Hendry is gonna regret giving up on Nomar..

[polosprt009]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm quite upset that Hendry gave up on Nomar. Personally I think Hendry's an idiot for it. Nomar would have easily played in the OF for the cubs and he also would have given the shirt off his back for his town. He made it clear that this is where he wanted to play. He was even building a house out here to start a family with Mia. Hendry just shut the door on him.

 

There's 2 reasons as to why I'm sure Hendry made the decision not to give Nomar arbitration, 1 being that he's very injury prone. The 2nd being that I'm sure they were banking on the fact that they were going to land Furcal. To me, both are asumptions and never should have been the reason to get rid of him. I can easily predict Nomar hitting a good .320 batting avg with over 20 HR's this next season. Why wouldn't the cubs want this?

 

To see Nomar possibly play for the Yankees or the 'stros, or any other team for that matter, truly puts a man tear in my eye. Anyone else feel the same?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Yes, but it appears as though I loved Nomar more than most...

[Mizzou]

I wanted to keep Nomar as well, but it's not fair to call Hendry an "idiot" for not bringing him back. He took a chance last year and gave Nomar a one year deal to prove he could stay healthy. He didn't stay healthy so Hendry moved on. It's pretty logical.

[polosprt009]

I wanted to keep Nomar as well, but it's not fair to call Hendry an "idiot" for not bringing him back. He took a chance last year and gave Nomar a one year deal to prove he could stay healthy. He didn't stay healthy so Hendry moved on. It's pretty logical.

 

I see what you're saying. About me calling Hendry an idiot, it's grown to become a habit using that phrase because I'm not been to big a fan of him lately.

[polosprt009]

Yes, but it appears as though I loved Nomar more than most...

 

You're not alone. I had quite some man love for the guy. The first game he played for the cubs was the first game I watched the cubs play in years (other then the 03 playoffs). The overall excitement I saw my friends sharing over that trade made me get back into baseball again. Now I live, eat, and breath cubby blue. Sucks to be losing the guy that sparked my interest in the game again.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Yes, but it appears as though I loved Nomar more than most...

 

You're not alone. I had quite some man love for the guy. The first game he played for the cubs was the first game I watched the cubs play in years (other then the 03 playoffs). The overall excitement I saw my friends sharing over that trade made me get back into baseball again. Now I live, eat, and breath cubby blue. Sucks to be losing the guy that sparked my interest in the game again.

::ahem::

[jmajew]

I wanted to keep Nomar as well, but it's not fair to call Hendry an "idiot" for not bringing him back. He took a chance last year and gave Nomar a one year deal to prove he could stay healthy. He didn't stay healthy so Hendry moved on. It's pretty logical.

 

I would not say it is logical. Nomar's groin tear last year was a freak injury. When he came back he was playing like his old self. Granted I don't think he can handle playing short more than three times a week but he still would have been a good fit for this Cubs team. Hendry should never have closed down all possibilities with Nomar.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2223720

 

There is no doubt he would have been solid in the Outfield this year for the Cubs. His OPS after he returned from his injury was right around .900. That is better than anything we would have been able to get in the free agent market. I think Hendry dropped the ball on this one. It seems to me that he was focusing on one thing all offseason, a leadoff hitter.

 

I am upset about this because I think by not giving Nomar arbitration we took away a very good option for this team. Hendry made a mistake and burnt all bridges with Nomar when he told him he needed to find a better fit. Now we are looking at Jacque Jones, Juan Encarnacion, and if we are lucky Reggie Sanders in Right. The Cubs could have resigned Nomar played him at short every once in a while but most of the time play him in right. If he stayed healthy for the first half of the season we coudl have traded for a new rightfielder and moved Nomar back to short if the offense needed a boost. A lineup with Nomar and Pierre would have looked pretty good to me.

 

Pierre

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Nomar

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

The logic to me would have been to keep all options open. I don't think Hendry did this.

Edited December 13, 2005 by jmajew

[Mizzou]

He took a chance once and got burned. I didn't expect him to take the exact same chance with the risk of getting burned again.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I wanted to keep Nomar as well, but it's not fair to call Hendry an "idiot" for not bringing him back. He took a chance last year and gave Nomar a one year deal to prove he could stay healthy. He didn't stay healthy so Hendry moved on. It's pretty logical.

 

I would not say it is logical. Nomar's groin tear last year was a freak injury. When he came back he was playing like his old self. Granted I don't think he can handle playing short more than three times a week but he still would have been a good fit for this Cubs team. Hendry should never have closed down all possibilities with Nomar.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2223720

 

There is no doubt he would have been solid in the Outfield this year for the Cubs. His OPS after he returned from his injury was right around .900. That is better than anything we would have been able to get in the free agent market. I think Hendry dropped the ball on this one. It seems to me that he was focusing on one thing all offseason, a leadoff hitter.

 

I am upset about this because I think by not giving Nomar arbitration we took away a very good option for this team. Hendry made a mistake and burnt all bridges with Nomar when he told him he needed to find a better fit. Now we are looking at Jacque Jones, Juan Encarnacion, and if we are lucky Reggie Sanders in Right. The Cubs could have resigned Nomar played him at once every once in a while but most of the time play him in right. If he stayed healthy for the first half of the season we coudl have traded for a new rightfielder and moved Nomar back to short if the offense needed a boost. A lineup with Nomar and Pierre would have looked pretty good to me.

 

Pierre

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Nomar

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

The logic to me would have been to keep all options open. I don't think Hendry did this.

 

Hendry either had to sign Nomar by December 7th, which wasn't going to happen, or offer him arbitration. Nomar would almost be guaranteed to accept since he wouldn't get an offer where he was virtually guaranteed his salary from last year anywhere else. Another year of Nomar at the same price, when it's unclear whether or not he's capable of SS, is not the gamble I would take last week. It's a logical decision on Hendry's part.

[jmajew]

He took a chance once and got burned. I didn't expect him to take the exact same chance with the risk of getting burned again.

 

I think last year Nomar was a bigger risk than this year. Last year when we resigned him he was coming off a cronic injury. Last year was just one fluke injury, which required a long recovery time because of surgery. I think the concern over Nomar's achilles is now gone.

[jmajew]

I wanted to keep Nomar as well, but it's not fair to call Hendry an "idiot" for not bringing him back. He took a chance last year and gave Nomar a one year deal to prove he could stay healthy. He didn't stay healthy so Hendry moved on. It's pretty logical.

 

I would not say it is logical. Nomar's groin tear last year was a freak injury. When he came back he was playing like his old self. Granted I don't think he can handle playing short more than three times a week but he still would have been a good fit for this Cubs team. Hendry should never have closed down all possibilities with Nomar.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2223720

 

There is no doubt he would have been solid in the Outfield this year for the Cubs. His OPS after he returned from his injury was right around .900. That is better than anything we would have been able to get in the free agent market. I think Hendry dropped the ball on this one. It seems to me that he was focusing on one thing all offseason, a leadoff hitter.

 

I am upset about this because I think by not giving Nomar arbitration we took away a very good option for this team. Hendry made a mistake and burnt all bridges with Nomar when he told him he needed to find a better fit. Now we are looking at Jacque Jones, Juan Encarnacion, and if we are lucky Reggie Sanders in Right. The Cubs could have resigned Nomar played him at once every once in a while but most of the time play him in right. If he stayed healthy for the first half of the season we coudl have traded for a new rightfielder and moved Nomar back to short if the offense needed a boost. A lineup with Nomar and Pierre would have looked pretty good to me.

 

Pierre

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Nomar

Barrett

Murton

Cedeno

 

The logic to me would have been to keep all options open. I don't think Hendry did this.

 

Hendry either had to sign Nomar by December 7th, which wasn't going to happen, or offer him arbitration. Nomar would almost be guaranteed to accept since he wouldn't get an offer where he was virtually guaranteed his salary from last year anywhere else. Another year of Nomar at the same price, when it's unclear whether or not he's capable of SS, is not the gamble I would take last week. It's a logical decision on Hendry's part.

 

To sign Nomar to play short would have been illogical. I believe it would have been logical to sign him to play RF, especially since there were no quality players out there to sign. Nomar at 9 mil for RF or Jacque Jones out there for 7 mil? I'd take the flier on Nomar because he has much more potential than Jones.

 

Out of curiousity if you offer someone arbitration can't you still sign him to a contract before the hearing?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Out of curiousity if you offer someone arbitration can't you still sign him to a contract before the hearing?

 

Of course, but since Nomar knows the worst that he can do in a hearing is near his old salary, you probably won't get much of a discount. One of MacPhail's prided points is that he has never gone to a hearing with a player.

[VVMattVV]

How was Nomar's injury last year a fluke injury? I consider Prior's multiple DL trips where he was in a collison (either with a player or a ball) to be flukes, but hurting yourself coming out of the batter's box? We all knew Nomar was battling injuries coming into the year. I think its pretty fair to say he's an injury prone guy.

[jmajew]

How was Nomar's injury last year a fluke injury? I consider Prior's multiple DL trips where he was in a collison (either with a player or a ball) to be flukes, but hurting yourself coming out of the batter's box? We all knew Nomar was battling injuries coming into the year. I think its pretty fair to say he's an injury prone guy.

 

I think it is a pretty common belief that tearing your groin running out of the batters box is a fluke injury.

 

CPatt...If the Cubs offered Nomar a deal of gauranteed 5 mil with 7 million in incentives you don't think he would have taken that over the gauranteed 9 mil? If he truly believes he is healthy I think he would have taken it. I know this is all speculation and we can't do anything about it. I just think we have no good options left for Right and I feel like we didn't give Nomar enough look at Right. I'm just talking out of frustration.

[The Voice of Reason]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm quite upset that Hendry gave up on Nomar. Personally I think Hendry's an idiot for it. Nomar would have easily played in the OF for the cubs and he also would have given the shirt off his back for his town. He made it clear that this is where he wanted to play. He was even building a house out here to start a family with Mia. Hendry just shut the door on him.

 

There's 2 reasons as to why I'm sure Hendry made the decision not to give Nomar arbitration, 1 being that he's very injury prone. The 2nd being that I'm sure they were banking on the fact that they were going to land Furcal. To me, both are asumptions and never should have been the reason to get rid of him. I can easily predict Nomar hitting a good .320 batting avg with over 20 HR's this next season. Why wouldn't the cubs want this?

To see Nomar possibly play for the Yankees or the 'stros, or any other team for that matter, truly puts a man tear in my eye. Anyone else feel the same?

 

Most of the teams considering signing Nomar would use him at 3B, LF or 1B (Not SS). The Cubs are covered in those positions wtih Aram, Murton and D. Lee. Convential wisdom says Nomar no longer has the range to play SS.

[ThePenguin11]

Wow, calling out the GM for being an idiot because he didn't resign an injury risk player who he lost money on last year? Let's not forget Nomar wasn't healthy for a consecutive week with the Cubs...And you're an on-and-off the bandwagon fan to begin with?

 

No comment.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How was Nomar's injury last year a fluke injury? I consider Prior's multiple DL trips where he was in a collison (either with a player or a ball) to be flukes, but hurting yourself coming out of the batter's box? We all knew Nomar was battling injuries coming into the year. I think its pretty fair to say he's an injury prone guy.

 

I think it is a pretty common belief that tearing your groin running out of the batters box is a fluke injury.

 

CPatt...If the Cubs offered Nomar a deal of gauranteed 5 mil with 7 million in incentives you don't think he would have taken that over the gauranteed 9 mil? If he truly believes he is healthy I think he would have taken it. I know this is all speculation and we can't do anything about it. I just think we have no good options left for Right and I feel like we didn't give Nomar enough look at Right. I'm just talking out of frustration.

 

No, I think the last 2 years would've proved to Nomar that the chance of 3 million more with incentives isn't worth risking 4 million more guaranteed.

[UMFan83]

How was Nomar's injury last year a fluke injury? I consider Prior's multiple DL trips where he was in a collison (either with a player or a ball) to be flukes, but hurting yourself coming out of the batter's box? We all knew Nomar was battling injuries coming into the year. I think its pretty fair to say he's an injury prone guy.

I think it is a pretty common belief that tearing your groin running out of the batters box is a fluke injury.

 

If that is true, what injury is not considered a fluke injury? He got injured doing baseball things.

 

If Kerry Wood throws a pitch and tears a ligament in his shoulder how is it any less of a fluke? Because it has happened before? Then is the first time it happened a fluke?

[polosprt009]

Wow, calling out the GM for being an idiot because he didn't resign an injury risk player who he lost money on last year? Let's not forget Nomar wasn't healthy for a consecutive week with the Cubs...And you're an on-and-off the bandwagon fan to begin with?

 

No comment.

 

First of all, I'm probably the 110th person to call Hendry an idiot on this board for choices he's made (and didn't make) in the recent past. While him not offering Nomar arbitration is a somewhat understandable move, I just don't agree with it. Second of all, an on again off again "bandwagon fan"? Excuse me? I watched baseball religiously as a kid and then picked up my interest again for the game in 2004. That makes me a bandwagon fan? Religiously watching the cubs again when they were a .500 team? hmm...

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Nomar's injury wasn't a fluke. the severity of his latest injury was unexpected, but it seems like his body is falling apart. he has had wrist, back, and groin problems that have caused him to miss significant time. that should tell us something. I really wish he could have been healthy. i loved watching a healthy Nomar. we can't go into next season making the same mistake (or taking the same risk) we did in 2005. our OF isn't going to be stacked. if it was, i'd definitely role the dice on nomar, but now we're in the same position hendry put us in last season, with an underwelming OF (unless there is the miracle acquisition of Abreu or someone of that caliber) and relying on the MIF for offensive production.

[jmajew]

How was Nomar's injury last year a fluke injury? I consider Prior's multiple DL trips where he was in a collison (either with a player or a ball) to be flukes, but hurting yourself coming out of the batter's box? We all knew Nomar was battling injuries coming into the year. I think its pretty fair to say he's an injury prone guy.

I think it is a pretty common belief that tearing your groin running out of the batters box is a fluke injury.

 

If that is true, what injury is not considered a fluke injury? He got injured doing baseball things.

 

If Kerry Wood throws a pitch and tears a ligament in his shoulder how is it any less of a fluke? Because it has happened before? Then is the first time it happened a fluke?

 

Kerry Wood has had shoulder problems a few years in a row. It has been the same part of his body. With Nomar he has broken his wrist, had achilles problems, and torn his groin. None of those are related to one another.

 

I know this is off topic but I"m going to use Rex Grossman as another example of a player who has had a bunch of fluke injuries in a row. IN 2003 he broke his finger, he could have played through it but management didn't want him to. In 2004 he tore his ACL, and this year he broke his ankle. I consider all of those fluke injuries. Chad Pennington on the other hand has had a chronic injury, his throwing shoulder, thus making one to believe it will never be healthy. Football is on my mind now so i'm just using those kinds of examples.

 

If you want a baseball injury Ken Griffey Jr. has had a chronic injury. He has hurt his hamstring like the past 5 years in a row.

 

I hope you see where I am going with this.

[back2backjax]

listening to some of you complain about nomar is making me want to wax my tongue. you make it sound as though nomar is a gold golve rightfielder. last time i checked, he was barely above average at his natural position (SS) and had never played the outfield. so the answer is to give him baptism by fire? nice.

 

if you want to make an argument for keeping him, it should be to have played him at 2B, next to cedeno at SS. but then you'd have to trade walker and if nomar goes down, you're looking at neifi at 2B, which i'm sure would thrill most everyone on the board.

 

let's move on from the nomar thing. it's history.

[jmajew]

Nomar's injury wasn't a fluke. the severity of his latest injury was unexpected, but it seems like his body is falling apart. he has had wrist, back, and groin problems that have caused him to miss significant time. that should tell us something. I really wish he could have been healthy. i loved watching a healthy Nomar. we can't go into next season making the same mistake (or taking the same risk) we did in 2005. our OF isn't going to be stacked. if it was, i'd definitely role the dice on nomar, but now we're in the same position hendry put us in last season, with an underwelming OF (unless there is the miracle acquisition of Abreu or someone of that caliber) and relying on the MIF for offensive production.

 

If you are talking about making the same mistake of taking a risk on an injury prone player why has everyone on this site been talking about Milton Bradley being a savior for the Cubs. (i know he was just traded to the As) He has only played more than 101 games in his career once. So i dont' see how he would have been much of a different risk than Nomar. But I understand what you are saying about the Hendry not wanting to taking a chance on Nomar but I think the same should have gone for Bradley.

[UMFan83]

How was Nomar's injury last year a fluke injury? I consider Prior's multiple DL trips where he was in a collison (either with a player or a ball) to be flukes, but hurting yourself coming out of the batter's box? We all knew Nomar was battling injuries coming into the year. I think its pretty fair to say he's an injury prone guy.

I think it is a pretty common belief that tearing your groin running out of the batters box is a fluke injury.

 

If that is true, what injury is not considered a fluke injury? He got injured doing baseball things.

 

If Kerry Wood throws a pitch and tears a ligament in his shoulder how is it any less of a fluke? Because it has happened before? Then is the first time it happened a fluke?

Kerry Wood has had shoulder problems a few years in a row. It has been the same part of his body.

 

When Kerry Wood injured his shoulder the first time was it a fluke? That's all I'm saying. Even more the reason to consider him an injury prone risk that he has injured multiple parts of his body during his career, leaving him at a huge risk of reinjuring something over the course of a year.

[ThePenguin11]

Wow, calling out the GM for being an idiot because he didn't resign an injury risk player who he lost money on last year? Let's not forget Nomar wasn't healthy for a consecutive week with the Cubs...And you're an on-and-off the bandwagon fan to begin with?

 

No comment.

 

First of all, I'm probably the 110th person to call Hendry an idiot on this board for choices he's made (and didn't make) in the recent past. While him not offering Nomar arbitration is a somewhat understandable move, I just don't agree with it. Second of all, an on again off again "bandwagon fan"? Excuse me? I watched baseball religiously as a kid and then picked up my interest again for the game in 2004. That makes me a bandwagon fan? Religiously watching the cubs again when they were a .500 team? hmm...

 

The first game he played for the cubs was the first game I watched the cubs play in years (other then the 03 playoffs).

 

So you started watching when they started winning, literally. You might even say you 'jumped on board' after the regular season in 2003 to 'ride' the success happening in the '03 playoffs. Sounds like a bandwagon jumper to me. There were plenty of reasons to be a Cub fan before Nomar joined this team. Go ahead and jump off if Nomar's the reason you're watching. But if you're truly a fan of this team, don't let that be why you're upset with Hendry. I'm one of his biggest supporters, but at the same time, I can understand when the Hendry-haters say he made a bad move by not acquiring a better CF, or for feeling the need to trade Todd Walker. Nomar made $8 Million last year and more the year before, and couldn't stay healthy for consecutive weeks. He had his chance. You can only invest so much for a guy like that. I'd be very willing to bet that Hendry offered him a token low-dollar, one-year offer to stay and that's probably when he and Nomar 'agreed to let him pursue other opportunities'.