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    We've discussed this as a remote but fascinating possibility all winter. Now that it's mid-January, those vague possibilities are taking on more definite forms. Alex Bregman and the Chicago Cubs could end up turning to one another in a moment of need as the endgame of the offseason sets in, according to 670 The Score's Bruce Levine

    The specific structure that Levine mentions is a three-year deal with opt-outs after each season, akin to the deals signed by Matt Chapman and Cody Bellinger last winter, and by Carlos Correa prior to the 2022 season. The Cubs aren't interested in a long-term Bregman commitment, Levine reported, but would be open to some version of this deal. They're just one of a handful of places where Bregman might land if he fully embraces the idea of such a contract, and there's still no guarantee that he will end up doing so, but you can start to see how this would work.

    Bregman could play second base very early in the season, with Nico Hoerner (perhaps) still recovering from his offseason forearm surgery. He and Matt Shaw would cover for Hoerner as needed, and the Cubs would also be relieved of their dependence on the risky proposition of handing the rookie Shaw a full-time gig right away. Bregman's skill set is well-rounded, and he'd fit gorgeously between Kyle Tucker and Michael Busch in the lineup. All that is easy to grasp.

    There are some complications, though. Doing this might require the team to move money from elsewhere on the roster, in order to make room for the expensive, high-ceiling pitching help they still need. Bregman is unlikely to sign for an AAV even as low as Bellinger's $26.7 million, so there would be wrinkles to smooth out even if this came to fruition. Nonetheless, it's an enticing option.

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    Jason Ross

    Posted

    9 minutes ago, Stratos said:

    You're probably right, but as of right now he doesn't have much experience there compared to the other positions.

    Matt Shaw played SS mostly exclusively at Maryland. Since being drafted by the Cubs he's played 34 games at 2b, for a total of 298.1 IP. Compare this to 67 games at 3b, or good for 580.1 IP. 

    It would be incorrect to suggest that Matt Shaw has played more 2b. In fact, he's played 3b almost 2x more than 2b over the last two years. With playing SS in college (mostly) he's not an experienced second baseman by trade. It may be true that he's just better at second, but his experience at the position is pretty limited.

    Rcal10

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Bertz said:

    I would suspect that if Bregman doesn't happen the team will add three more players:

    - A bench player of substance, someone like Mark Canha or Jose Iglesias

    - Possibly a lesser bench player, someone like Ty France.  This guy would have a tenuous grasp on a roster spot, essentially a placeholder for the first prospect to be ready.  They could simply keep Brujan or Canario for this role

    - A pitcher making some money.  I suspect a trade.  Someone like Jordan Montgomery or Robert Suarez, where we trade some pitching depth and they kick in some money.  It could be a free agent like David Robertson.  It could be someone like Kendall Gravemen or Brooks Raley who will open the year on the IL (and thus not contribute to the roster crunch)

    That probably isn't $20M, but it is likely at least $15M.  

    I would be shocked if it was 2 bats and a pitcher added. I hope you are right, but I doubt it. For one, they don’t need another pitcher. They signed Rea. I think he is the guy. And their pen is set with back ups as well. Maybe 2 bats, but to me that is a stretch. BTW, I don’t like Rea as the guy, but I don’t see the Dbacks buying enough Montgomery’s contract to make a trade work, and unless Peller gets reasonable they aren’t t getting Cease or King. Again, I hope I am wrong and you are right. 

    Stratos

    Posted

    Here's an interview with Shaw from a few days ago discussing his preference for 3B over 2B:

     

    NorthsideAvenger

    Posted

    Ngl, I kind of want Bregman to sign today, regardless of team, just to take a piss on NFL's special day.

    Rcal10

    Posted

    36 minutes ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

    Ngl, I kind of want Bregman to sign today, regardless of team, just to take a piss on NFL's special day.

    To be fair, except for the city he goes to, it won’t even be a story today, compared to the Super Bowl coverage that is going on today. I also doubt he will sign today because he probably wants to be the big story if the day. That will not be the case today. 

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    jersey cubs fan

    Posted (edited)

    1 hour ago, NorthsideAvenger said:

    Ngl, I kind of want Bregman to sign today, regardless of team, just to take a piss on NFL's special day.

    Somebody signing Bregman won’t even register on the Richter scale outside of the market that signs him and will be forgotten before the pregame shows start 

    Edited by jersey cubs fan
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    Dfan25

    Posted

    This is from a couple of days ago , but Feisand doesn’t mention the Cubs as a team in on Bregman :

     

    The Blue Jays, Tigers and Red Sox still seem to be in play to varying degrees, but unlike some of Scott Boras’ other clients, Bregman appears to have no desire to sign a short-term deal with opt outs. 

     

    Maybe they decided it wasn’t worth it and stop pursuing him ?

    Rcal10

    Posted

    15 minutes ago, Dfan25 said:

    This is from a couple of days ago , but Feisand doesn’t mention the Cubs as a team in on Bregman :

     

    The Blue Jays, Tigers and Red Sox still seem to be in play to varying degrees, but unlike some of Scott Boras’ other clients, Bregman appears to have no desire to sign a short-term deal with opt outs. 

     

    Maybe they decided it wasn’t worth it and stop pursuing him ?

    🤷 I would be fine if they made that decision. But then sign a bench bat or two and leave open a possibility then padres get reasonable about either King or Cease. 

    NorthsideAvenger

    Posted

    1 hour ago, jersey cubs fan said:

    Somebody signing Bregman won’t even register on the Richter scale outside of the market that signs him and will be forgotten before the pregame shows start 

    I know it would need to be someone like Ohtani before it would annoyed the Not Fun League.

    chibears55

    Posted

    4 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

    To be fair, except for the city he goes to, it won’t even be a story today, compared to the Super Bowl coverage that is going on today. I also doubt he will sign today because he probably wants to be the big story if the day. That will not be the case today. 

    He gonna sign on Friday when the rest of Cubs players are to report..

    It'll Be Valentine Day so the headlines will be special ❤️😅

    Andy

    Posted

    On 2/8/2025 at 2:51 PM, chibears55 said:

    Kind of a double edge sword for owners too.

    Yeah they get compensated for losing a FA if they offer it, but it also makes it hard to want to sign a QO FA if it going to cost them a bit of their future.

    These small/mid market teams rely alot on the draft to try and stay somewhat competitive 

    It's not a double edged sword for owners. Attaching the penalties means they can justify not offering those free agents as much money under the guise of "protecting the future." There's a reason they want it and players don't.

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    Stratos

    Posted

    Hoyer, Counsell speak:

    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/02/jed-hoyer-craig-counsell-discuss-cubs-third-base-plans.html

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    “Unclear,” Hoyer said when asked if another major move was coming before Opening Day. “I think you always look for opportunity, but right now we’re going to focus on the guys we have in camp. That’s the plan.”

    Quote

    Counsell told reporters (including Jordan Bastian of MLB.com) that Shaw’s focus is on third base this spring when asked if Shaw could spend some time at second base this spring to make him an option at the keystone should Hoerner begin the season on the IL.

     

    Stratos

    Posted

    Matt Shaw looking a little stiff (and wearing a sports bra - anyone know what this is?) while taking grounders at 3B in AZ the other day:

     

    Transmogrified Tiger

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Stratos said:

    Matt Shaw looking a little stiff (and wearing a sports bra - anyone know what this is?) while taking grounders at 3B in AZ the other day:

     

    It's a harness for a device that tracks various fitness details(like a more advanced smartwatch), you see it very commonly in soccer(even during games under the jersey) and possibly other sports as well.

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    CubinNY

    Posted

    I read an article that said Bergman only got one long term offer with the Blue Jays. I’m guessing that they are trying to gin up some interest 

    cl smooth

    Posted

    12 hours ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

    It's a harness for a device that tracks various fitness details(like a more advanced smartwatch), you see it very commonly in soccer(even during games under the jersey) and possibly other sports as well.

    i was talking to someone about this last night during a super bowl party. they're called "wearables" and, like you said, they are used in just about all sports. they're used in baseball to gather data about how quickly a defender gets to a fielded ball, how long it takes for a pitcher to deliver a baseball, etc. fascinating stuff. 

    chibears55

    Posted

    1 hour ago, CubinNY said:

    I read an article that said Bergman only got one long term offer with the Blue Jays. I’m guessing that they are trying to gin up some interest 

    “The Detroit Tigers, Boston Red Sox and the Houston Astros have all made offers of at least four years to Bregman, but no one has been willing to meet his asking price.”

    - @BNightengale who says the Cubs have been unwilling to go over three years.

    Lol, Hoyer like, if you wanna play here it'll be on our term 

    Rcal10

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

    “The Detroit Tigers, Boston Red Sox and the Houston Astros have all made offers of at least four years to Bregman, but no one has been willing to meet his asking price.”

    - @BNightengale who says the Cubs have been unwilling to go over three years.

    Lol, Hoyer like, if you wanna play here it'll be on our term 

    And that is exactly how he should go about it. But make the annual the highest. I have no issues with this. Just wish he would made up his mind. 

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    Dfan25

    Posted

    This is from Levine’s latest article :

     

    Bregman has been seeking a six-year or seven-year deal, but the average annual value of the deal is just as important to him as the total value and length of it, sources said,

     

    I think it’s going to be very interesting to see what is more important to him, if no one gives him what he wants . Is it AAV or years ?

     

    With that said if the Cubs aren’t willing to do 4 years , I don’t think they will get him .  We have conflicting reports on that front . Some are saying the Cubs offered 4 and Nightendale is saying they would do 3 max .

    Transmogrified Tiger

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

    I don't know who or what BVM sports is but they are reporting the Cubs are no longer pursing Bregman

    https://bvmsports.com/2025/02/10/alex-bregmans-free-agency-twist-cubs-withdraw-astros-offer-160m/#:~:text=The Cubs are no longer,Jays%2C remain in on Bregman.

     

    They're referring to a 'Total Pro Sports' post that used Jed's quotes from his news conference as proof that they were done with Bregman, so safe to assume there's no actual news one way or the other.

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    Stratos

    Posted

    1 hour ago, CubinNY said:

    I don't know who or what BVM sports is but they are reporting the Cubs are no longer pursing Bregman

    https://bvmsports.com/2025/02/10/alex-bregmans-free-agency-twist-cubs-withdraw-astros-offer-160m/#:~:text=The Cubs are no longer,Jays%2C remain in on Bregman.

     

    This seems based on Jeds comments at the press conference yesterday.  It's inaccurate. They're focused on players in camp now but that doesn't mean they're out on anyone.  Jed wouldn't comment about any remaining free agents and said the offseason in recent years has become longer.

    Bull

    Posted (edited)

    Let’s get some folks on the record before the contract comes out. 
     

    1. what is a fair contract?

    2. what numbers represent “overpay” (give me 3,4,5, and 6 year contracts)?

    3. What will the contract ultimately be?

    Edited by Bull
    Rcal10

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Stratos said:

    This seems based on Jeds comments at the press conference yesterday.  It's inaccurate. They're focused on players in camp now but that doesn't mean they're out on anyone.  Jed wouldn't comment about any remaining free agents and said the offseason in recent years has become longer.

    I really wish Bregman would just decide so the Cubs can go about the rest of the off season. I honestly think they are a far better team not signing him but then using that money elsewhere. Maybe they do overpay for Cease. I don’t really like the idea but I have to admit they would be very good this year. Maybe Assad or Wicks and then Cassie and either Canario or a young minor leaguer gets it done. Then sign a few bench bats. If that doesn’t get Cease, maybe it gets King. Either would work. Or maybe Seattle offers Kirby or Gilbert up. But they would cost more because they come with control. If the Cubs did get a starter to break up Steele and Imanaga they would have a very nice rotation. Pen appears solid and their everyday line up is good. Clear favorite in the central and a real threat in the playoffs. Other pitchers what could work would be Ober, Ryan, or Lopez of the Twins. I think spending that money on a rotation piece is more valuable than spending it on Bregman, especially if they then have to trade Nico. 




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