is his lean frame conducive to being able to stop a more experienced, more solidly built player like Tucker?

 

That said, Tucker isn't that great a scorer, like I pointed out earlier in this thread I believe. I think the difference you'll see tonight is heavily dependent on officiating. If Augustine plays a good portion of the game in foul trouble, then U of I is in a lot of trouble. If not, they have a good shot if Brown can find the net.

[badgercub]

Just to add my analysis, Tucker is a "post player" who can also slash and step outside. His greatest asset down low is his incredible strength for someone his size, his body control, and his jumping ability. These three things make it possible for him to score against bigger defenders and to draw a lot of fouls. If Randall does not allow an entry pass to Tucker down low, that is when he will step out and try to drive to the basket, or he is able to shoot the 3 (no matter how ugly it looks). Tucker really has no midrange game at all. It's either from 6 feet and in, or behind the 3 point line.

 

my point is that randle matches up very well with him.

 

I don't know much about Randall, I was just kinda giving my souting report on Tucker.lol But with Tucker's free throw shooting vastly improved the last few games since the mask came off, if he can get to the line you might see him score some points. All speculation and we'll find out tonight. I'll be sitting right behind Musburger and Lavin third row. I hope that Erin Andrews will be around!!!

[badgercub]

 

That said, Tucker isn't that great a scorer, like I pointed out earlier in this thread I believe. I think the difference you'll see tonight is heavily dependent on officiating. If Augustine plays a good portion of the game in foul trouble, then U of I is in a lot of trouble. If not, they have a good shot if Brown can find the net.

 

He is averaging over 20 a game in the Big Ten and gets to the line on a consistent basis why wouldn't you classify him as a scorer? As a John Wooden Player of the year candidate I would say he is a scorer. Just because he doesn't translate well to the NBA doesn't mean he isn't a scorer on the college level.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

That said, Tucker isn't that great a scorer, like I pointed out earlier in this thread I believe. I think the difference you'll see tonight is heavily dependent on officiating. If Augustine plays a good portion of the game in foul trouble, then U of I is in a lot of trouble. If not, they have a good shot if Brown can find the net.

 

He is averaging over 20 a game in the Big Ten and gets to the line on a consistent basis why wouldn't you classify him as a scorer? As a John Wooden Player of the year candidate I would say he is a scorer. Just because he doesn't translate well to the NBA doesn't mean he isn't a scorer on the college level.

 

Look back in the thread, Tucker isn't very efficient at all.

 

Tucker's effectiveFG% is 45%, 51st of 60 qualified Big 10 players. Only Krabbenhoft is worse on UW. He's 57th of 60 in PPWS, worst on his team.

 

 

Here's an update: In eFG%, he's now tied with Chappell for 2nd worst on the team, 49th of 61 in the conference. In PPWS, he's now in front of Krabbenhoft at second worst on the team(of players that play regularly), and 56th of 61 in the conference.

Edited January 31, 2006 by Transmogrified Tiger